[mieu]

Because I suck at this! Put on your readin' glasses.

Today I had a lengthy and candid conversation with a team lead regarding someone who joined the team in the beginning of the year. The team lead I was conversing with is a heavy Fe user, but I'm quite sure he is an NF of some sort. I'm a Ne/Ni user (jury's out because I only have a little Inny and I can't tell if I have a Pness or not, but that's another topic). So this guy and I are pretty much on the same wavelength as to our experiences with the new guy. We like him, at least I do, and he is in no way malicious or anything. He's one of the nicest guys I've worked with and is very collaborative and a team player at heart, there just seem to be huge gaps in communication that have slowed down projects and resolutions to issues, such that we are looking for ways to work on it with him. I've actually been transitioning my work to him, so being able to effectively teach concepts is crucial and has never been something that I've had much trouble doing until this new guy.

Highlights:
- Obviously quite intelligent and well-spoken, quite insightful on a wide array of topics
- When he talks, it's in earnest and as if his brain moves faster than his mouth can keep up, speech often comes to a stumbling halt while he gathers thoughts in a way that he can articulate them. It's such an emotive thing that I literally get an impression of him getting tangled up in thoughts and words.
- Not sure if extravert or good at hiding introversion, loves to talk at length about the work--much longer than is needed--I often find that the conversation wraps up only for me to realize later that very little understanding was reached between the two of us.
- Very demonstrative in communication style, loves to talk-out concepts in very, very granular detail (for example explicitly spelling out things that I would have considered implied). He seems to be doing it more for his own sake (as if recitation of concepts at a very granular level were necessary for him to understand and commit to memory) than mine.
- Has a need to know all possibilities around a scenario in the finest, most precise detail possible, but it seems that in the process of committing those things to memory he doesn't also memorize the connections and processes that give rise to it, which ends up leaving gaps in understanding.
- In learning new concepts, he is so concerned with all those specific possibilities that we end up getting very far from the overarching concept (towards scenarios that are less relevant or unlikely) and having to double back over a 15-minute tangent to resume talking about the parent concept. Often gives rise to the feeling of 'slow down, you're missing the point.' Like he seizes on a concept and runs off with it. I'm fine with that, I like to impart knowledge, but it concerns my manager when he sees the guy spending an hour and a half at my desk discussing the same thing with a fine-toothed comb when I'm needed for other things.
- After all the time spent discussing all these infinitesimal possibilities, I find that he seems to just aggregate them up to a solution--often based on my suggestion of 'best fit'--but either completely dismisses or forgets a few conditionals needed for that conclusion.

For example, we were presented with a small defect in an application. The business partner requested that we give them a particular solution, being the subject matter expert, I knew that that solution would have some unintended consequences for the users. My coworker is technically the person who is supposed to interface with the business partner, so I expressed to him all the different solutions and their implications (as he is wont to do), but in an effort to wrap up the way-too-long conversation I summed it up with what I thought intuitively would best suit their needs and would also be the most feasible. We absolutely need the business to explicitly sign off on changes so that they don't come back to us a week later and tell us to change it again because they didn't understand it fully the first time around, so I expected him to go back to the business partner with this knowledge and talk it through with them so that they could make an informed decision. After discussing this with him for an hour in great detail, he just took my insight literally and communicated an effective 'yes' back to the business partner without laying out the implications of their requested solution.

In the end, he spends an exorbitant amount of time on specific details and possibilities ends up being 'unprepared' in terms of general knowledge of a concept when it comes to being crunch time. I have for a long time worried that I failed in my duty of effectively teaching him the concepts he needed in order to succeed, but my manager (and coworkers that I've transitioned work to in the past) keep telling me that it's him, not me. In a strange way I'm acutely aware of the communication gap, and feel a bit of empathy for him because I worry that he knows he is misunderstood.

There's a lot of Te, and maybe a bit of Pness, and what seems like Si or Ne...that's where I'm really torn. I don't know much about his personal life or what his value system looks like, so that's not helping me.

TLDR, just spit out four letters because your guess will likely be better than mine.

