What are the work and education opportunities in our economy?

**Autumnleaf** · 06-23-2012, 12:02 PM

Obviously the economy is not doing too well. What would you say are the opportunities out there for people who are currently out of work or soon to be entering the work force? We can talk everyone or specifically INTJs. Whatever you choose. What do you think?

**PovertyPenalty** · 06-23-2012, 01:47 PM

I always seem to see wanted ads for nurses and others trained in the healthcare field.

**Distance** · 06-23-2012, 01:49 PM

It's been apparent that there aren't enough technical workers like plumbers, electricians, carpenters, handi-men/blue collar workers in general. This is why this gap has been filled by illegal aliens.

**Doggzilla** · 06-23-2012, 05:59 PM

Seeing as how 18% of the economy is dedicated to healthcare, that would be good. Except that we are about to cut back and the companies are cutting nurses instead of profits.

I drive a truck, and there is always work, and you never have to worry about being homeless. Even when the economy tanked, you could still make more than enough to eat comfortably. Thing is that its extremely dangerous as a rookie driver. The death rate for rookies is between 35-55 times more dangerous than being in the military. This is evidence by the death rates published for Werner Enterprises and Swift. They almost exclusively employ out of school drivers, and they dont train very well at all. This leads to an average employment of less than 6 months. For instance, there have been over 130k drivers between the time my trainer was hired, and when I was. We have 7500 trucks which run for 6 years before being sold off. That makes our average length of employment just over 3 months.
Thing is, if any industry is making anything, it almost certainly gets transported by truck. There are very few exceptions, and almost every piece of freight which is moved by ships and trains also has to travel on trucks. Its actually very secure.

Owning your own truck is pretty good as well. You have to have a year's experience and about a year's savings before you can do it, but its a great gig for anybody who is good at math and being alone.
Any INTJ would make made money being an owner operator. Using algebra and excel will show you very quickly that some runs make much more than others, and for a fraction of the work and wear on your truck.

**eagleseven** · 06-23-2012, 07:11 PM

Healthcare positions that require some sort of licensure or certification are still in demand, though it varies by region and profession. In the most desirable regions, healthcare is already oversaturated...so don't be surprised if your first job as a new grad puts you in the middle of nowhere.

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**Chameleon** · 06-23-2012, 07:29 PM

I know this does not help your topic, but: I do not see anything holding back an INTJ; it would take hell and high water (sorry, not sure how many people know this saying).

Any way, health fields; and education IMO (after all the restructurings going on) will blow up (in a good way).

**Antagonist** · 06-28-2012, 07:18 PM

Programming and software engineering are still extremely hot fields.

**PRBori** · 06-28-2012, 07:30 PM

Cyber Security is at the top; however, there are a number of caveats that could impact ones decision to enter the field as only selected few can make it thru successfully. The general rule, your life must be pretty clean and free of wrong decisions in order to make it thru. If you have a history of mis-conduct, drug use, finance issues, and/or have been charged with some sort of criminal item or spend time in jail, don't obey the law, even traffic law, then the above will not work. Not one bit.

I guess anything else that doesn't require a life signature might work, but I'm not sure of many out there that will stand this economy. In general, IT jobs are pretty strong, programming, developers, and SharePoint Designers, the only caveat again is that the best ones available have certain requirements that must be met. A clean life must be lived to enter most of them, is almost worthless otherwise for most reviews are 7-10yrs of your life that must be clear in every sense of the word.

**Polymath20** · 06-29-2012, 09:20 AM

Nursing is the only field that was less impacted by the recession than IT. As the cost of doctors has skyrocketed, the demand for competent nurses has also increased. In fact, demand for nurses dropped the least, but was also the first field to reach new highs for demand.

**eagleseven** · 06-29-2012, 11:07 AM

	Originally Posted by Polymath20 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Nursing is the only field that was less impacted by the recession than IT. As the cost of doctors has skyrocketed, the demand for competent nurses has also increased. In fact, demand for nurses dropped the least, but was also the first field to reach new highs for demand.

