[malia80]

I wouldn’t say that being attractive/unattractive necessarily makes one’s life any easier or harder. I would say it really depends on the individual’s perception of reality and what qualities the value most in themselves. I am attractive but have always found it to be more of a challenge than an advantage. As a introvert, it makes me very uncomfortable when people approach me and/or make comments about my attractiveness. In addition, beauty is not something that I’ve ever worked for or aspired to so it is quite frustrating when people identify if it were some quality worth merit. I am also very smart but have found that it is sometimes a challenge to be taken seriously and to be acknowledged for my accomplishments.

[Zodd]

Ok, first let's talk with this:
1. thinking someone has a higher chance of being some way, but not acting on it.
2. thinking someone has a higher chance of being some way, and acting on it.
1b. fully believing someone is a certain way, and not acting on it.
2b. fully believing someone is a certain way, and acting on it.

Originally Posted by leslissocool To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

What makes it less fair for someone to make an assumption of first glance than any other impression, like a post on the internet or something, or a testscore or whatever? It's not, in fact. And I never said it was. Making assumptions about someone because of a post on the internet is a highly emotional response. Justify it as much as you like, but in the end you are casting judgement WITHOUT enough information, based on personal beliefs or emotions. Tests scores are a unit of measurement to see how much you know about a very specific subject. Any of those linked guys can show up dressed like a clown and ace the test if they studied the material, independently of how negatively you will judge them.

Well, what if I told my whole life in a post? And all my thoughts in one post? And make every philosophical, IQ, personality etc. test and post them here. What more information do you have about your friends IRL? What do you know about your friends? You know how they react physically and the tone of their voice? Is that it? And you can judge them? What about your husband? What do you know about them? What is it that he says that you are able to judge him?

	Originally Posted by leslissocool To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	No, you don't know anyone 100% but you do, over time, gather enough information to see their big picture, to learn their like and dislikes and to see behavioral patters. Which judging solely based on their looks you will dismiss.

So do you know someone 100%, or do you not? I doubt that you know what they are thinking right at this moment.

Originally Posted by leslissocool To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Honestly? I don't hand my purse to anyone, and if I had to hire someone I'd honestly do an intensive check to see if the person is qualified. If their personal attire were to cause problems, I'd ask them to tone it down at work. I wouldn't send off a perfectly qualified person away JUST because I irrationally think he/she is a douge bag. That's like not hiring blonds because they are dumb. That's highly irrational, judgmental and superficial.

If you need to go to the bathroom, and the security guard of the bathroom says you can't bring in your purse, and those two guys are the only one outside the bathroom. Who'd you pick? They sit at the same distance from you. Wouldn't you think that the Asian kid would less likely grab something from your purse?

	Originally Posted by leslissocool To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Now addressing your bold statement... How are you not hurting people by discriminating against them? That's like judging someone because of race, ethnicity and that's flat out racism. You are denying them jobs because of LOOKS and perpetuating irrational stereotypes.

You aren't hurting them personally because you don't know them. You are hurting them in their chanses of speaking with you, but that's life being the most efficient and they are unlucky this time. Races do differ from eachother. If you live in a city with a nice neighborhood with white people and a bad neighborhood with mostly black people, if you meet someone in a place where people from all over the city come, the white people there will probably be nicer than the black people. The problem is not that they are black, but that they come from a bad neighborhood. Foreign people in western countries are more often involved in criminal activities, so when you meet a foreign person the chances are higher that he is involved with criminal activities than a non-foreigner.

Originally Posted by leslissocool To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Honestly I'm actually really good at reading people's body language or noticing thing they like or do more than any other person, but I ma also *AMAZING* at NOT making assumptions about them based on looks, so I can get to know the real person. Have you ever tried telling a anyone "oh man, I just assumed you were a rapist and that's why I started to yell, no hard feelings" or an autistic person " Oh man, I just thought you were a retard, no hard feeling"? Seriously? Unless you have reason to FEEL threatened, you wouldn't go around accusing someone. Or assuming they are retarded unless you have a valid reason to think so, in the autistic kid example they are socially awkward. You won't go around calling people idiots or retards by looking at them, of seeing ONE awkward social situation. That's again, judgmental and highly emotional and irrational.

You can still put energy in trying to know someone eventhough you do 1 or 2 (what I first said in this post). I already said no one can no anyone for a 100%, so why would I yell at a guy in a bar that he is a rapist?

