[Sk8ordude]

Couldn't the good looks help better facilitate various aspects of management? Yeah they got it easy in some ways, but that in itself can be a handicap in other ways.

[Nicole1975]

	Originally Posted by curiousgeorge01 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Nah it's more like why be on an attractive woman's bad side? You never know if you might hook up. Unless she's a real beach and you know for sure you won't.

Yeah, that's kinda what I was saying...

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Originally Posted by LadySpock To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Fleeting: After a certain age, beauty fades. If there's nothing underneath & all you're used to is riding on your beauty, the departure of your beauty hurts more. You will be alone now because you are no longer beautiful - hell ...you were probably alone when you were beautiful anyway (if you really think about it.) I opted out of the call girl, marry rich route. I acquired real power and real relationships. Does my husband like to show me off - of course. But he is also my companion & friend. When my beauty goes, I will still be me.

Many moons ago, I was with my bf at the time and we went to visit an ex-stripper in Canada with whom he was still friends. She was working in a factory for like 7 or 8 an hour CANADIAN. This was about 10 years ago. She made an off-handed comment about how she used to make so much and "this is ridiculous." I told my guy later that I thought the statement was funny since the skills aren't exactly transferable to another job/career. He said, "well she should have put some of it away!" Obviously, we're both right, though I didn't like the implication on his part that women skate on their looks and save up "looks money" for the future and that we don't deserve decent jobs.

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Also, when I see women excessively done up I think to myself, "she must be stupid. That must be all she has if she's putting so much work into it. That's so sad to have nothing but your looks."

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	Originally Posted by LadySpock To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Real power is the power to be a whole person - to be more than your job, more than your tits/ass/vagina, more than an emotional dumping station (or a cum dumpster) for others...

Even to be your job is not so bad but for a woman to only be her body/face? I sure wouldn't want that. Also, you might be born attractive but there's always work involved in upping that... if you so choose. Many men wouldn't consider me attractive because I'm not a size 0. However, my looks seem to be appealing to Russian and older men. (excuse me while I go throw up.)

[Innovate]

Wow, I might as well save up for a sex change since it's conclusive that mostly all attractive young women make heaps of money without effort.

Or perhaps I'll log off and wake up from the fantasy realm.

[AlfredSchnittke]

	Originally Posted by Innovate To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Wow, I might as well save up for a sex change since it's conclusive that mostly all attractive young women make heaps of money without effort. Or perhaps I'll log off and wake up from the fantasy realm.

Would you turn out as an attractive young woman if you got a sex change though?

I'm not sure where you are getting the "without effort" part though.

Maintaing beauty, dressing well, eating right, performing sexual services, etc... all takes a bit of effort.

[curiousgeorge01]

	Originally Posted by Nicole1975 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Yeah, that's kinda what I was saying...

There's a small difference in what I'm saying, it's not "I hope she will give me sex" it's "why get on her bad side if I might get it." But the latter phrase is more general because it's more akin to "don't get on people's bad side b/c you never know how they might be."

[sircockburn]

Well, unlike men, women are viewed more negatively as they age.

So, while in my window of opportunity, it makes sense to milk every aspect of it.

Oh, and there's no such thing as an ugly woman. Just a lazy one.

[superflax]

	Originally Posted by plotthickens To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Funny, when women rant like this about "how easy men have it, do they even realize??" we get both barrels. That is, irrational beg-ranting about "we get raped too" and its angry counterpart "shut up you feminist bitches". This "I hate the priviledged people" rant is met with "yep, sucks, doesn't it?". Fascinating.

I totally and completely agree with you. It's like men just have no clue.

Anyway to the OP, the may have it easier when they are younger but they are more prone to distrust the motives of people who want to befriend them.

To me being pretty is a curse.

[plotthickens]

	Originally Posted by sircockburn To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Oh, and there's no such thing as an ugly woman. Just a lazy one.

Everything that a woman does/does not do to her appearance revolves around men? This basic, pervasive attitude of "everything & everyone exists for my viewing pleasure or I fight/ignore it" is an example of the Male Gaze, where women are always seen as sex objects and judged not as people, but by how well they fulfill the viewer's sexual desires. It is taught by society and the media and it's sexist and stupid and wrong and needs to stop.

