[Saggita]

	Originally Posted by AlfredSchnittke To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Logic flaws? How is it you think I "expect" you to act? I don't care how you act. The whole point of a public forum is to come here, post your views/feelings, whatever, and have them criticized, and then criticize back... Why the hell else are we all here???

Personal attack isn't really good critique, is it? Believe me or not, I do not think ill of you for your opinions. But how come generalizations based on your experiences and assumptions alone -- I haven't seen biology and psychology coming out of any of your posts but "reproductive possibility" which brings us back to the cavemen period and it's faulty still -- aren't logic flaws?

And are you going to tell me you don't expect me to back off and say you are right? Because your logic is obviously so flawless? Gee. Though I must say I don't enjoy debates when they go nowhere. So move on with your life. All I want is to have my well deserved lunch right now.

[catzmeow]

	Originally Posted by curiousgeorge01 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Yes but why do that and then invite me back in again?

She was being friendly because she'd decided the risk was minimal and she was headed away from you. She was trying to smooth over her dismissal because you are co-workers and she didn't want any longterm unpleasantness.

[curiousgeorge01]

Originally Posted by Nomatterwhat To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Yeah you guys really do that and lets be honest most women don't even need a justification to act like that, they can just decide to be super rude in order to obey the defense mechanism i mentioned in my earlier post, and its not fair because the man can't retaliate because man don't get to be rude to a woman, even if it is to defend himself. If he does retaliate he has to be labeled rude or he has to be hitting on the woman, most suitable action seems to be passively dismissing the woman but that is also considered flirtous by most people... This is just a little glimpse of the terrain advantage women has.. Funny

Yes have to agree with that. And women claim they have no powers under patriarchy...

[curiousgeorge01]

	Originally Posted by catzmeow To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	She was being friendly because she'd decided the risk was minimal and she was headed away from you. She was trying to smooth over her dismissal because you are co-workers and she didn't want any longterm unpleasantness.

Actually I moved away when I changed jobs.

No unpleasantness on my part. Even when she came to me for help while she was in the rude period I was happy to do it. And no I wasn't expecting anything. I got the feeling it was just a period she was going through so I didn't take it personally.

[catzmeow]

	Originally Posted by curiousgeorge01 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Yes have to agree with that. And women claim they have no powers under patriarchy...

Would you prefer that we become outright dismissive and rude in front of your peers when we aren't interested in interacting with you? We are not obligated to entertain your advances. The assumption that we owe some manner of politeness to men who have initiated
sexual advances towards us is absurd.

As far as being powerless under the patriarchy, don't make me laugh. Women have already won the gender war, whether we all realize it or not.

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	Originally Posted by AlfredSchnittke To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Men expect women to be insanely emotional and overreact to everything. Which is apparently par for the course if you are any indication.

^Passive aggressive sentence. You don't like that Saggita isn't playing along the lines of discussion that you want to play, and you're frustrated with her line of thinking and intransigence to your ideas, so you insult her and characterize her as an overly emotional woman. That simultaneously allows you to pretend that you are taking the high ground and are behaving logically while engaging in an ad hominem designed to take her down a peg and be dismissive of her thoughts.

That's being obviously emotional, whether you realize it or not (INTJs are a little slow on the emotional uptake, at times, but you can't accuse ENFPs of the same).

[Nomatterwhat]

Originally Posted by catzmeow To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

It's a control mechanism, not a defense mechanism. If I wanted sexual attention, I would seek it out. I'm ENFP, I initiate conversations with strangers on a regular basis. When I use this tactic, 99% of the time, I"m using it with someone in whom I am uninterested who has tried to initiate a flirtation with me. If a woman is being sarcastically funny/rude to you, the overwhelming majority of the time, she is saying, "I am not interested...go bother someone else." Do you want us to say that to you in front of your friends? Men, particularly young men, in my experience, do not deal with that sort of directness, particularly in front of their peers, very graciously. So, you leave us very few alternatives in dismissing you when we are uninterested in your advances. When I use the subtle/rude humor, I am hoping the guy will catch a clue on his own, and walk away, before I have to take a clue by four to his head and be directly dismissive. The fact that some of you don't grasp this is...fucking annoying.

