Several shot dead and 50+ injured at Batman screening, Denver USA. - Page 5

**Kisai** · 07-20-2012, 11:37 AM

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	Hey, Kisai, you're fucking WRONG.

I hope I am. Good for you, Silence.

**Fishism** · 07-20-2012, 11:44 AM

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	Why? What have they done to deserve it? The people of Damascus, now they are fighting tanks, they are more worthy of respect. This lot aint done nothing.

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	Damascus is a lot closer to me than Denver.

So if you live by the "closer to home" ideal exemplified by your geographic proximity to Damascus why are you being so insensitive to those in the US and specifically Denver abiding by the same "closer to home" principle?

**Warrior** · 07-20-2012, 11:52 AM

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	If one wants to protect himself, well that's why the police exist, to maintain law and order and be the thin blue line.

This very situation says otherwise. No one has a police officer with them 24/7. It is not possible for the police to protect everyone all the time. Besides that, courts have ruled that police have no duty to intervene to protect someone.

**ppu6502** · 07-20-2012, 11:58 AM

Well, of course he's from San Diego.

The psychopaths gotta come from somewhere, after all. They're mass produced here.

**firebee** · 07-20-2012, 12:19 PM

Trivial local trivia moment:

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the map of the shooting location off of the Reddit timeline. If you go west across the highway on Alameda to Potomac and then north to just short of Ellsworth, what you find is one of the better indoor shooting ranges in the area and a well-stocked gun store. I note, on account of I've been down there to shoot several times and bought one of my guns there.

Bet they've had an awkward morning...

**Jesus** · 07-20-2012, 01:02 PM

Fyi this guy (Homles) is an intj.

-Neuroscience ph.d student.

-Very knowledgeable about firearms and military planning

-No emotions when killing

How would you intjs prevent this? How do you talk to your fellow kind?

I know for personal experience intjs have very nasty tempers, so rationalizing and letting them know about all the possibilities just annoys them. Hard negotiating to the point of even threating does work, but it can't be the best solution.

**ppu6502** · 07-20-2012, 01:03 PM

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	Fyi this guy (Homles) is an intj.

Dear everybody on the planet,

Please stop confusing INTJs with sociopaths.

Storm · 07-20-2012, 01:04 PM

Isolated incident or larger social problem? Hard to say.

If it is part of a trend, then I wouldn't blame it on guns or video games or rap music or what not. If anything, it's things that are harder to address - like there not being good treatment available for mental illness, the stigma against mental illnesses, and perhaps environmental/social factors making mental illness increasingly common.

**IslandHead** · 07-20-2012, 01:07 PM

	Originally Posted by Storm To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Isolated incident or larger social problem? Hard to say. If it is part of a trend, then I wouldn't blame it on guns or video games or rap music or what not. If anything, it's things that are harder to address - like there not being good treatment available for mental illness, the stigma against mental illnesses, and perhaps environmental/social factors making mental illness increasingly common.

These mass shootings are rather frequent

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This is the 7th shooting in the US in July of this year...

This suggests that is it may be a larger social problem, rather than an isolated incident.

**Jesus** · 07-20-2012, 01:15 PM

The whole point of myers briggs and the positive psychology movement is that people are not really mentally ill rather, just different.

I.e. a stj thinks a p is lazy and needs to be on Ritalin. or and esfp thinks everyone is boring and anti social.

This guy is an intj, that was either mistreated by someone or had the wrong information. Since NT are not personal they are not going to have compassion for other people. They need a rational explanation for everything.

**IslandHead** · 07-20-2012, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by Jesus
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The whole point of myers briggs and the positive psychology movement is that people are not really mentally ill rather, just different.

I.e. a stj thinks a p is lazy and needs to be on Ritalin. or and esfp thinks everyone is boring and anti social.

This guy is an intj, that was either mistreated by someone or had the wrong information. Since NT are not personal they are not going to have compassion for other people.

You're wrong.... You're wrong on many things in that post....

For starters the positive psychology movement does believe there are mental illnesses.

**ppu6502** · 07-20-2012, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by Jesus
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The whole point of myers briggs and the positive psychology movement is that people are not really mentally ill rather, just different.

I.e. a stj thinks a p is lazy and needs to be on Ritalin. or and esfp thinks everyone is boring and anti social.

This guy is an intj, that was either mistreated by someone or had the wrong information. Since NT are not personal they are not going to have compassion for other people. They need a rational explanation for everything.

This is complete bullshit.

MBTI doesn't even apply to sociopaths, and sociopaths have very little, only superficial, similarities to your typical INTJ.

**plotthickens** · 07-20-2012, 01:20 PM

	Originally Posted by Kisai To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I want them to be assholish, plot. Uncomfortable truth.

