[larkin]

	Originally Posted by Traverser To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	In actuality, larkin, it's you who is most likely to suggest this line of thinking given your past comments. I don't settle for slavery, even a modicrum of it, unlike some people here.

You don't settle for a modicrum (sic) of slavery, says the guy who makes the exact same argument I accused him of not a paragraph before.

[INTJRyan]

Originally Posted by LadySpock To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

There's the company and there's the owner. Two separate things. The company serves chicken to everyone. The servers do not treat people differently. The business is operating respectfully. The owner can believe what he wants. What if the owner believes in Santa Claus & is anti abortion. Would there be Santa effigies hung outside and abourtions performed on the doorsteps in protest? I don't get this outrage.

Yeah if chik fil a's owner said he thinks blacks are an inferior race, and women are the servants of men, I'm sure you'd be cool with it. A "what's all the outrage about" post from the most raging person on the board. Nice. Getting black people over their retarded hang ups over gays would be more useful. Of all people, African Americans should understand what it's like to be a second class citizen and would be more supportive of equality for everyone.

[Ray9]

	Originally Posted by larkin To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	1.) if you really believe that gay people have all the rights that straight people do, your arguments are simply too stupid to address;

There is no need to go beyond this revealing statement. This is the modus operandi of an impoverished, bedridden ideology bankrupt of anything useful to bring to the table other than the stale, rotted garbage (political correctness) that has been served up time and again. It is a way of debating so bankrupt of ideas that its first and only impulse is to smear any calls for common sense or dismiss any differing ponts of view with name calling and ridicule. There's no point in even aknowledging this other than to point it out for the sake of unmasking it. It's just like that clown who pulled up to the Chick-fil-A drive -through and berated the young girl. This is the way these people think. This is the way they (liberals) conduct themselves because they have ideas that are so correct there's just no other side to the argument that matters. I feel compelled to point this out for anyone who might care.

[Arcanist]

Keep clinging to that special legal privilege for pre approved state authorized couples, Ray.

[Bardas]

Originally Posted by Ray9 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

There is no need to go beyond this revealing statement. This is the modus operandi of an impoverished, bedridden ideology bankrupt of anything useful to bring to the table other than the stale, rotted garbage (political correctness) that has been served up time and again. It is a way of debating so bankrupt of ideas that its first and only impulse is to smear any calls for common sense or dismiss any differing ponts of view with name calling and ridicule. There's no point in even aknowledging this other than to point it out for the sake of unmasking it. It's just like that clown who pulled up to the Chick-fil-A drive -through and berated the young girl. This is the way these people think. This is the way they (liberals) conduct themselves because they have ideas that are so correct there's just no other side to the argument that matters. I feel compelled to point this out for anyone who might care.

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Your stoicism is laughdable.

[Arcanist]

This is the first thread on these forums that really fucking disgusted me.

[AnaK]

Seems the Kiss-in has been met with a yawn. Want to know why? Because this was never about suppression of gay rights. It was about government oppression and suppression of free speech by a businessman exercising his rights in a democracy.

	To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. At a Chick-fil-A restaurant in Torrance where vandals painted the words "Tastes like hate" on the side of the restaurant Thursday night, the "National Same-Sex Kiss Day" was off to a slow start.

[Arcanist]

It's like talking to a brick wall. ^

[Bardas]

	Originally Posted by AnaK To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Seems the Kiss-in has been met with a yawn. Want to know why? Because this was never about suppression of gay rights. It was about government oppression and suppression of free speech by a businessman exercising his rights in a democracy.

I don't follow your reasoning.

[LadySpock]

	Originally Posted by INTJRyan To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Yeah if chik fil a's owner said he thinks blacks are an inferior race, and women are the servants of men, I'm sure you'd be cool with it. A "what's all the outrage about" post from the most raging person on the board. Nice.

Thanks for the awesome title!

This may be difficult for you to grasp: I really don't care about the personal beliefs of a business owner. I care about the business owner's actions. How is the business operated? How am I treated when I walk in to spend my money?

I have deliberately tried to patronize a few Black owned businesses versus WalMart, and I got treated like crap and paid high prices. Do you think I went back to those businesses?

People have the privacy of their own minds. It is too hard to police that.

	Getting black people over their retarded hang ups over gays would be more useful.