The fact that you make everything about yourself is fucking annoying, i was reporting my observations in general, i wasn't critisizing your posts, which i think was obvious.

---EDIT---

I just realized your Ne and my Ni is causing the difference in the way we look at this, im not annoyed anymore
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[AlfredSchnittke]

Originally Posted by Saggita To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Personal attack isn't really good critique, is it? Believe me or not, I do not think ill of you for your opinions. But how come generalizations based on your experiences and assumptions alone -- I haven't seen biology and psychology coming out of any of your posts but "reproductive possibility" which brings us back to the cavemen period and it's faulty still -- aren't logic flaws? And are you going to tell me you don't expect me to back off and say you are right? Because your logic is obviously so flawless? Gee. Though I must say I don't enjoy debates when they go nowhere. So move on with your life. All I want is to have my well deserved lunch right now.

Huh? Biology and Psychology (which must be based on the former) have to take into account the environment we evolved in. Evolution is a very slow process. How long have we been "civilized" a few thousand years? How long is our evolutionary history...millions of years?...All I've done is give an analysis based on viewing us as biological organisms resulting from evolution. It's not even necessarily true, just a potential explanation.

Hmm, maybe you are a religious person that believes we are only 6,000 years old though. I guess what I have been saying makes very little sense then. Evolution probably also makes no sense, and for that matter all psychology, too. I suppose your god probably has said some things on the matter and you base your views on that, I don't know.

I am not even sure what your counter argument is...you just keep saying women should be entitled to feel emotions, whereas I don't recall ever arguing against that position.






I don't really care much if you agree with me.

I have more "faith" in biology than I do in your opinions, this is just an amusing exercise in exploring various perspectives for me. There's not "absolute truth" to be gleaned.

Since you admit here that you would never back down and admit someone else is right though, I wonder why you bother to engage in debate at all?...
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[curiousgeorge01]

Originally Posted by catzmeow To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Would you prefer that we become outright dismissive and rude in front of your peers when we aren't interested in interacting with you? We are not obligated to entertain your advances. The assumption that we owe some manner of politeness to men who have initiated sexual advances towards us is absurd. As far as being powerless under the patriarchy, don't make me laugh. Women have already won the gender war, whether we all realize it or not. .

What? When did I say someone was obligated to entertain my advances? All I'm saying is that women in society seem to have more powers to be rude. When women make advancements on me I'm never rude b/c there seems to be a societal construct where men can't treat women like that. Like in my example with that girl, it never entered my mind to ding her back b/c it's just not good manners to a lady. I mean unless she's a real biotch and decides to slap me or something.

I agree that women won...I just get annoyed when women claim they didn't and are still oppressed; it makes me/us think women are never satisfied.

[catzmeow]

Originally Posted by curiousgeorge01 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

What? When did I say someone was obligated to entertain my advances? All I'm saying is that women in society seem to have more powers to be rude. When women make advancements on me I'm never rude b/c there seems to be a societal construct where men can't treat women like that. I agree that women won...I just get annoyed when women claim they didn't and are still oppressed; it makes me/us think women are never satisfied.

I think some men have the mistaken impression that we are required to be polite to their advances. I think the reason that women are often more rude is that they are more often the subject of unwanted advances by men who don't seem to understand politeness or boundaries.

There is nothing more annoying or creepy than being touched familiarly by a man in a bar that I don't know, and don't want to know.

As far as men being rude to female advances, I've seen guys be plenty rude. Even funnier, though, is watching hetero men respond to advances by gay men. It really kind of puts the gender shoe on the other foot.

As far as women claiming to be oppressed, there is zero excuse for it in 2012 in the U.S. If you're oppressed, it is by your own choice.

