[elakhael]

I've seen similar threads in this forum, but not answering exactly my question. I hope I'm in the right place of this forum for asking it (and awaiting serious answers), and doing it in the best way (with objectiveness, clarity, etc)

Sparing you of reading another "stupid life story" of the heap, I ended concluding myself and my life is really a worthless, nonsense crap to the world. To the point I've decided to commit suicide, but I have a problem yet; I don't love my parents, but neither hate them. Same applies for anyone else. I'd not like my suicide affects them (I'm really afraid they'd not be fine with it, at all), as I think nobody else would really care about me being dead, so they're my last lock to my objective. No "close" friends, no love stories in my life, no intimal relationships of any kind, nothing, I'm like a ghost. How could I commit suicide minimizing the damage? Is that possible, objectively?

PD: I don't want any kind of help avoiding suicide. I don't want answers like "Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporal problem", "Please don't commit suicide". Do you really think I haven't read something alike before?

[Warrior]

	Originally Posted by elakhael To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Is that possible, objectively?

No.

	Do you really think I haven't read something alike before?

How would anyone know? You spared us all those details . . . .

	Sparing you of reading another "stupid life story" . . . .

[Megalomania]

The answer to your question is no.

[DeaconSyre]

Seriously... why do people keep posting these "make my suicide [logical/ethical/rational/etc]" threads.

You realize that simply by creating this thread you've made your task impossible as my ethics demand I try to stop you. So, your attempted suicide (seriously let's call this what it is) is already affecting people (specifically: me).

You have failed. Shit happens and we all keep going as long as we can. Go take a walk in the woods. Maybe a bear will eat you.

[BlSH0P]

i would just like write a letter to your parents saying you are going away and you'll never see them again, or something, idk. But dude you should write a memoir and post it or send it to us, that would be freaking awesome

[Still Standing]

	Originally Posted by elakhael To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	How could I commit suicide minimizing the damage? Is that possible, objectively?

Either make it look like a stupid accident or pay someone to kill you? That way your parents won't be spending the rest of their lives feeling guilty, wondering where they went wrong and what they could have done differently.

[Autumnleaf]

Originally Posted by elakhael To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I've seen similar threads in this forum, but not answering exactly my question. I hope I'm in the right place of this forum for asking it (and awaiting serious answers), and doing it in the best way (with objectiveness, clarity, etc) Sparing you of reading another "stupid life story" of the heap, I ended concluding myself and my life is really a worthless, nonsense crap to the world. To the point I've decided to commit suicide, but I have a problem yet; I don't love my parents, but neither hate them. Same applies for anyone else. I'd not like my suicide affects them (I'm really afraid they'd not be fine with it, at all), as I think nobody else would really care about me being dead, so they're my last lock to my objective. No "close" friends, no love stories in my life, no intimal relationships of any kind, nothing, I'm like a ghost. How could I commit suicide minimizing the damage? Is that possible, objectively? PD: I don't want any kind of help avoiding suicide. I don't want answers like "Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporal problem", "Please don't commit suicide". Do you really think I haven't read something alike before?

If your life is crap then make another one. To change your life change what you do.

Don't do it. There is so much to live for...


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[Fecal McAngry]

Originally Posted by elakhael To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I've seen similar threads in this forum, but not answering exactly my question. I hope I'm in the right place of this forum for asking it (and awaiting serious answers), and doing it in the best way (with objectiveness, clarity, etc) Sparing you of reading another "stupid life story" of the heap, I ended concluding myself and my life is really a worthless, nonsense crap to the world. To the point I've decided to commit suicide, but I have a problem yet; I don't love my parents, but neither hate them. Same applies for anyone else. I'd not like my suicide affects them (I'm really afraid they'd not be fine with it, at all), as I think nobody else would really care about me being dead, so they're my last lock to my objective. No "close" friends, no love stories in my life, no intimal relationships of any kind, nothing, I'm like a ghost. How could I commit suicide minimizing the damage? Is that possible, objectively? PD: I don't want any kind of help avoiding suicide. I don't want answers like "Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporal problem", "Please don't commit suicide". Do you really think I haven't read something alike before?

Well, please humor me...anyway.

How do you fare on depression screening quizzes such as:


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[Othesemo]

I felt the same way some years ago. However, I didn't end up killing myself, and my life is perfectly happy now.

Just sayin'.

[SirJamesIII]

	Originally Posted by elakhael To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	PD: I don't want any kind of help avoiding suicide. I don't want answers like "Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporal problem", "Please don't commit suicide". Do you really think I haven't read something alike before?

Then why are you posting a thread about the ethics of suicide? If that is your inevitable fate and decision, then why are you concerned about any code of ethic you may or may not be breaking if you commit suicide? If you are objectively immoral for committing suicide, would that be of any concern to you?

	Originally Posted by elakhael To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	How could I commit suicide minimizing the damage? Is that possible, objectively?

So you mean the etiquette of suicide? Is it unethical to not have breakup sex if one breaks up? I doubt it. So I'd also doubt that it would be unethical to commit suicide in some unsavory fashion(unless you consider suicide to be immoral already and you just don't want to exacerbate that). But if you are concerned about that, then just do it right outside of a funeral home with a note taped onto you with directions. Save someone an awkward car trip.

[BuShinJu]

	Originally Posted by elakhael To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	How could I commit suicide minimizing the damage? ?

Take up deep sea fishing, it would be fun, catching marlin and other big fish, spend some money on a neat rig and a nice big boat, you're not going to need money where you are going, take models and escorts out for day trips, they would love it too.

