[SarcasticVlad]

Oh, that review looks intere...02:22 hours! Fuck off!

[bobabrowncoat]

Unless it's Red Letter Media, no review is worth two hours.

[TheStranger]

Leaked information concerning DLC with Shepard and some rogue Reaper named Leviathan, or something. I wonder if that was planned all along.

[SarcasticVlad]

It probably was. That's how game developers work these days. And they were selling those ME3 action figures with DLC codes or something like that. I heard about the Leviathan of Dis DLC when the files suggesting it were first discovered a day after the EC. It is probably going to be set before the ending.

That is why they released the EC in the first place. To pacify the masses in order to be able to sell their future DLC. Now most people are happy (because they're too stupid to see how the EC breaks the ending even more), and they'd be happy to pay for more DLC.

[Autumnleaf]

	Originally Posted by SarcasticVlad To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Oh, that review looks intere...02:22 hours! Fuck off!

I guess people who care about games and give in-depth reviews are not as succinct as teh fanboi shills you are used to taking advice from.

[SarcasticVlad]

	Originally Posted by Autumnleaf To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I guess people who care about games and give in-depth reviews are not as succinct as teh fanboi shills you are used to taking advice from.

You know I watched the first 20 minutes. He talks too slow. If he'd properly written everything he wanted to say, and if he'd rehearsed it once, it probably wouldn't have taken him more than half an hour. Maybe 45 minutes. The game is not that complicated.

[TheStranger]

Leviathan DLC has been confirmed as containing information on the origin of the Reapers. The sad thing is I might actually purchase it when it comes out later this summer.

[dungeonguy88]

	Originally Posted by TheStranger To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Leviathan DLC has been confirmed as containing information on the origin of the Reapers. The sad thing is I might actually purchase it when it comes out later this summer.

I am only moderately conflicted about this...damn you, Space-Baby. Damn you to Hell.

[bobabrowncoat]

I love the time I've spent in the ME universe, but I've lost all interest in investing in any of their DLC. If ME3 had been handled better all the way around, I might actually continue playing. As it is, I have my memories.

[dungeonguy88]

	Originally Posted by bobabrowncoat To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I love the time I've spent in the ME universe, but I've lost all interest in investing in any of their DLC. If ME3 had been handled better all the way around, I might actually continue playing. As it is, I have my memories.

And head-canon (As my friends refer to it)! Space-baby never happened, Kai-Leng got shot the moment he popped in front of my heavily armed squad, with a Freakin' sword, and 'Space Magic' remained purely hypothetical. Take all that away and ME3 is back to being properly awesome.

[TheStranger]

Supposedly, the Leviathan DLC will change the ending somewhat.

	Commander Shepard's story arguably won't benefit from Mass Effect 3 single-player expansions, but BioWare's willing to compromise if you buy the Leviathan add-on: Completing the downloadable content creates an additional rift in your ending. You can expect to see multiple Easter eggs, subtle changes, and references to its story when you reach the Extended Cut conclusion.

[integratedvelocity]

Yeah, I'm done with Mass Effect. Might go back and play 1 and 2 again, even 3 up to the return to Earth, but otherwise... Not happening. I haven't even downloaded the Extended Cut. Yeah...Space-Baby, go die already.

[TheStranger]

	Originally Posted by integratedvelocity To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Yeah, I'm done with Mass Effect. Might go back and play 1 and 2 again, even 3 up to the return to Earth, but otherwise... Not happening. I haven't even downloaded the Extended Cut. Yeah...Space-Baby, go die already.

Honestly, the main quest in 2 wasn't all that captivating, the interesting parts were the recruitment and loyalty missions (especially the latter). I consider Mass Effect 3 to be the best in the series, aside from the ending.

[dungeonguy88]

	Originally Posted by TheStranger To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Honestly, the main quest in 2 wasn't all that captivating, the interesting parts were the recruitment and loyalty missions (especially the latter). I consider Mass Effect 3 to be the best in the series, aside from the ending.

Well, yes. That is the crux of the issue. Mass Effect 3 was basically awesome, for the most part. I'd even say Kai-Leng, at least, served his intended purpose (Of being an unrepentant troll).

I hadn't played a game that had so many awe-inspiring or tear-jerking moments, before Mass Effect 3. Which for many just made the ending all the more inexcusable. So, as far as I'm concerned, everything after the final encounter with the Illusive Man, didn't happen. I just imagine something awesome happened, instead.