[Saggita]

Originally Posted by AlfredSchnittke To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Huh? Biology and Psychology (which must be based on the former) have to take into account the environment we evolved in. Evolution is a very slow process. How long have we been "civilized" a few thousand years? How long is our evolutionary history...millions of years?...All I've done is give an analysis based on viewing us as biological organisms resulting from evolution. It's not even necessarily true, just a potential explanation. Hmm, maybe you are a religious person that believes we are only 6,000 years old though. I guess what I have been saying makes very little sense then. Evolution probably also makes no sense, and for that matter all psychology, too. I suppose your god probably has said some things on the matter and you base your views on that, I don't know. I am not even sure what your counter argument is...you just keep saying women should be entitled to feel emotions, whereas I don't recall ever arguing against that position. I don't really care much if you agree with me. I have more "faith" in biology than I do in your opinions, this is just an amusing exercise in exploring various perspectives for me. There's not "absolute truth" to be gleaned. Since you admit here that you would never back down and admit someone else is right though, I wonder why you bother to engage in debate at all?... To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Again, you are mistaking my argument. I'm merely showing what happens if I don't act as other people would like me to act. As in calling me an insanely emotional... Crazed bitch, or whatever for having my own opinions on the matter. My first statement back with curiousgeorge was that right and wrong depends on the person and that if you are on a relationship, you do have to concede a few things as the other counterpart has to do it as well. You so bravely showed up telling that men are entitled to lie to women because of their behavior. Your other arguments were sweeping generalizations, one after another, but you seem to be missing that psychology and biology don't seek to prove that everyone behaves the same.

They even concede that is impossible to say as much. There is no absolute truth but why are you acting as if though your assumptions are all correct and entitling every man in the earth to lie to a woman because of their behavior...? You are calling men liars and women... I don't even know what you are calling them. Not to mention victim blaming. It's disservice for both genders, if you ask me.

[curiousgeorge01]

Originally Posted by catzmeow To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I think some men have the mistaken impression that we are required to be polite to their advances. I think the reason that women are often more rude is that they are more often the subject of unwanted advances by men who don't seem to understand politeness or boundaries. There is nothing more annoying or creepy than being touched familiarly by a man in a bar that I don't know, and don't want to know. As far as men being rude to female advances, I've seen guys be plenty rude. Even funnier, though, is watching hetero men respond to advances by gay men. It really kind of puts the gender shoe on the other foot. As far as women claiming to be oppressed, there is zero excuse for it in 2012 in the U.S. If you're oppressed, it is by your own choice.

I don't think it's so much being polite as "you can turn me down just don't make me crash and burn." Like laughing in front of your friends, or giving that "yea right" type of look. A simple no will do. But I think some women are so used to turning men down that even if a good one comes along it's instinctual to say no and treat him like sh*t.

One time I was at a hotel and I finished working out in an undershirt and got in an elevator. There was a young gay man who was about 17 and his mother and you can practically hear him hyperventilating and his mother smiling. I thought that was sort of flattering.

Yep! I really don't see it especially in big cities. I mean unless you're in the boondocks somewhere and I just have no access to view this oppression.

[catzmeow]

Originally Posted by curiousgeorge01 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I don't think it's so much being polite as "you can turn me down just don't make me crash and burn." Like laughing in front of your friends, or giving that "yea right" type of look. A simple no will do. But I think some women are so used to turning men down that even if a good one comes along it's instinctual to say no and treat him like sh*t. One time I was at a hotel and I finished working out in an undershirt and got in an elevator. There was a young gay man who was about 17 and his mother and you can practically hear him hyperventilating and his mother smiling. I thought that was sort of flattering. Yep! I really don't see it especially in big cities. I mean unless you're in the boondocks somewhere and I just have no access to view this oppression.

In general, I'm polite. But when men are drinking with their buddies, they can be quite persistent. And, that's when I start pulling out the sarcastic barbs. If that is insufficient to push him to move along to an easier alternative, I get pretty sharp.

