[Distance]

Sometimes all out war paint, other times some and other times none. Depends on mood and occasion.

[Merle]

	Originally Posted by Booko To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	^this. And now they stick sunblock in everything it seems.

Yeah - my sister is allergic to some chemical in sunblock, but it's so hard to find a moisturiser that doesn't have an spf... she's always searching.

[MachOne]

I have a ton of makeup but hardly wear any. In fact, it's very rare these days for me to put it on. But I do like a bit of perfume - it has to be expensive though and more than not, it's french
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[ModernLit]

i only wear makeup for ballroom competitions. i don't recognize myself, and actually, no one on my team does either. it's like i'm a different person. hopefully it helps the dancing--i don't know.

[MortalWombat]

On me: I don't wear the foundation/concealer/whatever it is that goes on the entire face or whatever. If I wear makeup, it's usually just a little eyeliner/mascara. I'd say I don't wear it 75% of the time, though.

I go hiking and such a good bit, and so I end up wiping dirt or sweat out of my eyes and off of my face a good bit, which smudges or generally fucks up makeup. I prefer being as low-maintenance as possible, but with a little makeup to look "professional".

If I do wear more makeup, it's for an occasion, and I try to stick to natural or earthy colors (I don't like blues, purples, bright things that draw a lot of attention).

On other women: I generally do not prefer the concealer stuff. I like pores, I like blemishes, I like the things that give them character. I prefer none or minimal makeup on my mates, but it's not my choice. I'm not attracted to drastic makeup, though.

[Bullwinkle]

Natural - what is it with this make up stuff anyhow? Why are we women expected to "enhance" our appearance thus so, and men ( generally) do not. I am what I am,I do not need make up to improve my self confidence, nor do I feel the need for every male to find me sexually attractive. A big, expensive con by the cosmetic companies.

[Mind Marauder]

I prefer natural/no makeup, or very, very light makeup. However, if a girl can pull off makeup and still looks good without it, that's fine too.

[gh0st]

I like makeup on other women when it's well done, though I think most look best without.
For myself, I only wear it for special occasions. It mostly feels weird, I hate not being able to touch my face without worrying to smear something, and I don't think it makes me look that much better. (Though that's probably because I'm so used to my natural face.)
I love perfumes, but I have to be in the mood for it to wear them, sometimes I just can't bear any kind of smell on me. When it comes to others, it depends on the scent. The worst is if someone puts on a lot of something that I really dislike, and you can smell it all across the room and even when they've left. One of my colleagues has a very strong scent(that I like), and it amuses me how I always know when he's around even when I can't see or hear him.

The only thing that I'm really particular about looks-wise is my hair. I straighten and style it so I usually use some kind of hair product, but I try to keep it to a minimum.

[Sophiatrist]

It depends on where I am going and what I am wearing. Usually mascara and lip gloss at a minimum. The maximum would be to add a little loose powder over moisturizer, blush and eye shadow.

[Mystery]

I don't wear a lot of makeup. When i do it's only eye liner and mascara.
I never wear lipstick, blush or foundation. I just use moisturizer on my skin.

[Nicole1975]

	Originally Posted by Merle To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Yeah - my sister is allergic to some chemical in sunblock, but it's so hard to find a moisturiser that doesn't have an spf... she's always searching.

Me, too. If I wear sunscreen/sunblock, I get itchy and feel like my skin is burning worse than any sunburn so I just don't wear it. There was a day last summer when it was over 100 here and I was out by the pool for like 3 hours and I burnt. It hurt for a couple days and I put aloe on it. I felt better soon enough. (Ok, if you woulda asked me then, I would have said those were long days, but I got through them.)

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Fake up!
I hate that crap. I feel like it's floating on my skin and when I see it on women I think it usually looks gross, not good. I see like the make up is floating on their oily skin and their pores look disgusting. Some of the ideas presented here are so sexist and usually it's the women promoting men's sexist attitudes. Women are saying they don't deserve good jobs without it, they don't look presentable (you look like a hideous monster? Hey, men usually look disgusting and poor grooming with untucked shirts and stuff and it's about damn time we women get mad that 40 years after the feminist movement really blew through we are actually treated WORSE than before).

