[INTroJect]

Julie Borowski says not to worry as it's all much ado about absolutely nothing.

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Bottom line: The budget isn't being cut, only a teensy weensy reduction in the overall planned rate of future increase. So why is it that the media is going absolutely apeshit over this? Could it have to do with corporate profits to be earned for their advertisers from the government spending?

[Vulture]

	Originally Posted by INTroJect To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	J So why is it that the media is going absolutely apeshit over this? Could it have to do with corporate profits to be earned for their advertisers from the government spending?

1) could be: media companies like ratings. nothing gets ratings high like a crisis.

2) could be: media companies are designed and meant to keep us "scared" to enact shitty legislation.

3) could be: media companies are designed and meant to keep us "scared" to keep us consuming at above "normal" rates.

4) could be: market manipulation by thsoe in money markets. media is smokescreening.

who the fuck knows really which it is. my money is on either 1 or 4... prolly 4...

[Autumnleaf]

When the news is slow they have to make news out of nothing at all.

[themuzicman]

	Originally Posted by Vulture To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	1) could be: media companies like ratings. nothing gets ratings high like a crisis.

Could be Obama is in bed with the media companies to scare the American people into "doing something." Obama has been the biggest source of scare mongering over this whole thing. His lapdog Journalists are just the conduit.

[Vulture]

	Originally Posted by themuzicman To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Could be Obama is in bed with the media companies to scare the American people into "doing something." Obama has been the biggest source of scare mongering over this whole thing. His lapdog Journalists are just the conduit.

that falls under #2.

as far as "who" that comes from, i see no reason to designate Obama, as historically(recent) there seems to be no difference in policy nationally between R or D.

i'm sure politically it is advantageous for him to blow the thing up to rub it in republican's faces, and paint them as obstructionist... but in the end... at the end of the day... he will be enacting legislation that will benefit both parties...

[Daoist]

Cause the whole thing has kept Congress from doing anything productive for a few months now.

[themuzicman]

	Originally Posted by Vulture To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	that falls under #2. as far as "who" that comes from, i see no reason to designate Obama, as historically(recent) there seems to be no difference in policy nationally between R or D.

'R's have been pointing out the truth, namely that this isn't a big deal. And they've also pointed out that the 'D's have done less than nothing to help. Obama hasn't even spoken to Harry Reid. So, we're sequestered...

	I'm sure politically it is advantageous for him to blow the thing up to rub it in republican's faces, and paint them as obstructionist... but in the end... at the end of the day... he will be enacting legislation that will benefit both parties...

I think this is going to blow up in Democrat's faces as they turn into Chicken Little. Of course, the Obamers have been exposed in their tactics as the guy turning loose all the illegal criminals jumped the gun and then pointed the finger back to Obama.

[Vulture]

	Originally Posted by themuzicman To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	'R's have been pointing out the truth, namely that this isn't a big deal. And they've also pointed out that the 'D's have done less than nothing to help. Obama hasn't even spoken to Harry Reid. So, we're sequestered...

you responded to my quote about policy, by pointing to rhetoric as evidence against my point?

of course R is saying this is no big deal... i don't think it's out of any inherent love for "truth and virtue" or being "THE GOOD GUYS" however... it is as i stated, advantageous for Obama to push the issue... they are MITIGATING that advantage how best they can...

again, POLICY, will remain the same...

	Originally Posted by themuzicman To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I think this is going to blow up in Democrat's faces as they turn into Chicken Little.

who the fuck cares if it does? what fundamental difference in policy will be made as a result?

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	Of course, the Obamers have been exposed in their tactics as the guy turning loose all the illegal criminals jumped the gun and then pointed the finger back to Obama.

what the fuck?

[themuzicman]

	Originally Posted by Vulture To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	what the fuck?

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[Vulture]

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not relevant to conversation...

unless you are into "professional wrestling"

or other fictitious sports...

[larkin]

	Originally Posted by INTroJect To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Julie Borowski says not to worry as it's all much ado about absolutely nothing. [...] Bottom line: The budget isn't being cut, only a teensy weensy reduction in the overall planned rate of future increase. So why is it that the media is going absolutely apeshit over this? Could it have to do with corporate profits to be earned for their advertisers from the government spending?

	Originally Posted by Autumnleaf To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	When the news is slow they have to make news out of nothing at all.

	Originally Posted by themuzicman To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Could be Obama is in bed with the media companies to scare the American people into "doing something." Obama has been the biggest source of scare mongering over this whole thing. His lapdog Journalists are just the conduit.