[Moxiie]

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	- Obviously quite intelligent and well-spoken, quite insightful on a wide array of topics

Could be any type, but ExTx can exhibit this.

	Originally Posted by mieu To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	- When he talks, it's in earnest and as if his brain moves faster than his mouth can keep up, speech often comes to a stumbling halt while he gathers thoughts in a way that he can articulate them. It's such an emotive thing that I literally get an impression of him getting tangled up in thoughts and words.

this sounds like an ENP personality trait to me. Ne sometimes moves faster than our mouths can track it. We also at time can speak very haltingly, as if we are working out the logic as we speak. this is true for ENTP's and ENFP's at times. With ENTP's it's Ti at work, trying to figure out what the hell the thought process is in the very best words. With ENFP's it's Fi trying to figure out how to articulate a value.

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	- Not sure if extravert or good at hiding introversion, loves to talk at length about the work--much longer than is needed--I often find that the conversation wraps up only for me to realize later that very little understanding was reached between the two of us.

Hmmmm. This is a perplexing one.

	Originally Posted by mieu To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	- Very demonstrative in communication style, loves to talk-out concepts in very, very granular detail (for example explicitly spelling out things that I would have considered implied). He seems to be doing it more for his own sake (as if recitation of concepts at a very granular level were necessary for him to understand and commit to memory) than mine.

This strikes me as Ti/Fe again

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	- Has a need to know all possibilities around a scenario in the finest, most precise detail possible, but it seems that in the process of committing those things to memory he doesn't also memorize the connections and processes that give rise to it, which ends up leaving gaps in understanding.

This strikes me as an Se/Ti trait

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- In learning new concepts, he is so concerned with all those specific possibilities that we end up getting very far from the overarching concept (towards scenarios that are less relevant or unlikely) and having to double back over a 15-minute tangent to resume talking about the parent concept. Often gives rise to the feeling of 'slow down, you're missing the point.' Like he seizes on a concept and runs off with it. I'm fine with that, I like to impart knowledge, but it concerns my manager when he sees the guy spending an hour and a half at my desk discussing the same thing with a fine-toothed comb when I'm needed for other things.

Seizing a concept and running with it can be a very strong Ne trait. Again, the fine tooth comb strikes me as Ti.

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	- After all the time spent discussing all these infinitesimal possibilities, I find that he seems to just aggregate them up to a solution--often based on my suggestion of 'best fit'--but either completely dismisses or forgets a few conditionals needed for that conclusion.

Hmmmm. Not sure.

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In the end, he spends an exorbitant amount of time on specific details and possibilities ends up being 'unprepared' in terms of general knowledge of a concept when it comes to being crunch time. I have for a long time worried that I failed in my duty of effectively teaching him the concepts he needed in order to succeed, but my manager (and coworkers that I've transitioned work to in the past) keep telling me that it's him, not me. In a strange way I'm acutely aware of the communication gap, and feel a bit of empathy for him because I worry that he knows he is misunderstood.

This guy strikes me as an ENTP or ESTP.

here is a description of Ti - does it sort of sound like his thought process?

Introverted Thinking often involves finding just the right word to clearly express an idea concisely, crisply, and to the point. Using introverted Thinking is like having an internal sense of the essential qualities of something, noticing the fine distinctions that make it what it is and then naming it. It also involves an internal reasoning process of deriving subcategories of classes and sub-principles of general principles. These can then be used in problem solving, analysis, and refining of a product or an idea. This process is evidenced in behaviors like taking things or ideas apart to figure out how they work. The analysis involves looking at different sides of an issue and seeing where there is inconsistency. In so doing, we search for a "leverage point" that will fix problems with the least amount of effort or damage to the system. We engage in this process when we notice logical inconsistencies between statements and frameworks, using a model to evaluate the likely accuracy of what's observed.

{sorry about the WALL O' TEXT}

[Distance]

He sounds either ESTP or ENTP.

[aworldapart]

Being so talkative and speaking before thinking gives me an E type impression.

S types are detail-oriented, and the fact that he still doesn't understand the concepts after going over so many details tells me he's S.

He seems T oriented.