[vampyroteuthis]

Originally Posted by curiousgeorge01 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

No the rational solution in that scenario would be to find out what happened to him if you actually cared; hence why I sad why do women go from passionate to cold in less that 3 seconds. Not automatically assume he was late, stood you up and break up with him. Why I brought up that topic was that it happened to a friend of mine. He and a girl met online and they seemed to get along fine. She emailed him and he didn't email back until a couple days later and she broke up with him saying she wasn't a "priority." He was pissed b/c he was actually on a trip with his son and didn't have access to email at the time.

I was responding to Saggita's response to AlfredSchnittke's "theory" about why a lot of men lie to a lot of women (as opposed to women lying to men, people lying to people, etc.), not to your example. But let's go back to your example, if you like, and maybe you can explain how one person jumping to conclusions without communicating clearly in a dating situation turns into "women have baffling reactions" for you.

See, I could as easily point out that I've seen men do this with women, men with men, women with women, etc., and yet have somehow retained the idea that communication is possible, trust can be built, and we're not all engaged in big sex war.

[catzmeow]

Originally Posted by vampyroteuthis To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I was responding to Saggita's response to AlfredSchnittke's "theory" about why a lot of men lie to a lot of women (as opposed to women lying to men, people lying to people, etc.), not to your example. But let's go back to your example, if you like, and maybe you can explain how one person jumping to conclusions without communicating clearly in a dating situation turns into "women have baffling reactions" for you. See, I could as easily point out that I've seen men do this with women, men with men, women with women, etc., and yet have somehow retained the idea that communication is possible, trust can be built, and we're not all engaged in big sex war.

This requires the ability to see people as individuals, versus stereotyping them by gender.

My ex-husband was an abusive prick who cheated on me and made my life miserable for 12 years. Should I generalize that all men are abusive pricks who will cheat on me and make me miserable, since they all have penises?

That would be crazy thought, wouldn't it? But, you see people doing it here all the time. "I was divorced from a woman who cheated on me, and then took half my assets, thus all women are cheating whores who want to abuse men financially, and the entire culture of the western world is broken."

Yeah. That makes complete sense.

[mieu]

	Originally Posted by AlfredSchnittke To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Men expect women to be insanely emotional and overreact to everything. Which is apparently par for the course if you are any indication.

Says the guy, 99% of whose content on this forum involves bitterness and butthurt in the dating scene. When you're a broken record, people are hip to your schtick.

Waaah.


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[AlfredSchnittke]

Originally Posted by Saggita To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Again, you are mistaking my argument. I'm merely showing what happens if I don't act as other people would like me to act. As in calling me an insanely emotional... Crazed bitch, or whatever for having my own opinions on the matter. My first statement back with curiousgeorge was that right and wrong depends on the person and that if you are on a relationship, you do have to concede a few things as the other counterpart has to do it as well. You so bravely showed up telling that men are entitled to lie to women because of their behavior. Your other arguments were sweeping generalizations, one after another, but you seem to be missing that psychology and biology don't seek to prove that everyone behaves the same. They even concede that is impossible to say as much. There is no absolute truth but why are you acting as if though your assumptions are all correct and entitling every man in the earth to lie to a woman because of their behavior...? You are calling men liars and women... I don't even know what you are calling them. Not to mention victim blaming. It's disservice for both genders, if you ask me.

You've misinterpreted everything I've said so intensely that there's not point in trying to explain it.

You haven't got a single thing correct about what I was trying to say.

Sorry. I think we're lost in translation here =/

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	Originally Posted by mieu To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Says the guy, 99% of whose content on this forum involves bitterness and butthurt in the dating scene. When you're a broken record, people are hip to your schtick.

When have I ever talked about the dating scene?...

I myself never even engage in the dating scene.

[mieu]

	Originally Posted by AlfredSchnittke To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	When have I ever talked about the dating scene?... I myself never even engage in the dating scene.

I could only assume that the bitterness of your posts is the result of it--I mean women having such a distinct advantage over you and your life is so hard and unbearable.