It isn't emotional and irrational at all since retards are socially awkward often.

Originally Posted by leslissocool To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I have ADHD To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. and all the "assumptions" people make about us are SO FAR from the truth. IRL everyone can't believe I have it. I did really well at school and learn to control and focus.I do have personal opinions on drug abusers, low IQ, religious extremists and judgmental assess who can't think outside their box. However that's what they are - PERSONAL OPINIONS and not some kind of universal truth or measurement unit.. I don't go around IMPOSING them and judging people based on them. I see someone dressed like a slut and I think "she is dressed like a slut" and not "Wow look at that slut". That's the difference between judging someone based on their appearance and not.

Clothing is also a personal opinion. Just like with what the things you agreed you have personal opinions on what you said here, you don't know their reason for why they abuse drugs and are extremely religious. Also IQ IS a measurement. You also agreed here that sluts have clothing similar to eachother. By this I think you also think that the example I gave about someone needing to hire an employee would be more effective in dismissing the guidos (guys who look like the guy in the picture) at first glance.

[Chaotic Enigma]

Stupid people are just jealous because they don't have your brains nor your looks. You do your business and be successful. Let them rot in envy.

[Vermillion]

	Originally Posted by Megalomania To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	They have done scientific studies showing that being attractive is pretty much universally beneficial. It's not really up for debate.

Total bullshit. I walk a trail of sorrow and broken hearts every day of my life. Do you have any idea how torturous it is to break the hearts of so many girls who want my cockasaurus-rex? Some days, I just go home and weep tears of purity and kindness for all the women who had their soul cores crushed simply because I am a man of standards and principals.

Being a modern day Adonis/Jesus/Thor/Zeus/Zheng He/Blond Tom Cruise is hard. I once even though of killing myself just to spare women across the globe the devastating heart-breaking sorrow that scars them for the rest of their lives. For once a woman looks upon me she is ruined, her standards have become irrevocably high and pitiful ordinary guys seems like lumps of gray Play-Dough and used condoms in comparison to my glory.

But I could never kill myself, and deny this world the ever shining sun that is myself. For if I were to die, surly this world and universe would collapse in upon itself into a never-ending black-hole of torturous agony from which it would never return.

So for all of you average looking people out there, who's minds can't even conceive of what it is like to be me, just trust me, being attractive is hard. It is a burden I bear willingly for the sake of mankind. And for all of you women who had your lives ruined by my awesomeness, I am truly sorry and my heart aches for you each and every second on the clock.

[angelina]

Contrary to popular belief; we have it harder.

[KeepItReal]

Beautiful people always have an advantage in the every day aspects of life like getting a job or getting good service in a restaurant.

In matters of relationships though, it can become a major obstacle. Knowing you can have anyone you want means you are never satisfied with what you have.

[Zodd]

	Originally Posted by KeepItReal To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	In matters of relationships though, it can become a major obstacle. Knowing you can have anyone you want means you are never satisfied with what you have.

Even I find this ridicilous. What you just said I meant.

[KeepItReal]

Why do you find it ridiculous instead of being logical?

[Zodd]

Eventhough I myself prefer looks over mind, but nobody else says that. It's also not that out of a 100 people 99 are butt ugly and 1 is stunning. Sure looks count, more than people say, but you are really really really exagerating.

[KeepItReal]

Perhaps I mean it more generally but I do believe my point is true for most highly attractive people. It doesn't matter who you are with, there will always be something better around the corner, especially as you get older.

[LiveNotOnEvil]

Well if it is true then I'm gonna get one hell of an easy road in life
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[Zodd]

	Originally Posted by KeepItReal To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Perhaps I mean it more generally but I do believe my point is true for most highly attractive people. It doesn't matter who you are with, there will always be something better around the corner, especially as you get older.

Well, it only counts for people who are really really wanted then, because only they can't find someone who is their equal. Most people come across atleast someone who is their equal atleast once a year.

And this isn't about looks anymore, also status, money and the combinatation of those 3 that is more important. With girls sometimes less so. I mean girls are generally rated like 75% looks, 25% other stuff and guys are more like 25% looks and 75% other stuff.

[Atamagahen]

Things are usually pretty tough for me, and I consider my looks average. Maybe even slightly above average at best.

[Kadadj]

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[Shahira]

You're a little late...

[Kadadj]

Did someone post that already? =(
I read the first page, and concluded that the next 11 pages probably said the same thing reworded, so I skipped it.