Useful to who and useful how?

And if the Black people have several retarded hang ups, shouldn't they start with the things at the top of the list? Helping gays doesn't occupy a top spot.

	Of all people, African Americans should understand what it's like to be a second class citizen and would be more supportive of equality for everyone.

I am not an African anything. I am an American who happens to be Black. I will never join hands with the gay community or endorse the homosexual agenda. Homosexuality is a behavior which you can choose to engage in or not. I am Black 100% of the time...with absolutely no choice. Not. The. Same.

I would never harm a gay person, nor would I advocate harming such a person or discriminating against them, but I will not provide any assistance to them as they pursue their social goals.

Sure I am Black, but that doesn't mean I don't believe in family values or that marriage means one man and one woman.

People with fringe social agendas seem to always look for Blacks to co-sign their shit...Like Black people have no standards, so they'll support the midget anal chicken sex with strawberry syrup agenda.

Fuck that.

How's that for rage?

[vampyroteuthis]

	Originally Posted by LadySpock To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Homosexuality is a behavior which you can choose to engage in or not. I am Black 100% of the time...with absolutely no choice. Not. The. Same.

When it comes to choice? Very. Much. The. Same. We like who we like. Some of us are gay, some straight, some bi, some monogamous, some not, some cis, some trans... what the fuck is so threatening about people wanting to be free to care for each other without being told it doesn't count because... because what, exactly? How is this any less irrational and arbitrary than being told we're too dark to have nice things?

Wow. Didn't dislike you before but wow. Total disappointment.

[Arcanist]

You're supposed to keep it to yourself, lest you make those with the socially and state approved preferences uncomfortable. Welcome to America.

[vampyroteuthis]

	Originally Posted by Arcanist To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	You're supposed to keep it to yourself, lest you make those with the socially and state approved preferences uncomfortable. Welcome to America.

*sigh* Well, at least you're welcoming me.

[IotaNull]

I've still not heard one good argument from those who think homosexuality is a choice as to why anyone would actually take that option.

[SelfMadeBum]

Nor have I heard any confessions about the day they decided to be heterosexual.

[Clueless]

Originally Posted by vampyroteuthis To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

When it comes to choice? Very. Much. The. Same. We like who we like. Some of us are gay, some straight, some bi, some monogamous, some not, some cis, some trans... what the fuck is so threatening about people wanting to be free to care for each other without being told it doesn't count because... because what, exactly? How is this any less irrational and arbitrary than being told we're too dark to have nice things? Wow. Didn't dislike you before but wow. Total disappointment.

Your argument is bullshit. It only comes down to whether every individual has the right to their own opinions, and they do.

You. don't. have. to. like. it. But they do. Thinking that being "open-minded" ends with recognizing the rights of others to behave as they wish is sort of the ultimate hypocrisy. Others also have the right to believe/think as they wish.

Respect for the rights of others is a two way street yet only a very few seem capable of recognizing it as such. Someone once said "I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it". That's an ideal worth striving for.

[SelfMadeBum]

Originally Posted by Clueless To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Your argument is bullshit. It only comes down to whether every individual has the right to their own opinions, and they do. You. don't. have. to. like. it. But they do. Thinking that being "open-minded" ends with recognizing the rights of others to behave as they wish is sort of the ultimate hypocrisy. Others also have the right to believe/think as they wish. Respect for the rights of others is a two way street yet only a very few seem capable of recognizing it as such. Someone once said "I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it". That's an ideal worth striving for.

Saying it and actually attempting to put your words into actions that limit the rights of others to act in opposition to your opinions are two very different things, don't you think, Clueless?

[vampyroteuthis]

	Originally Posted by Iota Null To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I've still not heard one good argument from those who think homosexuality is a choice as to why anyone would actually take that option.

	Originally Posted by SelfMadeBum To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Nor have I heard any confessions about the day they decided to be heterosexual.

I would love to hear all about how they chose -- and presumably continue to choose -- their partners. Loving someone well can be an continuous series of choices but the feeling, drive, whatever you want to call it? I bet that's really rational.

Or we could take it a step further and posit that it's evolutionarily inefficient and people should forsake marriage, pair up in order to procreate, and then choose to disengage from whomever they love and go repeat the process in order to maximise the chances of their best genes being passed on. State-sponsored child-rearing can obviate the need to nurture partnerships.