Originally Posted by themuzicman To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

'R's have been pointing out the truth, namely that this isn't a big deal. And they've also pointed out that the 'D's have done less than nothing to help. Obama hasn't even spoken to Harry Reid. So, we're sequestered... [...] I think this is going to blow up in Democrat's faces as they turn into Chicken Little. Of course, the Obamers have been exposed in their tactics as the guy turning loose all the illegal criminals jumped the gun and then pointed the finger back to Obama.

Yes, courageous "Rs" and their bullshit predictions. I wonder if this one will work out as well as "they won't downgrade our credit" and "Romney will win in a landslide"? Don't worry - when it doesn't you'll all deny said predictions, blame them on liberals, pretend they didn't happen, or otherwise ignore the consequences entirely, happily making more such predictions in the future, regardless of reality.

Onward, then.

[Ray9]

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Yes, courageous "Rs" and their bullshit predictions. I wonder if this one will work out as well as "they won't downgrade our credit" and "Romney will win in a landslide"? Don't worry - when it doesn't you'll all deny said predictions, blame them on liberals, pretend they didn't happen, or otherwise ignore the consequences entirely, happily making more such predictions in the future, regardless of reality. Onward, then.

Reality is that there is a horse's ass in the White House. How are we going to fix it then? The buffoon has no idea how to negotiate through leadership. The fundamental transformation of America is in the hands of the low-information lowest common denominator. This is your reality. Enjoy it.

[Arcanist]

Still mad that Kolob's Chosen didn't win?

[INTroJect]

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Yes, courageous "Rs" and their bullshit predictions. I wonder if this one will work out as well as "they won't downgrade our credit" and "Romney will win in a landslide"? Don't worry - when it doesn't you'll all deny said predictions, blame them on liberals, pretend they didn't happen, or otherwise ignore the consequences entirely, happily making more such predictions in the future, regardless of reality. Onward, then.

If we had no debt there would be no credit to downgrade, and it's the D's who are living under the illusion that we can borrow to infinity and beyond.

[BruceLemur]

	Originally Posted by INTroJect To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	If we had no debt there would be no credit to downgrade, and it's the D's who are living under the illusion that we can borrow to infinity and beyond.

The GOP has done their part on that front too. In spades.
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[Causa Mortis]

Originally Posted by INTroJect To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Julie Borowski says not to worry as it's all much ado about absolutely nothing. To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Bottom line: The budget isn't being cut, only a teensy weensy reduction in the overall planned rate of future increase. So why is it that the media is going absolutely apeshit over this? Could it have to do with corporate profits to be earned for their advertisers from the government spending?

The media is going apeshit over it because the media gets paid to go apeshit. There's no reason to watch otherwise. Oops.

[OkButWhy]

	Originally Posted by themuzicman To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Could be Obama is in bed with the media companies to scare the American people into "doing something." Obama has been the biggest source of scare mongering over this whole thing. His lapdog Journalists are just the conduit.

It's cuz he's black right?

[Undead Bonzi]

	Originally Posted by Causa Mortis To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	The media is going apeshit over it because the media gets paid to go apeshit. There's no reason to watch otherwise. Oops.

This. Stir in the effect of biased news sources (Fox/MSNBC) telling their viewers what they want to hear and you get retardation. Notice that nowhere in this equation do 'facts' play a driving role in forming the narrative.

[RBM]

	Originally Posted by Autumnleaf To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	When the news is slow they have to make news out of nothing at all.

And that observation coming from you, is noteworthy.

It's worse than that.

Even when there are real stories, the kind that can 'write themselves', the resultant narrative bares little resemblance to the real events.

For example, I've read The Oil Drum, mostly daily, for over 6 years. There are many, many oil 'insiders' that post there, with many decades of years of expertise between just the regular commenters.. Right now there's a discussion on Joint Ventures among some particular global companies. The MSM/corporate news machine has, for the most part mangled the story with much help from the US politico's. All with agenda's, other than the details of the news itself.

[larkin]

	Originally Posted by INTroJect To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	If we had no debt there would be no credit to downgrade, and it's the D's who are living under the illusion that we can borrow to infinity and beyond.

Thanks for proving the point about totally ignoring the failures of past predictions, and still finding a way to blame libruls on top of it.

[INTroJect]

	Originally Posted by larkin To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Thanks for proving the point about totally ignoring the failures of past predictions, and still finding a way to blame libruls on top of it.

