[Nicole1975]

Oh, I never posted what happened when I texted my friends close to her age, "I need ur help. Platform heels... Who wears them, when and why? Ur young..."

One responded that they are stripper shoes and the other two girls said everyone wears them, they said they are worn for fancy dinners... dates, clubbing and most girls wouldn't wear them to a college class. I'm sure they might if they were going out after and didn't want to carry them.

For the record, I own at least three pairs of platform heels, but I wouldn't wear them for something like that and with that. I used to wear the lowest pair with a tank top and jean shorts during the day even like to the mall to go shopping, but since I was dressed casual with dressy shoes, I think it would come across differently.

Also, you're the one who said you wanted to make friends there and assumed the only reason you didn't was that you're attractive. I, on the other hand, don't give so much of a shit what people think. Generally, people either love me or hate me. I'm a cut up. I'm a bitch. I'm a sweetheart... I'm just me. You, on the other hand, as someone pointed out, seem to give a shit what others think.

[Seriously]

Google fashionable shoes and see what comes up. Jesus do any of you people shop?

[Zodd]

	Originally Posted by vampyroteuthis To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	You say it's a diverse place, so that makes it unlikely that people would operate with homogeneous standards of dress, self-presentation, or attractiveness.

Diverse in races. Nobody was clothed the same as Samia, Samia said.

	Originally Posted by Moxiie To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	While I'm at it, how in the fuck did this thread morph into what it has??? To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Almost every post of Samia that I read derailed the thread into her fighting with a bunch of people. This thread also, just after just a couple of posts.

[Nicole1975]

	Originally Posted by deconspire To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	A) Morris Heights stand up. Queens, go home. B) i just thought of this, but attractive women have it harder in nyc. You might as well paint a sign that says "fuck with me" on your back. There are a lot of factors that create that atmosphere, but i guess i'll save those for in case someone disagrees with me.

A) Mets rule, Yankees drool.

B) This is absolutely true-ESPECIALLY if you are white. A lot of people give me a hard time and I think it's because they THINK I have an easy life.

I'm really not denying that attractive women can have it harder. However, the premise of the OP was that harder was that she didn't make friends and the only possible explanation was she's attractive. The worst two days of her life were going somewhere and everyone else seemed make friends and she didn't... I hope she was exaggerating.

[vampyroteuthis]

	Originally Posted by Zodd To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Diverse in races. Nobody was clothed the same as Samia, Samia said.

Fuck. Yes, I missed that and made a big leap. Good point.

[holdyourhead]

So much generalisation and pretentious self-delusion from some people on these forums...

	Originally Posted by Zodd To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Diverse in races. Nobody was clothed the same as Samia, Samia said.

Yeah, that's what I thought. If there was one thing that was significantly different about Samia that day (the physical appearance, as in clothing, etc.) that set her apart from everyone else then it could have been a contributing factor to ignorant people seeing her differently, and also feeling isolated and detached. Those last two words themselves generally tend to mean the same as set apart. Mmm.

But yeah, also the headphones probably. I use them at work to keep people at bay.
To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

[Nicole1975]

Originally Posted by DrCiao To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I am not saying they are pretending to mimic someone else, but certainly Samia and Nicole1975 seem to oddly have voices of 40something ladies who might be pretending to be 19, simply from the content of their posts. They don't sound young to me. To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. I think bitter out of work lawyers and escorts might have a hatred towards men who aren't offering to give them an easy life simply because they're wearing hooker shoes.

Samia says she's 19. I never said I'm 19. That would be pretty retarded to take a name like *1975* and claim I'm 19. I'm 36, you know, a foot in the grave as people are getting at.

[curiousgeorge01]

Originally Posted by Saggita To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

... Read it, darling. Depends on the person and on the comment. "I'd beat that pussy up" was a comment shouted at me today on the bus on my way to my college -- extra physics classes for a tournament -- and I doubt it's something I should expect because of my clothing. My point is that "attention" is possible and likely to be harmful as well. You can't just -- wrongly at times -- simplify things as just comments and just dirty looks because sometimes it's not. That is my point.

I wouldn't necessarily call that harassment. There are some guys who threaten to fight me just b/c they think I'm looking at them threateningly when I'm looking across the room. I just look at them weird and walk away. If they follow me around however, that's something else.

