[sunitaishot]

Originally Posted by SeverusSin To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Its wrong to hit people because to intentionally intend to cause harm of any kind to another human being is fundamentally wrong. Its not wrong because someone is weaker than someone else or someone has different genitals or someone is perceived to be "right". Its wrong because the concept of intentionally harming another living being is a fundamental wrong within the framework of humanity. I didn't realise it was any more complex than that.

Perchance, where did your supposed absolute arise from?

[SeverusSin]

	Originally Posted by sunitaishot To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Perchance, where did your supposed absolute arise from?

Humanity. Empathy maybe. Who knows. I thought it was common sense that intending to harm others was wrong.

[setsume]

Women are on average weaker and more vulnerable. If you must hit a woman, do it gently. How hard you hit an infant to teach it not to do something. Very lightly.

[UltraIncredible]

Originally Posted by SeverusSin To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Its wrong to hit people because to intentionally intend to cause harm of any kind to another human being is fundamentally wrong. Its not wrong because someone is weaker than someone else or someone has different genitals or someone is perceived to be "right". Its wrong because the concept of intentionally harming another living being is a fundamental wrong within the framework of humanity. I didn't realise it was any more complex than that.

What about self-defense?

[Kearley65]

	Originally Posted by UltraIncredible To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	What about self-defense?

I guess if you are jumped by a woman ninja it would be alright to fight back. I hope you know some muay thai so you can defend yourself.
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[plotthickens]

	Originally Posted by setsume To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Women are on average weaker and more vulnerable. If you must hit a woman, do it gently. How hard you hit an infant to teach it not to do something. Very lightly.

Ah. Justifying hitting women via child abuse. Perfect. "What do you tell a woman with two black eyes?" "Nothing you haven't told her twice already!"

[Bisclavret]

For the same reasons it is wrong to hit a man...

[Eridal]

	Originally Posted by setsume To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Women are on average weaker and more vulnerable. If you must hit a woman, do it gently. How hard you hit an infant to teach it not to do something. Very lightly.

So women are like children and need society to protect them from the world? Is that what you're saying because if so that is a very sexist view of the world. Women while on average weaker physically are not so weak that it is impossible to defend themselves and training goes a long way in learning to use even inferior strength to great effect.

[setsume]

	Originally Posted by plotthickens To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Ah. Justifying hitting women via child abuse. Perfect. "What do you tell a woman with two black eyes?" "Nothing you haven't told her twice already!"

Physical punishment of children is very effective means of disciplining your children. And your wife, if words do not suffice.

[plotthickens]

	Originally Posted by setsume To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Physical punishment of children is very effective means of disciplining your children. And your wife, if words do not suffice.

Yep. Rule of Thumb, right?

[setsume]

	Originally Posted by Eridal To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	So women are like children and need society to protect them from the world? Is that what you're saying because if so that is a very sexist view of the world. Women while on average weaker physically are not so weak that it is impossible to defend themselves and training goes a long way in learning to use even inferior strength to great effect.

Women can defend themselves to an extent, I have not denied this. What's wrong with sexism?

[Eridal]

	Originally Posted by plotthickens To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Yep. Rule of Thumb, right?

Do I really need to shot this myth/urban legend down AGAIN?

Originally Posted by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_thumb

The exact origin of the phrase is uncertain. The earliest citation comes from J. Durham’s Heaven upon Earth, 1685, ii. 217: "Many profest Christians are like to foolish builders, who build by guess, and by rule of thumb."[1] The phrase also exists in other languages, for example Swedish tumregel, Norwegian and Danish tommelfingerregel, sometimes in the variant "rule of fist", for example Finnish nyrkkisääntö, German Faustregel or Dutch vuistregel, as well as in Persian "قاعده سرانگشتی," which is translated as finger's tip rule. This suggests that it has some antiquity, and does not originate in specifically English-language culture.

Originally Posted by http://womenshistory.about.com/od/mythsofwomenshistory/a/rule_of_thumb.htm

"Rule of thumb" is a rude reference to an old law permitting men to beat their wives with a stick no thicker than a thumb, right? Wrong! Well, except that it may still be rude to use a phrase that you know will upset people. It may also be rude to assume that people who use the phrase are being rude. (Isn't etiquette wonderful?) According to many attempts to research this history, the phrase "rule of thumb" predates by a couple of centuries the first known reference that connects it to a supposed law or custom about wife-beating.

[UltraIncredible]

	Originally Posted by Kearley65 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I guess if you are jumped by a woman ninja it would be alright to fight back. I hope you know some muay thai so you can defend yourself. To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I wasn't referring specifically to self-defense against women, but self-defense in general. When someone says "it's wrong to hit any human, ever" it makes me wonder whether they don't think people have a right to defend themselves if attacked.

	Originally Posted by setsume To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	What's wrong with sexism?