Failures of past predictions? What part about a credit downgrade, thus showcasing that a nation can't borrow to infinity and beyond, looks like a past prediction has failed? Again, it's liberals, specifically, mainstream cookie cutter Democrats, who are living with this idea, walking around out there in real life no less, that a nation can borrow and spend forever and ever to infinity and beyond. Even the most corrupt neo-con Republican knows to pretend to be all about small government, balanced budgets and whatnot, Democrats don't even pretend. The more that get's spent the better, it's "regulatory progress".

Tell me, what's it been like living with this sort of delusional fantasy?

[larkin]

	Originally Posted by INTroJect To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Tell me, what's it been like living with this sort of delusional fantasy?

You're really spectacular. There's not a single argument forwarded that you can't turn into "no, you are!", no matter the content.

In the real world, conservatives are the ones who told us that if they ignore the need to pay our debts, there would be no consequences.
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. When really,
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. This fundamental lack of understanding about the nature of the problem - in the long term the problem is spending, but in the short-term the problem is the ridiculousness of not even paying our minimum balance - makes this conversation absurd. Until you all acknowledge that we need to pay our debts, and bankruptcy is a bad thing, there really is no point.

Many conservatives take the more plausible/justifiable tack of blaming both parties for political brinkmanship. But impressively, the tea party and their ilk like to claim the things that are definitely, obviously going to happen - like serious consequences from the sequester that you will eventually see at the local level ("end of the month" eventually, and believe it or not, just because you aren't currently personally aware things are happening doesn't mean they don't exist) aren't going to happen. Which kind of undermines the more rational argument that it's the fault of both parties - how can you negotiate with someone who sees zero need to negotiate? Boehner might be able to negotiate when he's not being a total coward, but he doesn't represent his caucus anymore, so it's pointless. It's a game of chicken where one car doesn't have a driver. (Who gives a shit about people's savings, right? To call it abominable non-governance from a party that doesn't believe in it is *still* and understatement.)

And then when, out of some sense of shame, they're forced to reconcile their utter bullshit with reality - like the election - they like to pretend they never said it in the first place, and if they did it's all the fault of, again, libruls.

Or some just like to skip all that and post "I know you are, but what am I?" ad infinitum.

[INTroJect]

Seriously? More of the same tired old BS?

Unlike the delusional fantasyists who really do think that we can just borrow forever and ever, conservatives don't want a nation in debt, because they are keenly aware that there are inherent limitations and consequences to having it. For example, having too much debt, that debt is going to get downgraded. It's inevitable. Everyone agreeing in liberal drone unison to increase the debt ceiling, thus adding more debt, isn't a solution to having too much debt. All that it does it identify it for the ponzi scheme that it is. Bitching over political minutiae taking place at the time of downgrade is just plain retarded. However, nothing new there at all. Carry on. Don't let me get in the way.

[larkin]

	Originally Posted by INTroJect To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Seriously? More of the same tired old BS? Unlike the delusional fantasyists who really do think that we can just borrow forever and ever, conservatives don't want a nation in debt, because they are keenly aware that there are inherent limitations and consequences to having it. For example, having too much debt, that debt is going to get downgraded. It's inevitable..

How could you possibly negotiate a solution that results in us not being downgraded with people who believe that downgrade is inevitable?

To say nothing of convincing them of the empirically obvious - that conservatives could give a shit about a nation in debt, as long as it's their priorities reflected and their guys who are doing it. To be fair, that tends to be true of both parties - neither one has draped themselves in glory on this issue - but only one of them is ideologically capable of recognizing the stink of their shit, and thus compromising.

The only serious proposal on reducing the deficit came from a bipartisan commission requested and endorsed by Obama. Including the only proposal with serious structural changes to Medicare and Social Security, the actual threats to our long-term financial stability. The rest of the
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[INTroJect]

Hitting a point in debt where that debt can no longer be serviced is a little clue there that it's inevitable it's going to get downgraded. When liberal neanderthals can only think to drone about acting like we need more debt to address the problem of too much debt, well, there's another clue right there how seriously detached from reality such people really are.

In summary: You and your ilk are attempting to prop up a Ponzi scheme, and expecting others to compromise and go along with it. No thanks. Better that the ballooning debt get downgraded, interest rates go up, and this BS schrade be ended before it gets any more worse than it already is. It's about time. The credit agencies should have downgraded a long time ago.

The conservative position is that we would have conservative levels of debt or, preferably, not have any debt at all. In such a case of having no debt, there is no debt to be downgraded. We should hardly be following the liberal lemmings kowtowing to the whims of agencies that rate that debt.