While this is true, there's also a nursing glut. IE more new grads than entry-level positions opening up. While you still have better odds of finding work as a new nurse than many other degrees, it'll still be an uphill battle.

**Polymath20** · 06-29-2012, 11:27 AM

	Originally Posted by eagleseven To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	While this is true, there's also a nursing glut. IE more new grads than entry-level positions opening up. While you still have better odds of finding work as a new nurse than many other degrees, it'll still be an uphill battle.

Yeah, you need to be top of your class to have a better shot, and it's also probably regionally variable.

If you can become a PA, they are in very high demand. Very often, PA's are doing the work of doctors today, and simply reporting to a doctor to have him or her write all the recommendations and prescriptions... I can't remember, but I think PA's actually can write some Rx's...

**Distance** · 06-29-2012, 12:03 PM

	Originally Posted by Polymath20 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Nursing is the only field that was less impacted by the recession than IT. As the cost of doctors has skyrocketed, the demand for competent nurses has also increased. In fact, demand for nurses dropped the least, but was also the first field to reach new highs for demand.

If you consider the long-term implications, the boomers will die out and gen-xers are a lesser population. Short-term for the next decade and a half or so, not a bad idea.

**Doggzilla** · 06-29-2012, 07:22 PM

I think this is a matter of perception. People expect jobs to be thrown at them. I had a relative who educated with a 4.0 from UMass in the 90s, and it still took her years to find work. Her degree was in education management. She eventually got a job as head of web advertising for the head of a school software company. Pays to have a backup skill.

The point being that even with perfect scores, and in an industry which is fairly easy to get into, it can still take some time, even in a booming economy.

**Monte314** · 06-29-2012, 07:41 PM

Hey, our beloved President said that, "the private sector is doing fine." Are you trying to make him look bad by tossing the truth out there?

**Doggzilla** · 07-01-2012, 08:50 AM

Well, the progress it is making is fine. The net increase is more than any Republican, I actually looked up all the stats a year ago and then again a short time ago, and Obama has now surpassed the only two republicans he hadnt surpassed a year ago. Those were Bush Sr and Eisenhower, the only Republicans to have positive effects on unemployment.

**titi monkey** · 07-03-2012, 11:32 PM

	Originally Posted by Doggzilla To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Well, the progress it is making is fine. The net increase is more than any Republican, I actually looked up all the stats a year ago and then again a short time ago, and Obama has now surpassed the only two republicans he hadnt surpassed a year ago. Those were Bush Sr and Eisenhower, the only Republicans to have positive effects on unemployment.

Now subtract taxpayer-funded positions.

**DanielColeman** · 07-04-2012, 12:21 AM

opportunities are always there you have to find them

**Polymath20** · 07-04-2012, 08:32 AM

	Originally Posted by Monte314 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Hey, our beloved President said that, "the private sector is doing fine." Are you trying to make him look bad by tossing the truth out there?

In my experience, the private sector is, in fact, doing just fine. Hiring is up across the board, even if a lot of metrics are still lagging behind. Not every industry has recovered and a lot of companies went under, but the worst is definitely over. Not everyone has accepted the new reality and a lot of people are dragging their feet, refusing to adapt to the new reality. People still want to "go back to the way things were" - but that has never really happened in history.

The invention of the sewing machine was a disruption of "the way things were" - did we ever go back to seamstresses? Not en masse.

**Paji eh Wong** · 07-04-2012, 08:53 AM

Asia, Africa, and other developing economies.
Entrepreneurship
The trades
New energy. PV solar, biofuels, storage, smart grid.
Finance (ha, just kidding)
Death
Hockey enforcer
Macro-gynecology

Whew, you can tell that when my mind got to finance, it went off the rails a little.

**jeff1377** · 07-05-2012, 09:43 PM

Where did you look up these facts?