If you shrink that picture down to avatar size and add a sepia Instagram filter, it'll make the crybabery that the photo depicts ironic (if I'm reading my New Age Hipster manual correctly). It'll go great with those posts where you use emotionalism as an epithet.

[Saggita]

Originally Posted by AlfredSchnittke To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I don't know. I don't find it worthwhile to assign blame. But it makes logical sense hearing some of this stuff. I doubt a man would ever instantly stop liking a woman because she was late for a date for example, so women have no need to lie to men. But women will just instantly stop liking a guy if he's late for a date, unless he comes up with a sufficient explanation. With such massive reproductive advantages given to those that could fabricate good stories, it would seem plausible that being good liars may well be something bred into men. Women pick the men that get bred, so I guess in that sense they are "to blame" or whatever. I don't see why it matters one way or another whose "fault" it is though.

Generalization.

	Originally Posted by AlfredSchnittke To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I don't know if it's irrational. But it's drastic compared to the choices that men make. And has a drastic effect on reproductive possibility. That's it. No one ever said you aren't free to have your feelings. Why do you read sexism into everything? Just looking for an excuse to get into a fight eh? You're going to give yourself an aneurism that way.

One after another.

	Originally Posted by AlfredSchnittke To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	So you think that psychology and biology are 100% illegitimate fields of study? To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. What happens when you act as a man "expects you to act"?... Men expect women to be insanely emotional and overreact to everything. Which is apparently par for the course if you are any indication.

And suddenly is about biology and psychology.

All I wanted to say is that perhaps one should have a little bit of consideration and wonder what the other partner might find right or wrong in a relationship, thus finding a common ground, where your view, all women are unreasonable and you are entitled to lie because they are all so drastic and emotional. When these are generalizations with no basis on psychology and biology whatsoever, only your skewed views on the world that you like to regard as being the complete truth.

Furthermore, I stressed that some men have this particular habit to deem a woman as being hysterical, crazy, drastic, emotional or whatever for not behaving as the already said men expect, and they put the blame of their inconsiderate actions onto the feminine counterpart without really evaluating what they have done, and without taking in consideration what the woman might be feeling/thinking.

Which is what you are doing here. Yep, you are right and I'm just misinterpreting. What a crazy bitch I am, no?
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[AlfredSchnittke]

Originally Posted by mieu To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I could only assume that the bitterness of your posts is the result of it--I mean women having such a distinct advantage over you and your life is so hard and unbearable. If you shrink that picture down to avatar size and add a sepia Instagram filter, it'll make the crybabery that the photo depicts ironic (if I'm reading my New Age Hipster manual correctly). It'll go great with those posts where you use emotionalism as an epithet.

Yes, women do have huge advantages over me. I don't owe you a life story, but you should really try thinking from people's perspectives other than your own sometime, maybe you'd learn something.

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Originally Posted by Saggita To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Generalization. One after another. And suddenly is about biology and psychology. All I wanted to say is that perhaps one should have a little bit of consideration and wonder what the other partner might find right or wrong in a relationship, thus finding a common ground, where your view, all women are unreasonable and you are entitled to lie because they are all so drastic and emotional. When these are generalizations with no basis on psychology and biology whatsoever, only your skewed views on the world that you like to regard as being the complete truth. Furthermore, I stressed that some men have this particular habit to deem a woman as being hysterical, crazy, drastic, emotional or whatever for not behaving as the already said men expect, and they put the blame of their inconsiderate actions onto the feminine counterpart without really evaluating what they have done, and without taking in consideration what the woman might be feeling/thinking. Which is what you are doing here. Yep, you are right and I'm just misinterpreting. What a crazy bitch I am, no? To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Why don't you just let it go?

You have no idea what I was saying and it wasn't important enough to try to describe given the language barrier.

I can't even figure out where you are coming from, it's like you're quoting my posts, and reading someone else's when you talk about them...

Psych/Bio seek to explain behaviors. All I did was submit a potential biological explanation for why a lot of men lie to women.