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Originally Posted by Clueless To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Your argument is bullshit. It only comes down to whether every individual has the right to their own opinions, and they do. You. don't. have. to. like. it. But they do. Thinking that being "open-minded" ends with recognizing the rights of others to behave as they wish is sort of the ultimate hypocrisy. Others also have the right to believe/think as they wish. Respect for the rights of others is a two way street yet only a very few seem capable of recognizing it as such. Someone once said "I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it". That's an ideal worth striving for.

How is this in any way relevant to what I said to LadySpock?

[Bardas]

Originally Posted by Clueless To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Your argument is bullshit. It only comes down to whether every individual has the right to their own opinions, and they do. You. don't. have. to. like. it. But they do. Thinking that being "open-minded" ends with recognizing the rights of others to behave as they wish is sort of the ultimate hypocrisy. Others also have the right to believe/think as they wish. Respect for the rights of others is a two way street yet only a very few seem capable of recognizing it as such. Someone once said "I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it". That's an ideal worth striving for.

Have all the opinions you want. Don't oppress others with them. Simple as that.

[AnaK]

	Originally Posted by Bardas To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I don't follow your reasoning.

It doesn't seem to outrage all that many people when gay people kiss. Imagine that. What DOES outrage people is when an elected official starts acting like an oppressive mafia boss and thinks he has the power to keep businesses out of his town if the CEO says something he doesn't agree with.

[Imperator]

	Originally Posted by Ray9 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	This is the way they (liberals) conduct themselves because they have ideas that are so correct there's just no other side to the argument that matters. I feel compelled to point this out for anyone who might care.

In my experience, liberals are less likely to shut off a discussion thinking there's only one side than conservatives.

Remind me which type of Christian you are so I can have you denounced as a heretic by the other types of Christians as a demonstration.

[Bardas]

	Originally Posted by AnaK To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	It doesn't seem to outrage all that many people when gay people kiss. Imagine that. What DOES outrage people is when an elected official starts acting like an oppressive mafia boss and thinks he has the power to keep businesses out of his town if the CEO says something he doesn't agree with.

Is that supposed to prove a point? Argumentum ad populum?

He did think he had the right, realized he didn't, and apologized for his rash statement. Also, stop claiming all Cathy did was talk. He funds anti-gay lobbying with the proceeds from his company. That is why pro-gay rights citizens are protesting.

[Arcanist]

	Originally Posted by vampyroteuthis To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	*sigh* Well, at least you're welcoming me.

It's really terrible here. Maybe a bit better on the coasts than in middle America, but not by much. I live in Wyoming and I was almost fired when it was revealed (and I tried my hardest to hide the fact) that I don't follow the One True For Realsies Faith™. Hell, I live in the town where Matthew Shepard was executed back in 1998. I can't imagine being a gay person in Wyoming...

[AnaK]

	Originally Posted by Bardas To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Is that supposed to prove a point? Argumentum ad populum? He did think he had the right, realized he didn't, and apologized for his rash statement. Also, stop claiming all Cathy did was talk. He funds anti-gay lobbying with the proceeds from his company. That is why pro-gay rights citizens are protesting.

People who don't agree with you are allowed to.participate in the political process. Oh, but.maybe spraying graffiti would be more appropriate?

How stupid is that Mayor to not know what he did was wrong?

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	Originally Posted by Arcanist To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	It's really terrible here. Maybe a bit better on the coasts than in middle America, but not by much. I live in Wyoming and I was almost fired when it was revealed (and I tried my hardest to hide the fact) that I don't follow the One True For Realsies Faith™. Hell, I live in the town where Matthew Shepard was executed back in 1998. I can't imagine being a gay person in Wyoming...

I work in a smallish town in the Midwest. All through June, the company had a huge rainbow flag in a main lobby as well as a lot of posters supporting gay rights. I don't think all that many people are actually anti-gay.
(And I have crystals on my desk. My boss asked me about them and I started telling her their supposed healing properties. )

[Clueless]

	Originally Posted by Bardas To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Have all the opinions you want. Don't oppress others with them. Simple as that.

I'm not responsible for your feelings. If in hearing my stated opinion you feel oppressed that's your problem. Deal with it.