Learn more about what it is and how it affects our daily lives
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[peppersasen]

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	Do you know how much shit these people get from voters and the right wing of the media?

the same right wing of the media that's run by
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, good-looking men like Jack Donaghy?
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speaking of the media, some articles:

• Just How Good Is Too Good Looking in the Workplace?:
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• The Beauty Advantage:
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• Are Attractive People More Employable?:
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• Why Most Women Will Never Become CEO:
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  (and there will also never be an Asian US president because the Oval office has bad feng shui)
• Women are more jealous of a work rival if they are attractive and work well with men:
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• Workplace Discrimination: Beauty Can be a Beast at Work:
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• Beauty At Work: How Physical Appearance Impacts Job Search & Careers:
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you're welcome. *curtsies*

[AlfredSchnittke]

Originally Posted by plotthickens To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Everything that a woman does/does not do to her appearance revolves around men? This basic, pervasive attitude of "everything & everyone exists for my viewing pleasure or I fight/ignore it" is an example of the Male Gaze, where women are always seen as sex objects and judged not as people, but by how well they fulfill the viewer's sexual desires. It is taught by society and the media and it's sexist and stupid and wrong and needs to stop.

Here's the thing I don't get though. What is the alternative mechanism you propose for defining attraction?

Surely attraction is a social concept. If you grew up completely alone somehow, would you ever "Dress up"?...

Aren't attractive (heterosexual) men defined just as "those that are most pleasing to women of the society"?

What's the difference?

I mean, how would attraction (just talking about heterosexual men and women for now) be defined if not by social standards of how the other perceived their traits?

It's completely up to the individuals how much they want to go "with" or "against" the grain of whatever society they find themselves in, but I just don't get how ELSE attraction would be defined.

It seems assumed that attraction could be differently defined, but I don't get what the proposed mechanism to replace it is. If the idea is that in isolation the concept of attraction doesn't exist...well, ok, but whose living in total isolation? o.O

[sircockburn]

Originally Posted by plotthickens To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Everything that a woman does/does not do to her appearance revolves around men? This basic, pervasive attitude of "everything & everyone exists for my viewing pleasure or I fight/ignore it" is an example of the Male Gaze, where women are always seen as sex objects and judged not as people, but by how well they fulfill the viewer's sexual desires. It is taught by society and the media and it's sexist and stupid and wrong and needs to stop. Learn more about what it is and how it affects our daily lives To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. .

...what?? Where'd you get the idea that I was referring to "Male Gaze" or whatever? I just meant well-groomed in general, to be presentable to oneself (having pride in one's appearance) and also looking good to BOTH men and women, not just men.

[scorpiomover]

Originally Posted by Fox To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Of the pretty girls I've interact with in non job related setting. I find their day to day experiences tend to be less trouble free. If they had any trouble there's always someone willing to help. Whenever I hear an "Everyone was so nice to me there." story I want to scream, do you think your looks had something to do with it? Whenever I want to get my money back from a business with a No Refunds policy I just send a pretty girl to do it for me. They nearly always come back with the money. If I send someone less attractive they come back empty handed looking very frustrated.

Yes. But science shows that men's brains stop working when they see a pretty woman. When pretty women want an answer that requires intelligent rational thought, and the person who has the info they need, is a man, they are shit out of luck.

	Originally Posted by Fox To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	It is like they live in one reality and everyone else lives in a different one. When they are young they seem unaware of this fact.

Then when they get married, and want to be taken seriously in their profession, they find that everyone is staring at their breasts, and doesn't listen to a word they say.

Then when they start to lose their looks, they find themselves in the same boat you do, only they have never had to even try. Imagine if you were carried everywhere for the first 30 years of your life, and then they stopped. Imagine learning to walk for the first time, when everyone else has been doing it for quite literally decades.

[plotthickens]

	Originally Posted by sircockburn To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	...what?? Where'd you get the idea that I was referring to "Male Gaze" or whatever? I just meant well-groomed in general, to be presentable to oneself (having pride in one's appearance) and also looking good to BOTH men and women, not just men.

You are unaware of what Male Gaze is, therefore it is difficult to explain to you. Probably impossible with defensiveness on your side. Feel free to use the link.

	Originally Posted by AlfredSchnittke To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Here's the thing I don't get though. What is the alternative mechanism you propose for defining attraction?

I said nothing about an attraction mechanism. You are unaware of what Male Gaze is, therefore it is difficult to explain to you. Feel free to use the link.

[curiousgeorge01]

	Originally Posted by superflax To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	To me being pretty is a curse.

Really? Just like being smart is a curse too?