When you get sick of it all punch a hole in the bottom while you are far far away at sea and eat a bunch of tranquilisers taken with alcohol.

	Originally Posted by SirJamesIII To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Is it unethical to not have breakup sex if one breaks up?

Double negatives are unethical kind sir, I can never work out what they mean.

[Konvict]

If you truly don't think your life is worth something then just go for it.

I can promise you that someone else in this world has a worse life story than you and they can still find a reason to live. Don't feel sorry for yourself. Get off the computer and go to a bar, a nightclub, the library, the zoo or some other public place and talk to people. Make some friends. Find a reason to live.

[BuShinJu]

Just wait 3 weeks and see if you are still suicidal. 3 weeks is nothing over eternity.

I went surfing today. The surf was pretty shit but I still caught a good wave. Then I played beach volleyball and had the best game ever, fun and technical, my two favorite concepts combined. Last week I could have killed someone, maybe myself, more likely someone else though.

[Hariar]

There is something inevitably ironic about wanting to minimalise damage that is not necessary to make.

[CreepyCrawly]

To minimise the damage? Hire someone to kill you. Frame them so the evidence points to them anyway. You're an INTJ, surely you can pull off such a simple task.

Whoever would feel bad about your death would likely also feel triumphant, were your murdered to be incarcerated. In the end, you'll have served to instill a (admittedly false) sense of justice in some people. Wonderful, isn't it?

[PRBori]

Hmm... my normal reaction to this will be to find out exactly why you feel that way and find a way to advice against it, but since you do not want that, then go for it.

If you're serious about it you wouldn't be asking people their opinions and/or worry about what others may think of it. Afterall, you will be death.

However, there is always something in life to live for and I think you should give yourself a bit longer to find out what is out-there for you. After all, whether we like it or not there is always a reason for our existence in this complicated world. I've yet to understand how an INTJ would feel like ending their life is the answer to their issues.

[vertigoes]

Suicide is the most frickin selfish thing anybody can do. When you're dead, you're dead forever. Ain't no coming back to see what happens next.

[Still Standing]

	Originally Posted by vertigoes To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Suicide is the most frickin selfish thing anybody can do.

No, the most frickin selfish thing anybody can do is to become pregnant and keep the kid for the wrong reasons and without the skills to be a good enough parent.

[BuShinJu]

	Originally Posted by vertigoes To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Suicide is the most frickin selfish thing anybody can do.

No, the most selfish thing a person can do is see a person in need and go 'fuck them'.

[Monte314]

Warrior and Megalomania are right.

I know people whose kids have committed suicide; they never get over it. It destroys them emotionally, and the scars do not fade. You cannot in any way diminish this.

Not only that, but society will regard them as somehow responsible. They will be secretly despised and looked down upon. Their social lives will be over. In fact, the suicide of a child often sets couples against each other and tears their marriages apart.

[HWSNBN]

I actually feel the same way as you. Except for the fact that I can't have respect for people who commit suicide, and I want to change the world before I die.

[sesquipedalian2]

	Originally Posted by elakhael To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Sparing you of reading another "stupid life story" of the heap, I ended concluding myself and my life is really a worthless, nonsense crap to the world.

I would like to know how you determined this. What makes one "worthless?" The odds that you haven't impacted someone in some way, and the odds that you do not currently impact someone in some way are very slim. Now, does that denote "worth?" Perhaps not. But it does, in my opinion, denote at least some degree of importance.

Additionally, you say you do not want your suicide to affect anyone. It will, inevitably. It's human nature for people to make everything about them. Your parents will most likely be haunted by this action for the rest of their lives. At the very least, they will blame themselves. Will you be willing to accept this?

As for the answer to your question: Not really. If you can somehow make it appear to be an accident, that may minimize it the tiniest bit.

[UltraIncredible]

	Originally Posted by vertigoes To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Suicide is the most frickin selfish thing anybody can do. When you're dead, you're dead forever. Ain't no coming back to see what happens next.

There's a ton of things that are more selfish. Killing someone ELSE. Raping someone. Stealing someone's life savings. Self-righteously guilting a suicidal person.

I was suicidal for quite a while and the only reason I didn't go through with it was so that I wouldn't upset my mom. But that's because I like my mom, not because of all the people online saying "how selfish you are to even think of that".

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	Originally Posted by Konvict To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	If you truly don't think your life is worth something then just go for it. I can promise you that someone else in this world has a worse life story than you and they can still find a reason to live. Don't feel sorry for yourself. Get off the computer and go to a bar, a nightclub, the library, the zoo or some other public place and talk to people. Make some friends. Find a reason to live.

It doesn't matter whether someone's life appears worse or better on the outside. A suicidal person isn't saying "I have the worst existence possible". They're depressed. Their brain chemistry is making them feel like shit. The external world is often irrelevant. Two different people can have the exact same circumstances but different brain chemistry. Someone with bad brain chemistry can have a loving spouse, a great job and all that but still be depressed. And they don't need to be judged negatively for it, they need meds, therapy, healthy food, exercise, and yes, as you correctly noted, social contact.

[sunitaishot]

Suicide lessons persons from the gene pool. let them go ahead lol...

[Purgatid]

It's his life. If he wants to end it, he has the right to.
I don't know why though.
Won't solve a single problem.

Almost no one wants to die, including suiciders. What they want is to not suffer.
Because of the normalization process, ceasing to suffer will happen with time.

But go ahead. I mean why not - no one owns your life besides you, and there's no inherent value in living either. Just understand that nothing will get better from dying. You'll just cease to be. Won't be a relief, won't be anything. Just nothing.