So you knew that you were posting asshole comments. Which I hope you knew would draw fire. And now you're arguing against that fire... why? Action ... reaction, and you're making fun of the reaction?

Were you just hoping to spark emotional debate for some other motivation you have yet to disclose?

**Kisai** · 07-20-2012, 01:25 PM


	some other motivation you have yet to disclose?

Nope, just to reveal hypocrisy.

People are, of course, emotionally attached to being called a hypocrite, but that's a byproduct.

DesertKnight · 07-20-2012, 01:26 PM

I dislike when people try to use MBTI to explain every facet of a person and what they think or how they feel. Base lines are exactly that a base, that you build on and develop not a strict set of rules you can't possibly deviate from.

Pointless narrow viewpoints like that are what make problems like this all the more difficult to address.

Also, terrible thing that happened and an excellent example of what people who are both insane and intelligent are capable of. It bothers me deeply that no one on hand was capable of stopping the individual, but if tear gas was used it is understandable...need to start carrying a mask with me everywhere it seems.

This does not help with my constant paranoia, thanks world for reaffirming my need to be a super hero
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(I realize levity is probably a bad idea, but its either that or rage...take your pick).

**plotthickens** · 07-20-2012, 01:30 PM

	Originally Posted by Kisai To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Nope, just to reveal hypocrisy. People are, of course, emotionally attached to being called a hypocrite, but that's a byproduct.

You see it as hypocritical to say "That horrible tragedy is horrible" without enumerating every other tragedy that happened that day/week/month/year in the same very long run-on sentence?

**bawb** · 07-20-2012, 01:44 PM

	Originally Posted by Jesus To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Fyi this guy (Homles) is an intj. -Neuroscience ph.d student. -Very knowledgeable about firearms and military planning -No emotions when killing

I was wondering when someone was going to type him.

He also set of a loud noise making devise in his booby-trapped apartment. Supposedly to draw and harm first responders away from the movie theater. He put a lot of thought in this.
Now he gets to spend the next 20-30 years supported by taxpayers in the isolation he wants.
[Neighbors said he wouldn't even reply to a hello , passing in the hallway.

	Originally Posted by IslandHead To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	These mass shootings are rather frequent To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. This is the 7th shooting in the US in July of this year... This suggests that is it may be a larger social problem, rather than an isolated incident.

And 3 of those 7 shooting were in Chicago, IL., one of the places with more gun control than the rest of the nation. So your point is?

**Kisai** · 07-20-2012, 01:44 PM

	Originally Posted by plotthickens To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	You see it as hypocritical to say "That horrible tragedy is horrible" without enumerating every other tragedy that happened that day/week/month/year in the same very long run-on sentence?

No, I find that there are complete ponces who pretend to be "good guys" so that they can trot out calling people names for the sake of righteousness.

But you and I both know that the only folks going to be enraged by being called a hypocrite are the hypocrites themselves.

We can point and laugh at them together!

Storm · 07-20-2012, 01:44 PM

	Originally Posted by IslandHead To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	These mass shootings are rather frequent To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. This is the 7th shooting in the US in July of this year... This suggests that is it may be a larger social problem, rather than an isolated incident.

I tried opening the pdf, but it didn't work for me. I went to the webpage sponsoring it, though, and they seem to be talking about any kinds of shootings at all, not just lunatically shootings. The group is advocating that guns are the root cause of violence.

Then I saw this fact from their Fact Page:


	18,223 people who killed themselves and 3,031 people who survived a suicide attempt with a gun

This goes back to what I was saying about mental illness. People who attempt suicide don't so because a gun is available to them, they do it usually because they have a mental illness that went untreated. There are also situations where people may commit suicide due to other factors (a la It's a Beautiful Life). Banning guns isn't going to help these people. Just push them to find other ways to commit suicide.

**plotthickens** · 07-20-2012, 01:47 PM

	Originally Posted by Kisai To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	No, I find that there are complete ponces who pretend to be "good guys" so that they can trot out calling people names for the sake of righteousness.

So you think that posters who said they were worried are really just self-righteous assholes? And that your making fun of them/this tragedy somehow balances the Asshole Equation?

**Kisai** · 07-20-2012, 01:49 PM

	Originally Posted by plotthickens To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	So you think that posters who said they were worried are really just self-righteous assholes? And that your making fun of them/this tragedy somehow balances the Asshole Equation?

Certainly not. Its the people who get angry and start spouting names who are the hypocrites who aren't very nice people at all. I'm looking for those sorts of people to rile up. If those sorts of people are revealed as wolves wearing sheep's clothing, then its better for all.

