[AltoidaMintera]

	Originally Posted by Midhiel To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	...Or that's just what they're attracted to. Did you make a conscious decision to be attracted to certain body types, or are you just naturally drawn to them?

I'm going to maintain my opinion it stems from self esteem issues or poor fitness themselves.

I'm very fit right now, and if given the choice between an attractive fit man and and an attractive overweight man, I'm going to pick the fit man.

4 years ago, I was very fat. And even back then, if given a choice between an attractive fit man and and attractive overweight man, I'd have picked the fit man.

Prior to my fat phase, I was fit. Once again, I picked fit over fat.

I'm an accomplished observer and people watcher - my observations are that people who have problems with self esteem will tend to pair up with someone that matches what they think they are worth themselves, on the inside. You have to exclude from this generalization the gold diggers and leeches of society. I'm just talking basic, you like me/I like you dynamics.

[leslissocool]

	Originally Posted by AltoidaMintera To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Man-pregnancy bellies are not sexy. I could care less if they can powerlift a tree trunk. Fit/toned is the ideal. ---------- Post added 08-19-2012 at 10:38 AM ---------- I'm going to go out on a limb here and say anyone who PREFERS fat over fit is doing it because they have terrible self confidence and/or are in terrible shapes themselves.

That is actually NOT true. I care about my fitness, in fact I am a fitness enthusiast and I have very specific fitness goals. I have NEVER been overweight until I had twins, and even after twins I lost the weight, got my flat stomach and low body fat down. I care a lot about my body, yet my husband has a beer belly and I find him attractive.

He's not overweight, he's average. He's strong, has muscle and all but I don't care about washboard abs on HIM, I care about that on ME. If I wanted a guy with abs I would have married a guy with abs.


There are tons of fit "hot" women who's significant other is not fit, and who don't care about it. Many personal trainers I know are married to guys that don't exercise. The thing is, you tend to do things as a couple so if you are eating out, BOTH get fat/are fat. Because of my eating style and schedule I am very lean. Which means, I cook a lot at home. Which means, my husband eats home cooked healthy meals at home, which keeps him at a healthy range. My whole family eats the same, so my kids are slim and fit (because they are active like me) while my husband is average because he doesn't care about lifting weight with me.

I also don't have terrible self esteem issues. I went out with body builders, thin and chubby. I don't care what level of self esteem you have, no woman feels good naked when your man weights less than you do.

[AltoidaMintera]

Originally Posted by leslissocool To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

That is actually NOT true. I care about my fitness, in fact I am a fitness enthusiast and I have very specific fitness goals. I have NEVER been overweight until I had twins, and even after twins I lost the weight, got my flat stomach and low body fat down. I care a lot about my body, yet my husband has a beer belly and I find him attractive. He's not overweight, he's average. He's strong, has muscle and all but I don't care about washboard abs on HIM, I care about that on ME. If I wanted a guy with abs I would have married a guy with abs. There are tons of fit "hot" women who's significant other is not fit, and who don't care about it. Many personal trainers I know are married to guys that don't exercise. The thing is, you tend to do things as a couple so if you are eating out, BOTH get fat/are fat. Because of my eating style and schedule I am very lean. Which means, I cook a lot at home. Which means, my husband eats home cooked healthy meals at home, which keeps him at a healthy range. My whole family eats the same, so my kids are slim and fit (because they are active like me) while my husband is average because he doesn't care about lifting weight with me.

It totally is true. I'm talking about overweight men. Not being attractive to me. I've had kids too, and can honestly say i'm in better shape now than before I had them. My ex husband gained more pregnancy weight than I did and my libido plummeted towards him. I never said anything about slight imperfections, we were talking about overweight vs fit.

[jetplane48]

As an avid exercising person dude guy: I don't give a rat's ass about my partners fitness levels or her diet. Let her be as long as she lets me be.

[Uber10]

Make them rich men and everything change

Gabe Newell

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Larry Page

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Flavio Briatore

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And everyone knows Hugh Hefner

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[SeverusSin]

All I know in relation to the OP what I have found in my experience is that though I am generally considered a handsome man. Women will ignore handsome if its unkempt (unless they go specifically for the unkempt look), but as soon as I get a haircut the reactions become more favourable. I've noticed this in relation to guys who go to the gym as well.

[24601]

Oh come on. Heff is just sexy, old or not, rich or not.

[Marcus Septim]

Nope the women i like usually are not *fit* (as in thin) But it could described more of as stark healthy look,which is not always..thin

[xNeutrino]

the question is asking what women think about men and their fitness. Not what men think about womens fitness.

[zibber]

	Originally Posted by xNeutrino To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	the question is asking what women think about men and their fitness. Not what men think about womens fitness.

mm.. tell us more

[Zsych]

	Originally Posted by Moniker9 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	A man often becomes instantly aroused at the sight of an attractive female. For men, physical attraction is generally more important than any other single factor. How does this compare with women? Is physical fitness seen merely as bonus to women or is it as much of a deal-breaker or attraction as it is men?

I think its just a part of an overall equation. But if you don't have looks or the right attitude, you're going to have to offer other things to supplement their buying decision.
(obviously different women give different weight to different qualities)

[Gamaan10]

I definitely prefer a guy to be relatively fit and this goes along with living a healthy lifestyle. Basically, taking care of his body. Nothing extreme, but balanced. I do this myself, and it's nice to have someone who agrees with this idea.

