[PlatoHagel]

	Originally Posted by RBM To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I'm not following this. Are you having issues with the analysis that there is no objective reality as Tom's states in the Calgary, 2 clip at that hyperlink time label, that there is always an approximation, instead ?

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Just a point of interest. Keep an open mind But also try and be skeptical...Ya See:
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	Originally Posted by RBM To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Why do you conflate 'reject' with 'doesn't speculate' ?

Because Einstein himself could not complete relativity until he had heard from Grossmann with regard to Riemann. So, it is not speculation. This is part of the understanding of my exploration from a earlier time as I went inward. Is that the theories had schematic drawings if you like, follow the line of thinking in regards to what must be done with the theories as well as beneath the experiences. The non-euclidean geometries set Einstein free.

In this regard a 2D drawing of the Mandala is very complex with regard to a 5D description(experience). I had to go underneath the experience. Historically, another lifetime.


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But such drawing did lead to a wholeness in that past time. Native American origins. It was called a
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l. Why, it could be pulled forward to today.
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. One might now find some relation to my avatar.


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Îf you walk around this wheel you are in a sense locating something quite unique about your life. It`s when you arrive at the center you get a sense of the wholeness that pervades one`s being. Like touching electricity. Like you are born into the world. There is a strange air here that made correlations in my mind about the elasticity of the world being born from. As if it holds one`s movement. Before this, a rhythm and dancing that lead to the center.

	Originally Posted by RBM To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I don't reject dreaming. I find the placement of the phenomena in Tom's TOE in NPMR useful and logical.

Dreaming is not located in the NPMR but in the PMR. One is looking for a way to connect with the NPMR. You see? We may talk about access to "universal consciousness" and we are ever widening our scope of knowledge.

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[RBM]

	Originally Posted by PlatoHagel
	Dreaming is not located in the NPMR but in the PMR. One is looking for a way to connect with the NPMR. You see? We may talk about access to "universal consciousness" and we are ever widening our scope of knowledge.

Definitively incorrect:

Originally Posted by Tom>What is the purpose of sleep

Sleep has multiple functions that are necessary for the maintenance and growth of the individual — it is not that some are more main and others more secondary, all are important — they are just different like the multiple functions of your circulatory system (delivering nutrients, taking away wastes, fighting infection, and maintaining temperature). There is the physical need that everyone is aware of as well as the non-physical need that few are aware of. Sleep provides an alternate reality for us to have experiences in (i.e., to have intents and make choices in). The events, situations, intents, choices, actions and interactions experienced while sleeping, meditating, traveling or exploring in NPMR, or any other such “non-physical“ reality (outside of PMR) are as valuable and pertinent to our learning process as the experiences in PMR. We individuated units of consciousness (including your dog) operate (exist, learn, and grow) in multiple realities. PMR is just one. And as said above, none are more main or more secondary, all are necessary — they are just different like the multiple functions of your circulatory system — in the bigger picture there is no hierarchy by importance.

The rest of your post(s) seems to be about personal triggers. Cultural items, such as medicine wheels, mandala's, fiction literature, all can be organized under such triggers.

[Kisai]

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	I dunno bud, I just got the impression you were blowing it off with some rather vague dismissals.

Prediction is a key point of the scientific method. A theory without a prediction cannot be tested, and therefore cannot be falsified. If your theory cannot fail, there's no way to know if you're right or wrong, and you have junk.

[PlatoHagel]

	Originally Posted by RBM To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Definitively incorrect:

I'll have to track down where this was said..... but until then I stand corrected. Thanks
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	Originally Posted by RBM To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	The rest of your post(s) seems to be about personal triggers. Cultural items, such as medicine wheels, mandala's, fiction literature, all can be organized under such triggers.

Jungian interpretations are not about triggers they are about understanding the differences between your experiences in life manifested within in the dream world, while .....there is other kinds of journeying going on.

Maybe you could explain triggers better.

[RBM]

	Originally Posted by PlatoHagel
	Jungian interpretations are not about triggers they are about understanding the differences between your experiences in life manifested within in the dream world, while .....there is other kinds of journeying going on.

Yeah, from a 'little picture' perspective which inherently leads to mistaken conclusions. Mistakes are valuable in themselves when used as an opportunity to correct oneself.

Jung is long dead and can't correct himself but how would he integrate an OOB in a VR, into his interpretation ? Meanwhile people use his stagnant interpretations in a world that changes, along with out understanding of it, via evolution - a snafu in the making, in my opinion.

I'll have to do some research on the 'personal triggers'. Your characterization of the objects sound like it's out of the 'objective reality out there' mold, I must say.

[PlatoHagel]

To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. . A state in which consciousness and the unconscious work together in harmony. (See also self.) Although "wholeness" seems at first sight to be nothing but an abstract idea (like anima and animus), it is nevertheless empirical in so far as it is anticipated by the psyche in the form of spontaneous or autonomous symbols. These are the quaternity or mandala symbols, which occur not only in the dreams of modern people who have never heard of them, but are widely disseminated in the historical records of many peoples and many epochs. Their significance as symbols of unity and totality is amply confirmed by history as well as by empirical psychology.[The Self," ibid., par. 59.]

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Drawings do help to compartmentalize, leave trails as image maps of where you have been. One might not have recognized these images before.

	Originally Posted by RBM To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Yeah, from a 'little picture' perspective which inherently leads to mistaken conclusions. Mistakes are valuable in themselves when used as an opportunity to correct oneself.