Being insightful on alot of topics, unprepared during crunchtime, and seemly disorganized when it comes to sorting out all the details into conclusions, leads me toward P.

ESTP

[catatonic]

I dunno but he doesn't seem as a "T" for me.
ExFP, I guess.

[Distance]

If he's an F, you'd know quite a bit of his value system without needing to know his home life, since what he sources from would become evident.

[aworldapart]

	Originally Posted by Distance To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	If he's an F, you'd know quite a bit of his value system without needing to know his home life, since what he sources from would become evident.

I agree. He seemed to be really involved with non stop work talk, and doesn't seem to pick up on people cues (You're talking too much)

[catatonic]

I have an ISFP friend who has career as a programmer.
He always talk with very long long long long words, once he wrote almost 10 pages only to describe 1 point, he does always try to show that he's a "T" with great deep logical thoughts, but it's all rather to be pointless and always makes others feel dizzy with what kind of sorcery is he trying to say.

Is that because of the P or he's an F who try to be T ?


PS : I agree about the values system, but my friend tends to hide it after he understand about MBTI, because he doesn't want to look like an F (he was so into the values before).

[Ender]

	Originally Posted by mieu To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	TLDR, just spit out four letters because your guess will likely be better than mine.

ESFJ.

[mieu]

Woohoo, thank you for all your replies and for taking the time to read my monster post (Even you, Ender
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). A lot of you seem to have a consensus on either ENTP or ESTP. I agree that it would be very difficult to label him an F because of a lack of overt exercising of beliefs, but I wasn't too sure because I'm not a feeler myself and I don't go around asking people about their personal lives, nor do I share mine, so 'not knowing anything about their personal values' is something I suffer with just about everyone on my team.
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I guess I was confusing Te and Ti, so thanks for that, I didn't think that Ti would be so externally evident in grinding out concepts verbally. It harkens back to my original questions as to whether or not I am more P than J. Even with the thick fog of thoughts and how easily I can lose myself in them, I don't really have a problem articulating them to others (but there are more reasons for P than J, still, so I digress).

It's very difficult for me to tell if he's an N or S user. I live with a very strong Se user, so I'm familiar with how to organize thoughts in order to communicate with him. My co-worker originally struck me as being an N, but I've never had as much trouble communicating with another intuitive. Perhaps he's on the border of N and S? I scored ENTP on the MBTI throughout high school, and I can definitely appreciate (and almost empathize) with the guy and his quirkiness, but the communication gap is unreal!

I feel like he understands the concepts the way that I explain them...until I watch him trying to put them into practice!

[Paul Siraisi]

I don't think he's necessarily an E. I think struggling with words is I'ish. Clearly Te. Focusing on the details while missing a bigger picture would be classic Si.

ISTJ.

[mieu]

	Originally Posted by Paul Siraisi To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I don't think he's necessarily an E. I think struggling with words is I'ish. Clearly Te. Focusing on the details while missing a bigger picture would be classic Si. ISTJ.

This was my first guess last night when I was thinking about it on the way home from work...but I got into the Si/Ne spiral and realized that I don't know what the fuck I'm doing.

[Ender]

Well here's the thing. Assuming you use Te (and you do sound like an NTJ by the way, to me) I don't see how he would misunderstand what you're saying on such an extreme level if he had Te as a main function. More likely, he would do some kind of check, "Oh, you mean A to the B to the C?" Or a test of some kind.. something fairly obvious.

IxTx does not make sense to me considering the inordinate amount of time he spends talking to you. I'm certain he's not an NJ, or he would grasp what you're saying much more obviously.

Which leaves E.S.(T/F).(P/J).

But again, don't think Ni is even existent in his functions, so that gets rid of ESFP and ESTP. Don't think Te is present, so that gets rid of ESTJ. And the winner is... ESFJ. The possibility of which doesn't make total sense to me, but if I compare how you described the guy to the ESFJs I know, it could make a lot of sense for various reasons, such as:

1) As an Ni user, I've noticed that I can easily think I've described something in the clearest of terms to ESFJs and realize later, or even minutes after, that I wasn't clear at all.
2) Due to their love of tradition, male ESFJs - especially at work - may not show much indication of values/feelings due to wanting to fill the classic masculine role.
3) Setting aside Fe for a combination of Si and Ne could, I think, show itself as someone babbling on forever. Hell, some of it could even be Fe if he's very passionate about the topic.