[leslissocool]

	Originally Posted by AltoidaMintera To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	It totally is true. I'm talking about overweight men. Not being attractive to me. I've had kids too, and can honestly say i'm in better shape now than before I had them. My ex husband gained more pregnancy weight than I did and my libido plummeted towards him. I never said anything about slight imperfections, we were talking about overweight vs fit.

Well that's your opinion not a generalized truth .There are plenty of of people (men and women) married to overweight partners. Some choose them that way, fat when dating and it doesn't relate to poor self esteem. Some like junk in the trunk.

Fat and skinny are relative. To some people fat is 30-40 lbs overweight. I happen to be one of those people, yet I still don't care if my husband is overweight I still want to tear his clothes off. To be really honest, I like a guy who's overall bigger than me. I've gone out with guys who are skinnier and it's a total turn off for me. I've had a boyfriend who was underweight and he was a nice guy yet there wasn't much attraction on my part.

[babsa]

I don't think i have ever heard anyone say that they preferred unfit people over fit.

[comunazi]

Why would a normal female want to mate with an unhealthy, fat/skinny, slow witted male who's offspring will likely be as weak, skinny/fat, unhealthy and have poor odds of reproducing just like their sperm donor?

[SelfMadeBum]

Nice perk but not important.

By the way, this is why women are the ones who choose mates. If it were up to men human beings would be pretty and very little else.

[IotaNull]

	Originally Posted by SelfMadeBum To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	By the way, this is why women are the ones who choose mates. If it were up to men human beings would be pretty and very little else.

If it were up to women human beings would be subject to a constant eugenics program to ensure that only the very best people in every possible aspect at once survive.

See, I can do that too.

[babsa]

	Originally Posted by SelfMadeBum To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Nice perk but not important. By the way, this is why women are the ones who choose mates. If it were up to men human beings would be pretty and very little else.

	Originally Posted by IotaNull To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	If it were up to women human beings would be subject to a constant eugenics program to ensure that only the very best people in every possible aspect at once survive. See, I can do that too.

[Un]Fortunately, it only takes one exceptional male to breed with an enumerable amount of women. With that being said, i never really cared for the biological needs/species survival approach to explaining society. A great number of things can be argued by that approach, and many of them are definitely not good.

[sinanju]

I'd say there's a difference between healthy-fat and obese.

Also, just because someone doesn't have ripped muscles and six pack doesn't mean he's not fit.
Usually, 20-24% body fat is average, and you can't really see any muscle in that range.
Maintaining a lower body fat (less than 20%) requires a lot more effort to achieve and maintain, and some may not see it as a priority because maybe they focus on other things in life.
Also, the chubby but active/exercising males are physically fitter than skinny ones.

So, appearances are not everything.

[SelfMadeBum]

	Originally Posted by IotaNull To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	If it were up to women human beings would be subject to a constant eugenics program to ensure that only the very best people in every possible aspect at once survive.

What?

[scorpiomover]

	Originally Posted by SelfMadeBum To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Nice perk but not important. By the way, this is why women are the ones who choose mates.

Unless you're in the UK, in which case, the reason that you give people for going out with him is "he was fit."

	If it were up to men human beings would be pretty and very little else.

Which is why men have a song called "Make an ugly woman your wife". To this day, I've never heard a man say "that's rubbish" about it. They just nod and agree.

Depends on which country you're talking about.

[razgrim]

If she can see my ribs, I should be able to see hers.

[catsarecute1989]

it's only important to an extent. I don't care if someone is on the skinny side. I almost prefer it. I don't like people who are too built because I tend to associate that with 'bro's' and stupidity and other l neanderthal like qualities.There is nothing less attractive than an overly ripped neanderthal with an inferiority complex...except maybe a really nasty, obese, pale WOW geek:


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oh and idiots really need to stop framing everything with an evolutionary bias. Guess what dumbasses? It's 2013 and we're no longer cave men/women who hunt buffalo and talk in grunts. I don't look at a dude and wonder to myself, consciously or subconsciously, if he would make a good breeding partner. Who the fuck does that

[comunazi]

	Originally Posted by IotaNull To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	If it were up to women human beings would be subject to a constant eugenics program to ensure that only the very best people in every possible aspect at once survive..

best damn argument Ive ever read to have women in control!

[Wongette]

It matters, especially as I get older. Back in my twenties, it wasn't really a factor when I was dating, because most people I met in college or grad school were young and were normal weight.

Now that I'm in my late thirties, the physical differences in guys is a LOT more noticeable. I always prided myself in not being shallow about a guy's looks, but that all changed when I started going out with men in their forties. Some are lean and fit and look great. A guy who takes care of himself will age well and be attractive to younger women. Others have unfortunately really let themselves go and unfortunately I am completely turned off. And the advice is never to date a guy you find totally unattractive in the vain hopes he will grow on you.

My other pet theory involves INTJs having extroverted sensing as their last function. It is last, but we do have it, and it's supposed to develop over time. This would seem to fit my personal experience of becoming more strongly aware of a guy's physical attractiveness as I get older.