**Fecal McAngry** · 07-05-2012, 09:46 PM

	Originally Posted by Doggzilla To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Well, the progress it is making is fine. The net increase is more than any Republican, I actually looked up all the stats a year ago and then again a short time ago, and Obama has now surpassed the only two republicans he hadnt surpassed a year ago. Those were Bush Sr and Eisenhower, the only Republicans to have positive effects on unemployment.

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Here's a little math problem for Doggzilla: How many more Americans need to leave the labor force entirely for "unemployment" to drop to zero?

GIGO. Garbage In, Garbage Out.

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	Originally Posted by titi monkey To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Now subtract taxpayer-funded positions.

That will make it even worse than the abysmal current labor force participation rate (somewhere around 63.6%); which is the worst in over 30 years...

**Autumnleaf** · 07-06-2012, 07:03 AM

	Originally Posted by Doggzilla To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Well, the progress it is making is fine. The net increase is more than any Republican, I actually looked up all the stats a year ago and then again a short time ago, and Obama has now surpassed the only two republicans he hadnt surpassed a year ago. Those were Bush Sr and Eisenhower, the only Republicans to have positive effects on unemployment.

Its smoke and mirrors. All those new jobs are Mcjobs. Mostly part time that doesn't pay enough to get off of Medicaid and food stamps. Some people work 2 or 3, even more, to make ends meet.

**Axion004** · 07-06-2012, 10:48 AM

Software companies are hiring a lot of people- the company which I work at is planning to increase the size of employees(from 200 to 800) in the next four years.

**Autumnleaf** · 07-06-2012, 11:55 AM

	Originally Posted by Axion004 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Software companies are hiring a lot of people- the company which I work at is planning to increase the size of employees(from 200 to 800) in the next four years.

That is good to know.

I work in retail. They hired four part timers and cut hours from full time people. Since I'm not on the bottom of the food chain I didn't feel the pain myself