[TheStranger]

Originally Posted by dungeonguy88 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Well, yes. That is the crux of the issue. Mass Effect 3 was basically awesome, for the most part. I'd even say Kai-Leng, at least, served his intended purpose (Of being an unrepentant troll). I hadn't played a game that had so many awe-inspiring or tear-jerking moments, before Mass Effect 3. Which for many just made the ending all the more inexcusable. So, as far as I'm concerned, everything after the final encounter with the Illusive Man, didn't happen. I just imagine something awesome happened, instead.

Kai-Leng was just a glorified Death's Hand.

Bioware attached players to the Mass Effect universe by offering the semi-illusion of choice, then completely removing any semblance of choice at the end. The Rannoch and Tuchanka arcs were overall superb, and the game was sprinkled with incredible moments, which as you said made the ending all the more unforgivable.

[Equinox]

I'd say ME2 was the best game overall. 1 was great in the same way that Assassin's Creed 1 was great--it introduced us to a very good series and was a proof of concept, and set the stage for improvements. It wasn't bad at all, but obviously sequels are generally meant to take everything you enjoyed and make it even better. 2 had a great "Seven Samurai"-style premise of getting together a group of incredibly talented people for an epic confrontation that nobody expects to survive. It greatly improved on the mechanics of 1 and had the best stories of the series thanks to its diverse cast of characters and settings. (I'm pretty sure that every one of the nine D&D alignments is represented by at least one person in your party.) 3 had a unique feel because the whole time you know you're probably fighting a hopeless battle, and the backdrop of a galactic crisis made for some interesting moments, but I feel that outside of the main missions, there wasn't a whole lot going on, other than some tacked-on fetch quests for the War Assets, missions that attempt to capture the spirit of recruitment missions in 2 but don't really feel as satisfying, new characters who don't match the caliber of the ones from 1 and 2 (except Javik), and multiplayer maps turned into side quests.

As for the ending of 3: why can't people just take it for what it is? I think it was a little contrived and the conspiracy theorists are mostly right, but the extended cut endings were pretty good, though not outstanding. To the people who still aren't satisfied: Did you expect to have 50 different endings? Why would you expect to have 50 different endings? How different would you expect each of the 50 endings to be?

[TheStranger]

Anyone else here played Leviathan DLC? Thoughts?

[SarcasticVlad]

I watched it on YouTube. And I'm glad I didn't buy it. Bioware keeps missing the point. Seriously. What's the point of foreshadowing an ending that came out 5 months ago? It already sucks and no amount of pre-ending DLC can fix it. In fact, this DLC pretty much made it worse. They completely trivialized the Reapers now. What was once a race of terrifying unknowable creatures from dark space is now just a race of complete idiots. This DLC was made with one thought: to justify the existence of The Catalyst and it's retarded logic. Would you be surprised if I told you that it doesn't work? And even if it did work somehow it still doesn't change the fact that our choices throughout the game still don't matter at all.

Oh and, you don't get to ask the Leviathan any of the questions you would definitely want to ask him if you had a pair of somewhat functional brain cells. Again, because the DLC was created with that one thing in mind. The Leviathan tells you about the intelligence they created and how it betrayed them and created the Reapers and Shepard doesn't ask where the intelligence is and how to stop it? Seriously? How fuckin' retarded do you have to be not to ask something like that?

[dungeonguy88]

Originally Posted by SarcasticVlad To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I watched it on YouTube. And I'm glad I didn't buy it. Bioware keeps missing the point. Seriously. What's the point of foreshadowing an ending that came out 5 months ago? It already sucks and no amount of pre-ending DLC can fix it. In fact, this DLC pretty much made it worse. They completely trivialized the Reapers now. What was once a race of terrifying unknowable creatures from dark space is now just a race of complete idiots. This DLC was made with one thought: to justify the existence of The Catalyst and it's retarded logic. Would you be surprised if I told you that it doesn't work? And even if it did work somehow it still doesn't change the fact that our choices throughout the game still don't matter at all. Oh and, you don't get to ask the Leviathan any of the questions you would definitely want to ask him if you had a pair of somewhat functional brain cells. Again, because the DLC was created with that one thing in mind. The Leviathan tells you about the intelligence they created and how it betrayed them and created the Reapers and Shepard doesn't ask where the intelligence is and how to stop it? Seriously? How fuckin' retarded do you have to be not to ask something like that?

Well, that's depressing.

Between this and Bethesda screwing the pooch, with the PS3-Dawnguard release, it seems my videogame budget will go untapped for a while.