Yes but it's attention she can easily get rid of so if she chooses not to then that's her choice. Also I don't see the relevance of saying they're harmful b/c if nothing done was illegal what do you propose to do about it? Make it illegal to give someone a dirty look? That's pretty much on the person who's receiving it to manage.

	Originally Posted by Saggita To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	You were saying, curiousgeorge and Nicole?

She said "looks like" not "asking for" and on top of that it's hyperbole for saying "looking for attention."

[Distance]

Originally Posted by Nicole1975 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

You'll have to excuse Distance. She's one of those ridiculously high maintenance types who feels the need to argue that pamperings that her type does is somehow for health rather than simple preference on her part. UGH, I do not WANT someone touching my feet. There's no way in H ee double hockey sticks I'm gonna pay them to! ---------- Post added 07-01-2012 at 12:50 PM ---------- Umm, I don't have those problems because I don't wear those awful shoes. I run over 10 miles a week (often 20 to 30). I don't have room to lose my feet. Either way, pedicures are mainly for having pretty feet. If you want to get fungus ridden toenails just to wear heels, have fun. I also, in addition to the running over 10 miles a week, walk another 10 to 20 miles a week. Basically, I put in about 30 miles a week, so no I can't do that in heels. I wear shoes similar to the low heels someone posted when I am dressed up. The rest of the time I wear sneakers, (I put in over 7 miles in my Sauconies today), or I have a bunch of comfy open shoes for summer like peeking toes and sling backs. It's hard to find comfy dress shoes but some flats aren't bad. Also most of you don't live in NYC. Living here, unless you can afford a cab, you'll die in fancy shoes all the time. I wore heels all the time before I lived here, but walking to the subway, standing waiting for the train and standing in the train etc... nah....

Originally Posted by Nicole1975 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Oh, I never posted what happened when I texted my friends close to her age, "I need ur help. Platform heels... Who wears them, when and why? Ur young..." One responded that they are stripper shoes and the other two girls said everyone wears them, they said they are worn for fancy dinners... dates, clubbing and most girls wouldn't wear them to a college class. I'm sure they might if they were going out after and didn't want to carry them. For the record, I own at least three pairs of platform heels, but I wouldn't wear them for something like that and with that. I used to wear the lowest pair with a tank top and jean shorts during the day even like to the mall to go shopping, but since I was dressed casual with dressy shoes, I think it would come across differently. Also, you're the one who said you wanted to make friends there and assumed the only reason you didn't was that you're attractive. I, on the other hand, don't give so much of a shit what people think. Generally, people either love me or hate me. I'm a cut up. I'm a bitch. I'm a sweetheart... I'm just me. You, on the other hand, as someone pointed out, seem to give a shit what others think.

And the tune changes again. What's truth and what's lie?

[Zodd]

Samia. Are you going to change the way you dress now, after reading all this?

Also. What do you think of the way you write on this forum? It's so ineffective and people put words in your mouth that you didn't say. Or do you like that, so you can shoot people down who put words in your mouth? I personally like that. But you come of as more naive because you always say that people shouldn't judge.

[Saggita]

Originally Posted by curiousgeorge01 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I wouldn't necessarily call that harassment. There are some guys who threaten to fight me just b/c they think I'm looking at them threateningly when I'm looking across the room. If they follow me around however, that's something else. Yes but it's attention she can easily get rid of so if she chooses not to then that's her choice. Also I don't see the relevance of saying they're harmful b/c if nothing done was illegal what do you propose to do about it? Make it illegal to give someone a dirty look? That's pretty much on the person who's receiving it. She said "looks like" not "asking for" and on top of that it's hyperbole for saying "looking for attention."

She said "looks like you are asking for a guy to rape you" just because of her clothes (no one dresses looking like asking for rape) and you are starting to go nonsensical again. I will just end it here.

[curiousgeorge01]

	Originally Posted by Saggita To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	She said "looks like you are asking for a guy to rape you" just because of her clothes (no one dresses looking like asking for rape) and you are starting to go nonsensical again. I will just end it here.

So I'm non-sensical b/c you fail to understand another point of view except your own which is only beneficial for whichever side you're on? Ok whatever.

[Nicole1975]

	Originally Posted by Distance To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	And the tune changes again. What's truth and what's lie?

Just because I own those shoes doesn't mean I go around wearing them on a regular basis. I stopped wearing heels when I moved to New York. I only wear them less than 12 times a year now.... very rarely. I wouldn't wear them if I expected to be walking a lot which might be why people looked at her funny. The event sounds like one where you would walk around campus a lot.