If you actually have to ask that question then you probably aren't going to care what's wrong with it.

[setsume]

	Originally Posted by UltraIncredible To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	If you actually have to ask that question then you probably aren't going to care what's wrong with it.

That makes no sense. If you really wanted to know what's wrong with it, then wouldn't asking be easiest way to find out?

[Eridal]

	Originally Posted by setsume To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	That makes no sense. If you really wanted to know what's wrong with it, then wouldn't asking be easiest way to find out?

So tell me then why is sexism ok? Why is it right to treat someone legally different simply because of their gender?

[UltraIncredible]

	Originally Posted by setsume To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	That makes no sense. If you really wanted to know what's wrong with it, then wouldn't asking be easiest way to find out?

At best, lower income, substandard education/employment/life chances, and discrimination against equally or more competent individuals.

At worst, casual acceptance and enabling of violence, abuse, rape, victim blaming, and sexual exploitation.

Do you not find anything wrong with that?

[setsume]

	Originally Posted by UltraIncredible To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	At best, lower income, substandard education/employment/life chances, and discrimination against equally or more competent individuals. At worst, casual acceptance and enabling of violence, abuse, rape, victim blaming, and sexual exploitation. Do you not find anything wrong with that?

I don't think sexism entails any of those things. If you think some forms of sexism is wrong, then that's a different issue. If X is sexism, and some kinds of sexism is wrong, it does not follow that X is wrong.

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	Originally Posted by Eridal To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	So tell me then why is sexism ok? Why is it right to treat someone legally different simply because of their gender?

If sexism is wrong in some but not all circumstances, then a blanket "sexism is ok" would be as incorrect as "sexism is wrong".

[UltraIncredible]

	Originally Posted by setsume To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I don't think sexism entails any of those things. If you think some forms of sexism is wrong, then that's a different issue. If X is sexism, and some kinds of sexism is wrong, it does not follow that X is wrong.

You asked what's wrong with sexism in general, not for an overview of all 57 flavors of it. Most people on here agree that there are huge biological differences between men and women. That in itself is not sexism. Believing that someone is automatically superior or inferior because of those differences is. And it does lead to everything I listed.

[Eridal]

	Originally Posted by setsume To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	If sexism is wrong in some but not all circumstances, then a blanket "sexism is ok" would be as incorrect as "sexism is wrong".

I disagree with your basic premise that sexism is not wrong in some circumstances as I believe it is always wrong to discriminate against someone solely because of their gender.

But just for entertainment purposes what do you believe is acceptable sexism?

[setsume]

	Originally Posted by UltraIncredible To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	You asked what's wrong with sexism in general, not for an overview of all 57 flavors of it. Most people on here agree that there are huge biological differences between men and women. That in itself is not sexism. Believing that someone is automatically superior or inferior because of those differences is. And it does lead to everything I listed.

What do you mean by automatically superior or inferior? The eye is good at seeing, the heart is good at pumping blood, the hand is good at grabbing. They are not good at each other's tasks. Is one superior to another? The carpenter is good at building, the blacksmith is good at forging. Which is superior? And I don't see how it leads to everything you listed.

---------- Post added 07-21-2012 at 12:48 PM ----------

	Originally Posted by Eridal To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I disagree with your basic premise that sexism is not wrong in some circumstances as I believe it is always wrong to discriminate against someone solely because of their gender. But just for entertainment purposes what do you believe is acceptable sexism?

I didn't say it was not wrong in some circumstances. I said *if* it is not wrong in some circumstances...

[Kearley65]

	Originally Posted by UltraIncredible To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I wasn't referring specifically to self-defense against women, but self-defense in general. When someone says "it's wrong to hit any human, ever" it makes me wonder whether they don't think people have a right to defend themselves if attacked.

I believe that everyone has the right to defend themselves not for any moral reason but is an animal instinct to protect oneself from an attacker. If not, someone is getting hit and they are just suppose to take a punishment. That just does not seem right.

[1F5]

In first place you should though: why do you want to hit her? is strictly necessary?

[Cooper]

	Originally Posted by setsume To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Physical punishment of children is very effective means of disciplining your children. And your wife, if words do not suffice.

Does this mean I can kick your ass if you don't do what I want you to? Same "logic".

[setsume]

	Originally Posted by Cooper To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Does this mean I can kick your ass if you don't do what I want you to? Same "logic".

I meant only what I said.

[sunitaishot]

	Originally Posted by Bisclavret To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	For the same reasons it is wrong to hit a man...

why is it wrong to hit a man?

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	Originally Posted by UltraIncredible To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I wasn't referring specifically to self-defense against women, but self-defense in general. When someone says "it's wrong to hit any human, ever" it makes me wonder whether they don't think people have a right to defend themselves if attacked. If you actually have to ask that question then you probably aren't going to care what's wrong with it.

Isn't morality subjective? why does it matter if sexism is wrong?