[Daniel86]

Originally Posted by Fox To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I think I'm starting to feel contempt towards young people women. This isn't a boo hoo I've been rejected by pretty girl rant. It is more of a, do they realize how easy they have it? rant. Take females in management position. Most of the ones under 25 in charge tend to be on the pretty side. You'll see attractive and average looking older management types but the young ones nearly always have the looks too. Like the pretty girls are some how ready for management after year on the job while the average ones have to wait five years. From my experience these pretty young management types always seem to be good at playing manager while not actually managing. They never seem to break a sweat, have a single misplaced hair and seem to find the time to chit chat. Then there's career opportunities. A ton of college students are graduating who will not be able to work in the field of their degrees and will have a hard time finding any job. Many companies have nearly done away with entry level jobs. Mid-level seems to be the new starting off point for professionals. This typically requires years of experience. Yet I keep coming across young pretty professionals who technically are too young to have both a degree plus the normal amount of experience. Of the pretty girls I've interact with in non job related setting. I find their day to day experiences tend to be less trouble free. If they had any trouble there's always someone willing to help. Whenever I hear an "Everyone was so nice to me there." story I want to scream, do you think your looks had something to do with it? Whenever I want to get my money back from a business with a No Refunds policy I just send a pretty girl to do it for me. They nearly always come back with the money. If I send someone less attractive they come back empty handed looking very frustrated. It is like they live in one reality and everyone else lives in a different one. When they are young they seem unaware of this fact.

No point resenting them, they are following their nature just like we follow ours. Just learn how to play them. As has been said, they only get those privileges in exchange for something. So best to concentrate on your studies and career, and then you will find plenty of pretty girls who want a piece. Just remember never to fall into the trap of trusting them, lol. It happens to all men at some point but as they say "fool me once shame on you, fool me twice..."

[Distance]

Originally Posted by Daniel86 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

No point resenting them, they are following their nature just like we follow ours. Just learn how to play them. As has been said, they only get those privileges in exchange for something. So best to concentrate on your studies and career, and then you will find plenty of pretty girls who want a piece. Just remember never to fall into the trap of trusting them, lol. It happens to all men at some point but as they say "fool me once shame on you, fool me twice..."

Bitter much? How dare they be attractive? In being attractive, they deserve to be used and abused because of my personal weakness.

[Daniel86]

	Originally Posted by Distance To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Bitter much? How dare they be attractive? In being attractive, they deserve to be used and abused because of my personal weakness.

We're all playing the same game. If you want something from me, then I want something in return. Realistic, yes. Where is the bitterness?

[Distance]

	Originally Posted by Daniel86 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	We're all playing the same game. If you want something from me, then I want something in return. Realistic, yes. Where is the bitterness?

Not seeing the missing link?

[Daniel86]

	Originally Posted by Distance To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Not seeing the missing link?

Do you mean that metaphorically, or did you pot a link which I am unable to see due to my low post count?

[Distance]

	Originally Posted by Daniel86 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Do you mean that metaphorically, or did you pot a link which I am unable to see due to my low post count?

There's no correlation between being able to view links and low post counts. So if it's not the latter, what does it mean? Rhetorical question so I'll explain it to you.

Shift your perspective, replacing pretty women with ugly men. Now do you see the disconnect?

[Daniel86]

	Originally Posted by Distance To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Shift your perspective, replacing pretty women with ugly men. Now do you see the disconnect?

In all honesty, no, I don't see any "disconnect" anywhere...

[Distance]

	Originally Posted by Daniel86 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	In all honesty, no, I don't see any "disconnect" anywhere...

So, just because people are born to look the way they look, they want something from you and aren't to be trusted?

[Daniel86]

	Originally Posted by Distance To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	So, just because people are born to look the way they look, they want something from you and aren't to be trusted?

As a woman, you are welcome to trust a guy. I wouldn't recommend it, but it's not my place to give you my advice.

As a man, I definitely won't take the risk on the 0.01% chance she is honest. If after many years, it proves to be so, then so much the better. If she didn't want anything then she won't have been affected by me not trusting her.

[Distance]

	Originally Posted by Daniel86 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	As a woman, you are welcome to trust a guy, but I wouldn't recommend it. As a man, I definitely won't take the risk on the 0.01% chance she is honest. If after many years, it proves to be so, then so much the better. If she didn't want anything then she won't have been affected by me not trusting her.

I see. Evidence of projection at work. Carry on then.

[babsa]

	Originally Posted by Daniel86 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	As a woman, you are welcome to trust a guy. I wouldn't recommend it, but it's not my place to give you my advice. As a man, I definitely won't take the risk on the 0.01% chance she is honest. If after many years, it proves to be so, then so much the better. If she didn't want anything then she won't have been affected by me not trusting her.

So you are just distrustful of people in general? Why did you bother dressing it up as misogynistic as possible?