[Saggita]

	Originally Posted by curiousgeorge01 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	So I'm non-sensical b/c you fail to understand another point of view except your own which is only beneficial for whichever side you're on? Ok whatever.

I was discussing that some things can be considered harassment and no one asks for it and you say you wouldn't, and then you proceed to say it's on her account to be harassed or not -- which is BS, is on the account on people who harass -- and it's just... Not worth the fight.

[Distance]

	Originally Posted by Nicole1975 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Just because I own those shoes doesn't mean I go around wearing them on a regular basis. I stopped wearing heels when I moved to New York. I only wear them less than 12 times a year now.... very rarely. I wouldn't wear them if I expected to be walking a lot which might be why people looked at her funny. The event sounds like one where you would walk around campus a lot.

Funny. You claimed to wear them shopping with jean shorts and a tank top. Who goes to the mall dressed like that? Gawd woman, have you no sense of common decency? Only hookers and women trolling for no strings attached sex wear outfits with daisy duke jean shorts, platform heels and skin tight tank tops!

If my above paragraph doesn't sound familiar, as in the same way you've approached Samia, it's seriously time for a reality check.

Hey Samia, I'd say your outfit was a lot more 'decent' than daisy duke jean shorts (bottom hanging out for any dude to grab), skin tight tank tops and platform shoes while trolling the mall for men!
To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

[curiousgeorge01]

	Originally Posted by Saggita To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I was discussing that some things can be considered harassment and no one asks for it and you say you wouldn't, and then you proceed to say it's on her account to be harassed or not -- which is BS, is on the account on people who harass -- and it's just... Not worth the fight.

Ok...and I'm saying we weren't talking about that in the first place so why are we bringing it up now? We were just talking about comments which CAN be managed. Obviously if someone walks up to you a punches or feels you up randomly then it's assault/harassment. But the whole point of this thread was managing dirty looks and comments b/c of something the OP is actually doing.

And that example you said of someone yelling that out to you I wouldn't consider harassment, just stupidity. Same as the example I gave.

[deconspire]

Ok, i don't have "quote post" ability right now on my phone, but wait the fuck on here a second, nicole75. White girls got it the worst in nyc? Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck that. How many latino women you see there that can't get out the box? Chinese? Korean? Indian? Brazilian? White women are not targeted as much as any other race for anything that has aggressive sexual undertones. Crime data backs that up. Also, for the record, i was not backing you on your "stick with dudes like you" line. Sarcasm. I thought it was a horrible thing to say.

[curiousgeorge01]

Originally Posted by deconspire To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Ok, i don't have "quote post" ability right now on my phone, but wait the fuck on here a second, nicole75. White girls got it the worst in nyc? Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck that. How many latino women you see there that can't get out the box? Chinese? Korean? Indian? Brazilian? White women are not targeted as much as any other race for anything that has aggressive sexual undertones. Crime data backs that up. Also, for the record, i was not backing you on your "stick with dudes like you" line. Sarcasm. I thought it was a horrible thing to say.

Yes but is it possible the crime data is mostly from poor neighborhoods rather than that minorities actually receive worse treatment overall? So my guess would be those who live in impoverished neighborhoods have more crimes committed against them and mostly they're inhabited my minorities.

[Tocsin]

Any heels over a few inches tall can become a little... um.... problematic.

( Show Spoiler )

To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Of course, just wearing high heels doesn't make anyone a whore, as long as you can
To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
, no one will think the worse of you.

[Imperator]

Back on friggin topic....

More importantly, did you make it in?
If yes, then who gives a shit what the other kids thought about you.
If no, then who gives a shit what the other kids thought about you.

1st impressions are just that. Without conversing and taking time to interact, people base their interaction on look and "feel". Prettier people probably have it easier because of this. They look better, and give off a better "feel" than the fat, poor slob with a stained Star Wars t-shirt and ripped jeans.

Then again, the hottie might be a fairly useless individual, where the nerd might be someone very admirable in attitude, thought, and deed.

1st impressions are inevitable, but pretty useless.

For the record, I didn't see anything wrong with your attire, but then again, I'm all sorts of special, so take my thoughts with a near lethal dose of sodium.