[firebird3428]

I don't really know. I think it depends on where you come from. Being attractive can get you into terribly unfortunate situations in certain areas, especially in countries where human trafficking/kidnapping are big issues. My mom is very attractive, and she was almost kidnapped twice, while she was in Haiti. Anyway, but in countries like the U.S., being attractive definitely has more advantages than disadvantages.
Pros:
-You have more choices for mates
-People are more willing to help you out/give you free stuff
-You get more opportunities
-Babies like you =D (they say babies are more intrigued by attractive faces)

Cons:
-Jealousy
-It's much harder to have or find genuine relationships (you have mostly acquaintances not real friends)
-You get unwanted attention from all types of suitors
-In some cases (I think this mostly applies to extroverted attractive people), they lack a personality and have identity issues.
-As they age they have a much harder time coming to terms with losing their beauty (this applies to mostly women)

My question is, how do you know if you're above average or extremely attractive, or ugly? Does it depend on how friendly people are with you, how many people try to hit on you, if you get comments? So how would you know if people are treating you a certain way because you're attractive? Just curious...

[dnordstrom]

It depends on your definition of "harder" and "easier". They're actually two sides of the same coin of existence, and by that definition they have it just as hard as anyone else, just in different ways.

Another way to look at it would be that it's harder to have it easier since there's no contrast and nothing hard to make easy -- actually making it harder. See my first paragraph.

[Mohammad]

Everyone has their own set of troubles. I for one would not like to exchange mine for others', whether they are attractive people or not.

[Kadadj]

No, but attractive people do have it "easier". But as someone mentioned, everyone has their problems, and if they don't, they will create them. Peoples perception of problems tend to warp, if they have "mild" problems, but nothing worse to compare them to, they will feel that those problems are in fact serious. I would think that this is more prominent in people with low self-awareness.
And sorry if I'm just repeating something someone else above me said.

[Tough Love]

	Originally Posted by Kadadj To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	No, but attractive people do have it "easier". B

Easier in what sense?

I think everyone 'suffers' a certain level of confusion when it comes to their best assets. Attractive people might have doors opened for them in some areas, regardless of their intelligence, but will most certainly have some slammed in their faces when it comes to others, again, regardless of their intelligence. I don't see how this topic can be discussed rationally.

I wouldn't be surprised if those who think attractive people have it easier are under confident about their looks and those who think attractive people have it more difficult are under confident about their little grey cells.

Apple/ Orange

[Zsych]

I am of the opinion that people are less critical of attractive people and that that in turn tends to have a negative affect on their mental development. Like an attractive girl might say something really stupid and a guy might just act like she said something brilliant so that type of limited thinking gets reinforced. Especially if that person also learns that they don't seem to particularly need the people that actually are critical of them (for the purposes of living a normal human life where the standards are slow that being amazing or intelligent is typically completely unnecessary)

[Kadadj]

	Originally Posted by Tough Love To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Easier in what sense?

An attractive person will be able to socialize easier, find a partner more easily, people will deal with more shit when it comes to an attractive person, first impressions will be more positive, jobs come easier etc.
This is not something I resent really, It's natural.

[curiousgeorge01]

	Originally Posted by Kadadj To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	An attractive person will be able to socialize easier, find a partner more easily, people will deal with more shit when it comes to an attractive person, first impressions will be more positive, jobs come easier etc. This is not something I resent really, It's natural.

I think a lot of it depends on your sex and personality. I'm deemed attractive by lots of women but as a young INTJ in HS and college I was socially awkward and I had trouble getting dates in my youth and I didn't give good impressions b/c I was considered cold. Even now, I'm def better at it but I find myself distancing from people.

I def don't think I would have the same problem if I were a woman.

[Tough Love]

	Originally Posted by Kadadj To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	An attractive person will be able to socialize easier, find a partner more easily, people will deal with more shit when it comes to an attractive person, first impressions will be more positive, jobs come easier etc. This is not something I resent really, It's natural.

But if these 'bonus'' aren't something an attractive person values, would you still say they have it easier? My point is, i think people put value on what they DON'T have rather than what they do. And if you can't have what you value, or have to work harder than others to get it, thats 'equal' on both sides. To me, its like saying ''Men have it easier than women'' or vice versa.

I think the trick is to make the best of what you have and quit with the complaining ( not you, generally), and just ignore everything else. That in and of itself is an attractive trait.