The rest of the people can consider making a lasting social change in the world rather than going through the hoops. The people actually affected don't need any lessons from me.

**plotthickens** · 07-20-2012, 01:51 PM

	Originally Posted by Kisai To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Certainly not. Its the people who get angry and start spouting names who are the hypocrites who aren't very nice people at all. I'm looking for those sorts of people to rule up.

So people who call you names are hypocritical and not-very-nice-people-at-all, and thus they deserve to be riled up?

**Kisai** · 07-20-2012, 01:52 PM

	Originally Posted by plotthickens To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	So people who call you names are hypocritical and not-very-nice-people-at-all, and thus they deserve to be riled up?

No, hypocrites who do so are.

**plotthickens** · 07-20-2012, 01:58 PM

	Originally Posted by plotthickens To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	So people who call you names are hypocritical and not-very-nice-people-at-all, and thus they deserve to be riled up?

	Originally Posted by Kisai To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	No, hypocrites who do so are.

Hypocrites who get riled up deserve to be riled up? That makes no sense.

You're getting really evasive and most of your responses so far are not congruent with previous statements. I just want to point out that your posts (and your continuing to try to justify them through poor logic and shifty hand-waving) are seen as disgusting and childish.

**Kisai** · 07-20-2012, 02:03 PM


	? That makes no sense.

I'll make it very clear so you can understand.

I'm making points in this thread that the reaction to this event is a social ritual that people go over and over again so they can excuse themselves from making any lasting change.

I'm also baiting those hypocrites who pretend to be "good guys" but really are just belligerent people who enjoy fighting in some smug, pretentious manner just to fight. These hypocrites do a terrible disservice to their own cause. If I can locate and point them out, it helps those who are genuine (more or less) realize hypocrisy. Its like people who hate hate groups. They fight fire with fire and just show that their own cause is the same as their opponents.

If you're confused anywhere, I'll try to help you understand.

07-20-2012, 11:58 AM	#104
ppu6502 Special Snowflake MBTI: INTj Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 11,496	Well, of course he's from San Diego. The psychopaths gotta come from somewhere, after all. They're mass produced here.
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07-20-2012, 12:19 PM	#105
firebee Core Member [117%] MBTI: INTP Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 4,707	Trivial local trivia moment: To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. the map of the shooting location off of the Reddit timeline. If you go west across the highway on Alameda to Potomac and then north to just short of Ellsworth, what you find is one of the better indoor shooting ranges in the area and a well-stocked gun store. I note, on account of I've been down there to shoot several times and bought one of my guns there. Bet they've had an awkward morning...
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07-20-2012, 01:02 PM	#106
Jesus New Member [01%] MBTI: intp Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 16	Fyi this guy (Homles) is an intj. -Neuroscience ph.d student. -Very knowledgeable about firearms and military planning -No emotions when killing How would you intjs prevent this? How do you talk to your fellow kind? I know for personal experience intjs have very nasty tempers, so rationalizing and letting them know about all the possibilities just annoys them. Hard negotiating to the point of even threating does work, but it can't be the best solution.
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07-20-2012, 01:04 PM	#108
Storm Administrator MBTI: xxxx Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 14,680	Isolated incident or larger social problem? Hard to say. If it is part of a trend, then I wouldn't blame it on guns or video games or rap music or what not. If anything, it's things that are harder to address - like there not being good treatment available for mental illness, the stigma against mental illnesses, and perhaps environmental/social factors making mental illness increasingly common.
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07-20-2012, 01:15 PM	#110
Jesus New Member [01%] MBTI: intp Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 16	The whole point of myers briggs and the positive psychology movement is that people are not really mentally ill rather, just different. I.e. a stj thinks a p is lazy and needs to be on Ritalin. or and esfp thinks everyone is boring and anti social. This guy is an intj, that was either mistreated by someone or had the wrong information. Since NT are not personal they are not going to have compassion for other people. They need a rational explanation for everything.
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07-20-2012, 01:26 PM	#115
DesertKnight Veteran Member [61%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 2,471	I dislike when people try to use MBTI to explain every facet of a person and what they think or how they feel. Base lines are exactly that a base, that you build on and develop not a strict set of rules you can't possibly deviate from. Pointless narrow viewpoints like that are what make problems like this all the more difficult to address. Also, terrible thing that happened and an excellent example of what people who are both insane and intelligent are capable of. It bothers me deeply that no one on hand was capable of stopping the individual, but if tear gas was used it is understandable...need to start carrying a mask with me everywhere it seems. This does not help with my constant paranoia, thanks world for reaffirming my need to be a super hero To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. (I realize levity is probably a bad idea, but its either that or rage...take your pick).
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