[Shahira]

	Originally Posted by curiousgeorge01 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Why do some people here keep rolling those two together? No you're not asking for rape but you're asking for attention. And no it's not just the heels, it's also the fit, style and color of the shirt and skirt. I'm assuming the color is the same as the ones you posted?

Expressing yourself or dressing in a way that you feel comfortable and enjoy dressing like is just being attention seeking? That must mean Jewish men are attention seekers, Muslim men and women are attention seekers too.... What's wrong with the colours?

Originally Posted by Nicole1975 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Truthfully, those shoes are a tad tamer than what I saw when I googled "platform heels" and saw this and thought, Holy SHIT those are stripper shoes... To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. These are nice... I actually have a pair like this: To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. I don't see anything wrong with the shirt. It's more the skirt and heels so as to the lady all covered up picture... hahah This, to me, would be dressy and not so "I'm looking for a date" shoes: To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. and the blue skirt listed third. I have two skirts like that in dark blue/Navy. To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Though, I probably would have worn some dressyish capris and flats to something like that. It's middle of the road so you're not over the top dressy and not a total schlub. The funny thing is that you did say you toned it down the second day and more people talked to you. So, really, you probably know how to dress more sensibly.

	Originally Posted by Nicole1975 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	---------- Post added 07-09-2012 at 11:15 AM ---------- The skirt and the heels combined would make a woman come across as looking for a boyfriend or a back up. The t-shirt is fine. It actually looks like what I wear to the gym.

Were you not earlier calling the shoes that I wore that day the kind that whores usually wore? Did you not say that people would mistake me for one with the way I was dressing? What's with the sudden 180?

Originally Posted by DrCiao To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I am not saying they are pretending to mimic someone else, but certainly Samia and Nicole1975 seem to oddly have voices of 40something ladies who might be pretending to be 19, simply from the content of their posts. They don't sound young to me. To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. I think bitter out of work lawyers and escorts might have a hatred towards men who aren't offering to give them an easy life simply because they're wearing hooker shoes.

Look at my pictures in the Member Picture's thread and then tell me if you think I am a fourtysomething year old woman pretending to be nineteen.

	Originally Posted by Zodd To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Diverse in races. Nobody was clothed the same as Samia, Samia said. Almost every post of Samia that I read derailed the thread into her fighting with a bunch of people. This thread also, just after just a couple of posts.

Every thread I make nearly always gets derailed. I don't derail threads. I post one thing, some people start going mental.

	Originally Posted by Zodd To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Samia. Are you going to change the way you dress now, after reading all this? Also. What do you think of the way you write on this forum? It's so ineffective and people put words in your mouth that you didn't say. Or do you like that, so you can shoot people down who put words in your mouth? I personally like that. But you come of as more naive because you always say that people shouldn't judge.

I'm not going to change the way I dress because of some silly and judgemental posts. I would probably tone it down at university, but outside I won't.

I don't. I hate these kind of petty little arguments. I don't see any point in it. I don't like people putting words into my mouth... That's not nice. It's just too much hassle. It seems like as if some people WANT an argument. They enjoy insulting other people just because they dress a certain way. It's horrible. As if it's entertainment. That's what I believe. For me... I find it hard to judge people. I don't hate people. Annoyed by some, yes, but never hate. I guess I can be naive. I believe that people do bad things because a lot of bad things happened to them. People aren't born with hate and anger. They learn it. I do notice that people do tend to put words in my mouth in heated discussions. I do wonder how I come across like in my posts...

Originally Posted by Imperator To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Back on friggin topic.... More importantly, did you make it in? If yes, then who gives a shit what the other kids thought about you. If no, then who gives a shit what the other kids thought about you. 1st impressions are just that. Without conversing and taking time to interact, people base their interaction on look and "feel". Prettier people probably have it easier because of this. They look better, and give off a better "feel" than the fat, poor slob with a stained Star Wars t-shirt and ripped jeans. Then again, the hottie might be a fairly useless individual, where the nerd might be someone very admirable in attitude, thought, and deed. 1st impressions are inevitable, but pretty useless. For the record, I didn't see anything wrong with your attire, but then again, I'm all sorts of special, so take my thoughts with a near lethal dose of sodium.

I did get in. But, it's conditional that I come in on those two days and I have. So yeah, I did.
To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

[curiousgeorge01]

	Originally Posted by Samia To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Expressing yourself or dressing in a way that you feel comfortable and enjoy dressing like is just being attention seeking? That must mean Jewish men are attention seekers, Muslim men and women are attention seekers too.... What's wrong with the colours?