It was a simple observation spun out into some wild thing that I cannot understand.

[mieu]

	Originally Posted by AlfredSchnittke To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Yes, women do have huge advantages over me. I don't owe you a life story, but you should really try thinking from people's perspectives other than your own sometime, maybe you'd learn something.

I don't care if you think women have advantages over you. Everyone is free to piss and moan about whatever they've got stuck in their craw. I'm not here to silence anyone, and I take issue with people who are. You clearly missed the point--that I think it's hilarious that you would marginalize a poster because she is a female and therefore 'emotional' when most of what you post is emotional as well (as evidenced by your allusion to what I'm sure is a cool story, bro).

I care not for how insulting you think my glee at your hypocrisy is, just as you don't care how insulting it is for someone to be disregarded on the basis of their gender.

[curiousgeorge01]

Originally Posted by mieu To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I could only assume that the bitterness of your posts is the result of it--I mean women having such a distinct advantage over you and your life is so hard and unbearable. If you shrink that picture down to avatar size and add a sepia Instagram filter, it'll make the crybabery that the photo depicts ironic (if I'm reading my New Age Hipster manual correctly). It'll go great with those posts where you use emotionalism as an epithet.

It's not victim complex if it's true. It's funny when a man complains about these things you call him a cry baby but if a woman does then it's oppression.

Just let the man have his say, there's no need to stick barbs into it.

[AlfredSchnittke]

	Originally Posted by curiousgeorge01 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	It's not victim complex if it's true. It's funny when a man complains about these things you call him a cry baby but if a woman does then it's oppression. Just let the man have his say, there's no need to stick barbs into it.

Much appreciated.

Not sure why when men have problems they deserve to be mocked.

I guess it's not acceptable for men to have any emotion except "I love my life, and I love pleasing women in every way possible"

[mieu]

	Originally Posted by curiousgeorge01 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	It's not victim complex if it's true. It's funny when a man complains about these things you call him a cry baby but if a woman does then it's oppression. Just let the man have his say, there's no need to stick barbs into it.

Keep ignoring his passive aggressive attempts to silence and/or disregard other posters earlier in the thread. I'll repeat again--I really couldn't give two shits about his thoughts and feelings about female on male oppression, that's secondary to my point. The disdain is for hypocrisy, that somehow the emotional basis for the things he feels are important are somehow superior to the emotional basis for the things a female feels are important.

It ties back into what begot this tangent in the first place, the assertion that because one isn't a mind-reader and thus can't figure out what motives are behind a woman's behavior means that it either came from nothing, is a random emotional event or is--as a rule--unfitting in degree of the 'slight' against her (that caused her to be rude). It's a theme in this forum that actually transcends both genders, that emotionalism is, in all cases, trumped by rationality, when no one know what rationalizations drive the baffling behavior of others.

[Nomatterwhat]

	Originally Posted by Nomatterwhat To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I agree with most of the ideas about this. Additionally, i think it happens as a part of a defense mechanism too. Some women lose emotional control if they find someone attractive when they are already in a relationship, a subconscious mechanism drives them to sabotage their possible future affair with the new hot dude in the picture. Just a thought...

I have been rude to women i was attracted to when i was younger, I think it happens when things aren't "in line". If there is mutual attraction but any other inconstintent thought or emotion with this feeling, i just go off and sabotage myself. For example i remember feeling attracted to a woman at work, but at the same time i have and had a rule not to get involved in office romances so i sabotaged myself(i think subconsciously). I remember many examples like this with women in relationships, when i was in a relationship, when i was phisically attracted but knew our personalities wouldn't match and few times my friends wanted the girl... I used to do it to telegraph my disinterest to the women who i think was attracted to me too. But i don't do it anymore.

[AlfredSchnittke]

	Originally Posted by mieu To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	that somehow the emotional basis for the things he feels are important are somehow superior to the emotional basis for the things a female feels are important.

What is the example of this as you see it?...

I'm blissfully unaware of making any such assertions.