[aworldapart]

give him the personality test and tell us his results

[mieu]

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Well here's the thing. Assuming you use Te (and you do sound like an NTJ by the way, to me) I don't see how he would misunderstand what you're saying on such an extreme level if he had Te as a main function. More likely, he would do some kind of check, "Oh, you mean A to the B to the C?" Or a test of some kind.. something fairly obvious. IxTx does not make sense to me considering the inordinate amount of time he spends talking to you. I'm certain he's not an NJ, or he would grasp what you're saying much more obviously. Which leaves E.S.(T/F).(P/J). But again, don't think Ni is even existent in his functions, so that gets rid of ESFP and ESTP. Don't think Te is present, so that gets rid of ESTJ. And the winner is... ESFJ. The possibility of which doesn't make total sense to me, but if I compare how you described the guy to the ESFJs I know, it could make a lot of sense for various reasons, such as: 1) As an Ni user, I've noticed that I can easily think I've described something in the clearest of terms to ESFJs and realize later, or even minutes after, that I wasn't clear at all. 2) Due to their love of tradition, male ESFJs - especially at work - may not show much indication of values/feelings due to wanting to fill the classic masculine role. 3) Setting aside Fe for a combination of Si and Ne could, I think, show itself as someone babbling on forever. Hell, some of it could even be Fe if he's very passionate about the topic.

Thanks again. The weirdest part is that I think he is definitely capable of grasping the concepts, but the missed connections between them are the problem. He often calls me some hours later with a revelation and I'm thinking to myself 'Yes, I definitely pointed that out during our last discussion' and I'm thinking he promptly forgot it after I told him (to be fair, I'm cramming a lot of info into his brain) then reinvented the wheel himself. The problem isn't that he can't grasp the concepts, but that it takes him a long time to get there because the way that I'm explaining them to him just isn't *clicking* with him.

Another funny thing is that even though he is spending a long time talking to me about stuff, there will often be these random long pauses where I've finished saying something and he just doesn't say anything. I literally can't tell if he's processing what I've said or what, because he keeps looking at me like he's expecting me to say something else (though I can't tell if that's what his body language is because my 'Mieu, I think you're being awkward, say something' internal alarm starts going off). I usually say something like '...does that answer your question?' and half the time he's like 'Yes, but <logical leap to next topic oh god we're still talking>' and the other half he's like 'yep.' Such a weird exchange! He talks a mile a minute, but then needs these huge pauses in conversation.

Also, I'm married to a male ESFx and I can tell you that they are so different it's not even funny xD. My experience is with a sensor-feeler which is why I didn't discount the possibility that my co-worker might be a sensor-thinker because I honestly have no clear-cut examples of this among people that I know (other than my mom who is an ISTP but who has mood disorders and thus a poor example for a layperson like me to analyze).

	Originally Posted by aworldapart To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	give him the personality test and tell us his results

I'm not close enough to him to feel comfortable doing that, though it wouldn't surprise me if he were familiar with MBTI.

[Distance]

ESTPs talk a mile a minute. You'll be lucky to get a word in edgewise once they've revved up.

[Ender]

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Also, I'm married to a male ESFx and I can tell you that they are so different it's not even funny xD. My experience is with a sensor-feeler which is why I didn't discount the possibility that my co-worker might be a sensor-thinker because I honestly have no clear-cut examples of this among people that I know (other than my mom who is an ISTP but who has mood disorders and thus a poor example for a layperson like me to analyze).

Oh ok lol. If you're married to an ESFx and this guy seems nothing like your husband, then I'm probably off base with ESFJ. I don't have a lot of familiarity with STs myself that I'm aware of. The part that confuses me most is the disconnect.

I wonder, perhaps, if the awkwardness in conversation can be explained by something like asperger's (e.g missing social cues and not knowing when to stop talking, or when to start talking). I have no idea, for example, what an ESTP or ESFJ with asperger's would look like - if such a thing even exists within the model of how the functions work.