That's such an odd way of phrasing it.


First of all, comfort/expression can be changed. Someone can be comfortable in gang banger clothing in his youth and not be when he's more mature and starts going to work. Does his gang banger clothing attract attention? Yes. When he's older and starts wearing work clothes he acclimates himself to it and eventually that becomes comfortable. Does that attract attention? No. Given that comfort/expression is malleable then, those persons' reactions to your clothing is telling you to find something else that's comfortable as well as appropriate for a given setting.


Second of all by what type of comfort do you mean? Emotional or physical. If you're talking about emotional look at the above. If you mean physical, why not wear sweats every day then? It's the most comfortable type of clothing.


In other words comfort/expressing yourself has nothing to do with attracting attention. Wanting to attract attention has something to do with attracting attention.


Society is telling you what is appropriate but you're being obstinate. If that's the case why ask our opinion? Just keep doing what you're doing.

[reginoid]

Originally Posted by Samia To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

When I saw the other thread I started thinking about this. I had one of the worst two days in my life. I had to go to a university that I had applied to for two days which is called Fresher's Week. Just basically seeing how life there is ect. I knew no one in that university. The people I saw were talking to each other and laughing and everything and I was sitting by myself with my headphones on like a loser. No one wanted to talk to me. I did start conversations with people, but it just felt really awkward. Some of them, I could tell, were really nervous when I was talking to them. Some people hands were shaking and I just found it really weird. I wanted to look good, my perception of what looks good, so I went all out. I wore a skirt, heels, make up I went all out! When I got there people were staring. People were dressed casually and most looked just really academic looking and really intellectual. I got some dirty looks. I immediately regretted it. The university is really hard to get into and is a top university. I guess I am deemed to be an attractive person and people say I can be sometimes intimidating. So I started thinking it must be hard sometimes for an attractive person to be taken seriously in terms of academics and work. I have been sexually harrassed before and people do make generally degrading comments about my body and question my "intelligence". So which raised the question: Do attractive people have it harder? Thoughts? To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. I hope people don't percieve me to be big headed because I'm not.

I am a model. Life is tough because everywhere I go I'm just a piece of meat instead of the beautiful sentient being that I truly am. Instead of my brains all they want is my body. Like when I'm driving on the freeway or just basically anywhere else I cause many accidents. It's horrific!

---------- Post added 07-10-2012 at 11:34 AM ----------

Originally Posted by Imperator To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Back on friggin topic.... More importantly, did you make it in? If yes, then who gives a shit what the other kids thought about you. If no, then who gives a shit what the other kids thought about you. 1st impressions are just that. Without conversing and taking time to interact, people base their interaction on look and "feel". Prettier people probably have it easier because of this. They look better, and give off a better "feel" than the fat, poor slob with a stained Star Wars t-shirt and ripped jeans.

I am this fat, poor slob with a stained star wars t-shirt and ripped jeans. I don't understand your point. Maybe you have had bad experiences?

[thebrainpolice]

	Originally Posted by Zodd To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Almost every post of Samia that I read derailed the thread into her fighting with a bunch of people. This thread also, just after just a couple of posts.

I noticed that too. I don't agree with some of the things the OP says, but the level of vitriol she attracts seems pretty disproportionate to me. Did she do something awful in another thread?

[DrCiao]

	Originally Posted by Nicole1975 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Samia says she's 19. I never said I'm 19. That would be pretty retarded to take a name like *1975* and claim I'm 19. I'm 36, you know, a foot in the grave as people are getting at.

My point was pretty lady, since you missed it, that you act and talk as if you were in your late forties. People in their 30s don' try hard to convince people or to remind people that they are 36 every chance they get. It makes it seem suspicious. Plus your negative views on older men tell me that you resent them because most of them are into 30s ladies not 40s ladies.

	Originally Posted by Samia To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Look at my pictures in the Member Picture's thread and then tell me if you think I am a fourtysomething year old woman pretending to be nineteen.

I am simply saying that your posts here seem more reminiscent of a recently divorced, bitter lady in her mid thirties who has a hard time playing nicely with others due to your antagonisic posting style that could be perceived as a borderline personality rather than a sweet naive 19 year old. Wearing a short skirt, especially if you are extremely overweight doesn't usually appeal to the sensibilities of men. Playing victim is also seen as unattractive.