Oh, for sure.

	Originally Posted by RBM To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Jung is long dead and can't correct himself but how would he integrate an OOB in a VR, into his interpretation ? Meanwhile people use his stagnant interpretations in a world that changes, along with out understanding of it, via evolution - a snafu in the making, in my opinion.

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	Originally Posted by RBM To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Meanwhile people use his stagnant interpretations in a world that changes, along with out understanding of it, via evolution - a snafu in the making, in my opinion.

Sure Jung is dead.....

* Your type formula according to Carl Jung and Isabel Myers-Briggs typology along with the strengths of the preferences * The description of your personality type * The list of occupations and educational institutions where you can get relevant degree or training, most suitable for your personality type - Jung Career Indicator™ To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

......and here you are?
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	Originally Posted by RBM To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I'll have to do some research on the 'personal triggers'. Your characterization of the objects sound like it's out of the 'objective reality out there' mold, I must say.

That's the distinction I was making in terms of "systemic ways" in which to realize a way too, the NPMR. There is a difference between "the dreamer" and the dreamed.

Collective unconscious.In this way there arises a consciousness which is no longer imprisoned in the petty, oversensitive, personal world of the ego, but participates freely in the wider world of objective interests. This widened consciousness is no longer that touchy, egotistical bundle of personal wishes, fears, hopes, and ambitions which always has to be compensated or corrected by unconscious counter-tendencies; instead, it is a function of relationship to the world of objects, bringing the individual into absolute, binding, and indissoluble communion with the world at large.[The Function of the Unconscious," CW 7, par. 275.]

While you recognize the activation participation you have with the world and the ways in which you proceed, you are looking for ways in which to extend your boundary of knowledge....not just about the "objective reality" but about how one accesses the probabilities and futures. Kisai predictions.

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	Originally Posted by Kisai To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Prediction is a key point of the scientific method. A theory without a prediction cannot be tested, and therefore cannot be falsified. If your theory cannot fail, there's no way to know if you're right or wrong, and you have junk.

Another individual who operates under the umbrella of the MBTi characterizations, and you have it all figured out. That's nice
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Maybe you have an opinion about
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and the ways in which theory has been expended to arrive at a solution of, "it just ain't real and is Junk."

I know you mean well.

[Kisai]

	Another individual who operates under the umbrella of the MBTi characterizations

Which MBTI characterizations?

	Maybe you have an opinion

I'm going to note that again, you're unable to explain what you're talking about.

[PlatoHagel]

	Originally Posted by Kisai To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Which MBTI characterizations?

The XXXX under your avatar and the fact you exist on this intj forum.

	Originally Posted by Kisai To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I'm going to note that again, you're unable to explain what you're talking about.

Crap.....I give you a link to a scientific process that is unfolding with all of its efforts and you do not know what I am talking about? You are acting from a safe zone when you repeat your mantras about science prediction and phenomenology by stating something that it is understood all across science. Nothing beyond that 'safe zone' to add?

Best,

[SJ10]

@PH,

Interesting article(s) on supersymetry. If true, seems to still fit the digital VR theory where things are often paired but have mutually exclusive actualized properties (entanglement, duality, heisenberg, etc...). ie 0 or 1.

[Kisai]

	Originally Posted by PlatoHagel To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	The XXXX under your avatar and the fact you exist on this intj forum.

Neither are an MBTI characteristic.

	Crap.....I give you a link

Sorry, no. You have to explain. I'm not going off on a wild rabbit chase. Present your argument.

[PlatoHagel]

@SJ10,

	Originally Posted by SJ10
	If true, seems to still fit the digital VR theory where things are often paired but have mutually exclusive actualized properties (entanglement, duality, heisenberg, etc...). ie 0 or 1.

How would you convert unknowns to O and 1? Define it in a type of configuration space. You have to have some means with which to measure such a conversion to VR?

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SW: How have ideas on supersymmetry changed in the past decade? What are the primary challenges that remain to be met in the next? John Ellis, Ph.D., FRS-During the past decade physicists were looking forward to data from the LHC, in particular concerning the Higgs boson and supersymmetry, in the expectation that LHC experiments would tell us finally whether these hypothesized particles exist or not. Before the LHC started, there was hope that the LHC might find supersymmetry in its initial runs. This has not happened so far, as discussed in the above papers, and there is some disappointment in the air among theorists. To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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	Originally Posted by Kisai To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Neither are an MBTI characteristic.

Ummm......
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and of course there are "
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" here too
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	Originally Posted by Kisai To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Sorry, no. You have to explain. I'm not going off on a wild rabbit chase. Present your argument.

What argument? If you want science done right? Please.
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[PlatoHagel]

A virtual world?


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The more complex the data base the more accurate one's simulation is achieved. The point is though that you have to capture scientific processes through calorimeter examinations just as you do in the LHC.

So these backdrops are processes in identifying particle examinations as they approach earth or are produced on earth. See
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and one might of asked how Fermi's picture taking would have looked had they pointed it toward the
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?

So the idea here is how you map particulates as a measure of natural processes? The virtual world lacks the depth of measure with which correlation can exist in the natural world? Why? Because it asks the designers of computation and memory to directly map the results of the experiments. So who designs the experiments to meet the data?

How did they know the energy range that the Higg's Boson would be detected in?