Does he talk to other people at your work a lot or is he singularly focused on you, whether by necessity or otherwise?

[scorpiomover]

	Originally Posted by mieu To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	TLDR, just spit out four letters because your guess will likely be better than mine.

INTP.

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Today I had a lengthy and candid conversation with a team lead regarding someone who joined the team in the beginning of the year. The team lead I was conversing with is a heavy Fe user, but I'm quite sure he is an NF of some sort. I'm a Ne/Ni user (jury's out because I only have a little Inny and I can't tell if I have a Pness or not, but that's another topic). So this guy and I are pretty much on the same wavelength as to our experiences with the new guy.

The team lead is an xNFJ. You are an xNTJ, at least in work. You are dealing with an INTP. So where you have Ni & Se, he has Si & Ne. Where you have a dominant or auxiliary Te or Fe, he has dominant Ti. Different communication styles.

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	We like him, at least I do, and he is in no way malicious or anything. He's one of the nicest guys I've worked with and is very collaborative and a team player at heart,

His good intents are felt by others. Has Fe.

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	there just seem to be huge gaps in communication that have slowed down projects and resolutions to issues, such that we are looking for ways to work on it with him. I've actually been transitioning my work to him, so being able to effectively teach concepts is crucial and has never been something that I've had much trouble doing until this new guy.

Not your communication style.

Highlights:

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	- Obviously quite intelligent and well-spoken, quite insightful on a wide array of topics

Insight is another word for intuition. Sensors work on a limited range, things they know in depth. Wide array => N. Overall, N.

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	- When he talks, it's in earnest and as if his brain moves faster than his mouth can keep up, speech often comes to a stumbling halt while he gathers thoughts in a way that he can articulate them. It's such an emotive thing that I literally get an impression of him getting tangled up in thoughts and words.

Dominant function that rules the brain, overtakes the extroverted function that others see most. Clear Introvert.

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	-- Not sure if extravert or good at hiding introversion, loves to talk at length about the work--much longer than is needed--

No clear judgement in his extroverted conversations with others. P.

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	-I often find that the conversation wraps up only for me to realize later that very little understanding was reached between the two of us.

Not your communication style.

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	- Very demonstrative in communication style, loves to talk-out concepts in very, very granular detail (for example explicitly spelling out things that I would have considered implied).

Working out all the details. Has Ti.

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	He seems to be doing it more for his own sake (as if recitation of concepts at a very granular level were necessary for him to understand and commit to memory) than mine.

Storing to memory => Has Si.

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	- Has a need to know all possibilities around a scenario in the finest, most precise detail possible, but it seems that in the process of committing those things to memory he doesn't also memorize the connections and processes that give rise to it, which ends up leaving gaps in understanding.

Connections and processes, are Ni. You use Ni a lot. He hardly uses Ni

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- In learning new concepts, he is so concerned with all those specific possibilities that we end up getting very far from the overarching concept (towards scenarios that are less relevant or unlikely) and having to double back over a 15-minute tangent to resume talking about the parent concept. Often gives rise to the feeling of 'slow down, you're missing the point.' Like he seizes on a concept and runs off with it. I'm fine with that, I like to impart knowledge, but it concerns my manager when he sees the guy spending an hour and a half at my desk discussing the same thing with a fine-toothed comb when I'm needed for other things.

Has very strong Ne.

	Originally Posted by mieu To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	- After all the time spent discussing all these infinitesimal possibilities, I find that he seems to just aggregate them up to a solution--often based on my suggestion of 'best fit'

His dominant function, which makes the final ruling, decides which one of those possibilities, or a combination thereof, is the "right one", rather than picking a solution, giving it a go, and then if it doesn't work, trying another. Dominant function is a Judging function.

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	--but either completely dismisses or forgets a few conditionals needed for that conclusion.

Leaves the details of extroverted implementation to others to sort out. No Te.

He's an INTP, Ti-Ne-Si-Fe. We analyse all the possibilities, and then we come to a conclusion. It takes practice, for an INTP to learn how to make this work for him.