[TheStranger]

Originally Posted by SarcasticVlad To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I watched it on YouTube. And I'm glad I didn't buy it. Bioware keeps missing the point. Seriously. What's the point of foreshadowing an ending that came out 5 months ago? It already sucks and no amount of pre-ending DLC can fix it. In fact, this DLC pretty much made it worse. They completely trivialized the Reapers now. What was once a race of terrifying unknowable creatures from dark space is now just a race of complete idiots. This DLC was made with one thought: to justify the existence of The Catalyst and it's retarded logic. Would you be surprised if I told you that it doesn't work? And even if it did work somehow it still doesn't change the fact that our choices throughout the game still don't matter at all. Oh and, you don't get to ask the Leviathan any of the questions you would definitely want to ask him if you had a pair of somewhat functional brain cells. Again, because the DLC was created with that one thing in mind. The Leviathan tells you about the intelligence they created and how it betrayed them and created the Reapers and Shepard doesn't ask where the intelligence is and how to stop it? Seriously? How fuckin' retarded do you have to be not to ask something like that?

Well, there's still the whole issue of the Catalyst invalidating the plot of ME 1, I think you mentioned this earlier in the thread. That aside, Leviathan doesn't positively impact the ending, by implication or otherwise. I think it was mentioned in the original ending that the Reapers rebelled against their creators, Leviathan just says, "here we are" and adds some details about Harbinger and a few other tidbits, like the Rachni being prepped to attack the Reapers or whatever. And it doesn't seem like the Leviathans are willing to cooperate, so post-Reapers they may actually be a threat.

Anyway, the DLC had some interesting moments, but I could've lived without it.

[SarcasticVlad]

There were some interesting things. Some foreshadowing. Perhaps ME4 related (it is EA after all), or future DLC related. The Leviathan mentions that the Reapers seem to be looking for something (not just The Leviathans). EDI even says that they're exhibiting abnormal invasion patterns.

There is still that tweet we have to take into consideration when discussing anything ME3 related. It was right after people raged about the ending. One of the writers wrote something like this: "Hardest day ever. If you guys knew what we're planning, you'd be holding on to your ME3 copy forever".

[Autumnleaf]

Originally Posted by SarcasticVlad To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I watched it on YouTube. And I'm glad I didn't buy it. Bioware keeps missing the point. Seriously. What's the point of foreshadowing an ending that came out 5 months ago? It already sucks and no amount of pre-ending DLC can fix it. In fact, this DLC pretty much made it worse. They completely trivialized the Reapers now. What was once a race of terrifying unknowable creatures from dark space is now just a race of complete idiots. This DLC was made with one thought: to justify the existence of The Catalyst and it's retarded logic. Would you be surprised if I told you that it doesn't work? And even if it did work somehow it still doesn't change the fact that our choices throughout the game still don't matter at all. Oh and, you don't get to ask the Leviathan any of the questions you would definitely want to ask him if you had a pair of somewhat functional brain cells. Again, because the DLC was created with that one thing in mind. The Leviathan tells you about the intelligence they created and how it betrayed them and created the Reapers and Shepard doesn't ask where the intelligence is and how to stop it? Seriously? How fuckin' retarded do you have to be not to ask something like that?

Warrior said something that your post brought to mind. It went something like this... When I have to attend a meeting one of the first questions I ask is if we are trying to justify a decision that was already made or if we are actually trying to make a decision.

I suspect Bioware is in justification mode so they keep digging the hole deeper.

Apologies to Warrior for my choppy paraphrase. The post it came from, months ago in another thread, really hit the mark on this topic.

[TheStranger]

	"Hardest day ever. If you guys knew what we're planning, you'd be holding on to your ME3 copy forever".

I have no idea what the writers are ultimately up to, and one scene in the DLC makes me wonder, as well as reading various theories presented on the bioware forums. I'll just wait and see.

[SarcasticVlad]

	Originally Posted by TheStranger To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I have no idea what the writers are ultimately up to, and one scene in the DLC makes me wonder, as well as reading various theories presented on the bioware forums. I'll just wait and see.

What scene?

[TheStranger]

Throughout the dlc, if I remember correctly, Leviathan would take control of others through those artifact orbs (indoctrinating them), and then they would regain consciousness. After talking to Leviathan, Shepard passed out and awoke back on the ship, and I'm wondering if Leviathan did something similar to Shepard. Someone on the Bioware forums was posting about the theory of indoctrination after they had played through it.