06-23-2012, 12:02 PM	#1
Autumnleaf Core Member [226%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 9,060	Obviously the economy is not doing too well. What would you say are the opportunities out there for people who are currently out of work or soon to be entering the work force? We can talk everyone or specifically INTJs. Whatever you choose. What do you think?
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06-23-2012, 01:47 PM	#2
PovertyPenalty Member [02%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 109	I always seem to see wanted ads for nurses and others trained in the healthcare field.
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06-23-2012, 01:49 PM	#3
Distance Core Member [409%] MBTI: eNTj Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 16,399	It's been apparent that there aren't enough technical workers like plumbers, electricians, carpenters, handi-men/blue collar workers in general. This is why this gap has been filled by illegal aliens.
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06-23-2012, 05:59 PM	#4
Doggzilla Member [35%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,438	Seeing as how 18% of the economy is dedicated to healthcare, that would be good. Except that we are about to cut back and the companies are cutting nurses instead of profits. I drive a truck, and there is always work, and you never have to worry about being homeless. Even when the economy tanked, you could still make more than enough to eat comfortably. Thing is that its extremely dangerous as a rookie driver. The death rate for rookies is between 35-55 times more dangerous than being in the military. This is evidence by the death rates published for Werner Enterprises and Swift. They almost exclusively employ out of school drivers, and they dont train very well at all. This leads to an average employment of less than 6 months. For instance, there have been over 130k drivers between the time my trainer was hired, and when I was. We have 7500 trucks which run for 6 years before being sold off. That makes our average length of employment just over 3 months. Thing is, if any industry is making anything, it almost certainly gets transported by truck. There are very few exceptions, and almost every piece of freight which is moved by ships and trains also has to travel on trucks. Its actually very secure. Owning your own truck is pretty good as well. You have to have a year's experience and about a year's savings before you can do it, but its a great gig for anybody who is good at math and being alone. Any INTJ would make made money being an owner operator. Using algebra and excel will show you very quickly that some runs make much more than others, and for a fraction of the work and wear on your truck.
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06-23-2012, 07:11 PM	#5
eagleseven Core Member [154%] MBTI: XNTJ Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 6,189	Healthcare positions that require some sort of licensure or certification are still in demand, though it varies by region and profession. In the most desirable regions, healthcare is already oversaturated...so don't be surprised if your first job as a new grad puts you in the middle of nowhere. To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
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06-23-2012, 07:29 PM	#6
Chameleon Veteran Member [92%] MBTI: INTP Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 3,695	I know this does not help your topic, but: I do not see anything holding back an INTJ; it would take hell and high water (sorry, not sure how many people know this saying). Any way, health fields; and education IMO (after all the restructurings going on) will blow up (in a good way).
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06-28-2012, 07:18 PM	#7
Antagonist Member [05%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 206	Programming and software engineering are still extremely hot fields.
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06-28-2012, 07:30 PM	#8
PRBori Core Member [108%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 4,353	Cyber Security is at the top; however, there are a number of caveats that could impact ones decision to enter the field as only selected few can make it thru successfully. The general rule, your life must be pretty clean and free of wrong decisions in order to make it thru. If you have a history of mis-conduct, drug use, finance issues, and/or have been charged with some sort of criminal item or spend time in jail, don't obey the law, even traffic law, then the above will not work. Not one bit. I guess anything else that doesn't require a life signature might work, but I'm not sure of many out there that will stand this economy. In general, IT jobs are pretty strong, programming, developers, and SharePoint Designers, the only caveat again is that the best ones available have certain requirements that must be met. A clean life must be lived to enter most of them, is almost worthless otherwise for most reviews are 7-10yrs of your life that must be clear in every sense of the word.
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06-29-2012, 09:20 AM	#9
Polymath20 Core Member [410%] MBTI: ENTP Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 16,427	Nursing is the only field that was less impacted by the recession than IT. As the cost of doctors has skyrocketed, the demand for competent nurses has also increased. In fact, demand for nurses dropped the least, but was also the first field to reach new highs for demand.
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06-29-2012, 07:22 PM	#13
Doggzilla Member [35%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,438	I think this is a matter of perception. People expect jobs to be thrown at them. I had a relative who educated with a 4.0 from UMass in the 90s, and it still took her years to find work. Her degree was in education management. She eventually got a job as head of web advertising for the head of a school software company. Pays to have a backup skill. The point being that even with perfect scores, and in an industry which is fairly easy to get into, it can still take some time, even in a booming economy.
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06-29-2012, 07:41 PM	#14
Monte314 Core Member [406%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 16,257	Hey, our beloved President said that, "the private sector is doing fine." Are you trying to make him look bad by tossing the truth out there?
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07-01-2012, 08:50 AM	#15
Doggzilla Member [35%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,438	Well, the progress it is making is fine. The net increase is more than any Republican, I actually looked up all the stats a year ago and then again a short time ago, and Obama has now surpassed the only two republicans he hadnt surpassed a year ago. Those were Bush Sr and Eisenhower, the only Republicans to have positive effects on unemployment.
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07-04-2012, 12:21 AM	#17
DanielColeman New Member [01%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 4	opportunities are always there you have to find them
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07-04-2012, 08:53 AM	#19
Paji eh Wong Member [12%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 519	Asia, Africa, and other developing economies. Entrepreneurship The trades New energy. PV solar, biofuels, storage, smart grid. Finance (ha, just kidding) Death Hockey enforcer Macro-gynecology Whew, you can tell that when my mind got to finance, it went off the rails a little.
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07-05-2012, 09:43 PM	#20
jeff1377 New Member [01%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 22	Where did you look up these facts?
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07-06-2012, 10:48 AM	#23
Axion004 Member [24%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 985	Software companies are hiring a lot of people- the company which I work at is planning to increase the size of employees(from 200 to 800) in the next four years.
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