You are an xNTJ, or at least, you use Ni heavily in your work. So he doesn't understand your Ni all that well. It takes practice, to learn how to communicate with an INTP. INTJs really have a problem here, because they tackle the same problems, from the opposite way around.

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For example, we were presented with a small defect in an application. The business partner requested that we give them a particular solution, being the subject matter expert, I knew that that solution would have some unintended consequences for the users. My coworker is technically the person who is supposed to interface with the business partner, so I expressed to him all the different solutions and their implications (as he is wont to do), but in an effort to wrap up the way-too-long conversation I summed it up with what I thought intuitively would best suit their needs and would also be the most feasible. We absolutely need the business to explicitly sign off on changes so that they don't come back to us a week later and tell us to change it again because they didn't understand it fully the first time around, so I expected him to go back to the business partner with this knowledge and talk it through with them so that they could make an informed decision. After discussing this with him for an hour in great detail, he just took my insight literally and communicated an effective 'yes' back to the business partner without laying out the implications of their requested solution.

You did his NT-thinking for him. What you omitted to explain, was WHY you told him all this, and what precisely you intended to achieve by all that talk, i.e. what you wanted him to do with it.

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In the end, he spends an exorbitant amount of time on specific details and possibilities ends up being 'unprepared' in terms of general knowledge of a concept when it comes to being crunch time. I have for a long time worried that I failed in my duty of effectively teaching him the concepts he needed in order to succeed, but my manager (and coworkers that I've transitioned work to in the past) keep telling me that it's him, not me. In a strange way I'm acutely aware of the communication gap, and feel a bit of empathy for him because I worry that he knows he is misunderstood.

He probably does. Of course, you probably feel like many INTJs around young INTPs, which is to feel sorry for us, and to try to change us.

As we get older, and we eventually mature, a lot of INTPs become incredibly confident, knowledgeable, and productive.

But there is much that you can do in the meantime, to make your time and his time more productive and more efficient.

[mieu]

	Originally Posted by Ender To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Does he talk to other people at your work a lot or is he singularly focused on you, whether by necessity or otherwise?

He does this with everyone on the team, no exceptions.

____

scorpio, thank you very much for your observations, a lot to be learned there. I would like to point out that I'm like 7 years younger than he is, not that that necessarily means that I'm less developed in my personality functions than he is, but odds are that I'm the immature one, here. I only 'feel sorry' for him in that I feel like my other coworkers are misunderstanding him in a negative way, and holding things against him that are just quirks in his personality (not truly acting grudging, but the fact that it's causing enough of a stir evokes a bit of empathy in me). I have quirks--different kinds of quirks--but I know that it's a boon whenever I'm with a group of people that acknowledges them and works with them and helps me to improve.

I get that our communication styles are different but I stressed to everyone who brought it up that it wasn't a dealbreaker and that I wasn't going home like 'omg if I have to spend another minute with this guy I'll go crazy.' It's always nice to talk to another thinker who is mentally engaged with the work and curious.

[Simurgh]

If you accept that he his moderately introverted and uses his intuition only intermittently then you can agree with the following typing.

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	I don't think he's necessarily an E. I think struggling with words is I'ish. Clearly Te. Focusing on the details while missing a bigger picture would be classic Si. ISTJ.

Also, being more mature, he may type as a very mild ENFP while under social stress. That would be a reasonable choice given the skill set he's honed. It just might be his preference considering his ratio of successes and failures.

[The Dan Keizer]

I don't know what the fuck he is but you should drown him in a bucket for wasting so much of your god damned time.

[mieu]

Children, no fighting in my thread. Penis-jousting is juvenile and unsanitary.

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	I don't know what the fuck he is but you should drown him in a bucket for wasting so much of your god damned time.

The office is a no-bucket zone for just this reason.

[aworldapart]

You cannot type someone based on how they developed cognitive functions, being that this coworker may switch on and off weaker cognitive functions because he is at work.

You have to identify someone's type by separately analyzing each letter E/I, S/N, F/T, and J/P.

[SergeantPunch]

ENTP forsure