When women go to work, they should be going there TO WORK, not take sexual festishization to the max. High heels, short skirts and make up are SEXUAL!! Why the fuck do we call that "professional" attire and "presentable." There was a ditzy half naked Asian who went to Judge Judy's court like that to vouch for her brother. JJ asked her where the rest of her outfit was and she giggled all dummy sounding and said she thought she was dressed professionally. Burd-JJ's security guard-said something about "a different kind of profession." When I'm on the subway in the morning, I think most of the women look sooooo unprofessional. If they aren't dressed like a streetwalker, they are wearing flip flops to work. Please, oh puh-lease, someone explain to me how it's more "professional" to wear a business suit, flip flops and make up than no make up but wearing proper shoes. Oh and NYS actually has a law that you can't wear open-toed shoes in ANY workplace. It's considered unhygenic.

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Oh, and I think most men don't take women seriously NO MATTER WHAT WE WEAR which is the real reason why men want you women fetishized when you come to work.

[babsa]

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	Natural - what is it with this make up stuff anyhow? Why are we women expected to "enhance" our appearance thus so, and men ( generally) do not. I am what I am,I do not need make up to improve my self confidence, nor do I feel the need for every male to find me sexually attractive. A big, expensive con by the cosmetic companies.

Yes! :D

More women should follow your lead!


I find it pretty ridiculous that women in America are pretty much trying to maintain a "pristine" appearance. Eyebrows trimmed, absolutely no body hair anywhere, perfect skin, etc. Yet a guy with a scar on his cheek might have even more sex appeal. I can't think of the last time i saw a woman with a scar on her face, so i can't think of my reaction to it.

[LadySpock]

I feel the most attractive when I am stark naked.

[SwedenF]

	Originally Posted by Nicole1975 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Why the fuck do we call that "professional" attire and "presentable."

I must say I had a similar reaction when reading this thread. I don't quite understand the whole make up -> professional connection. Nor do I see why women should wear heels in a business environment. I can't say I've noticed that trend here, but I could be wrong.

But yeah, baffling. Professional is about being clean and elegant, and you don't need make up for that.

[tenken]

Natural ofc. But some make-up will never be too bad.

[Eyedears]

Generally speaking, unless a woman has a really washed out face, I don't think make-up is necessary. If a gal does apply it, she should do so in a very discreet way so she doesn't look like a trollup. It should enhance her good features, not draw attention to itself.

Regarding myself, up until this illness of mine got really bad, I looked fine au naturel. Once the natural look no longer sufficed, I'd wear a bit of blush and some really low-key lipstick, just to make sure the lips were visible, bec. they were so pale, I'd look like an Amish doll.
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The past 17+ years, for allergy reasons etc., I wear none at all, which is fine on the one hand, bec. I HHHHATE to primp & preen, but on the other hand, at this point in my life, I would definitely look more groomed with a bit of blush, lipstick and mascara.
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Later edit: To boost my morale, I also wore full face cosmetix for a while after a failed relationship in my early 30's.

[thehuman]

I think that make-up, perfume, and hair products are stupid wastes of energy. Everyone needs to be able to walk with their head's high without any of that mess. I only want to be around people who loves themselves and loves me for who I am.

[peppersasen]

are most people here aware of the difference between skin care and make-up?

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	^this. And now they stick sunblock in everything it seems. Really? I need sunblock in my chapstick in winter? On the recommendation of my trombonist husband I started going to the music store and buying Chopsaver instead. It works better and there is nothing dangerous in it.

does the sun stop shining during the winter? nope. does snow refelct UV rays? yes:

	Fresh snow reflects about 80% of the UV radiation compared to a dry, sandy beach (15%) or sea foam (25%). This is especially a problem in polar regions and at high altitudes, as with every thousand feet (approximately 305 meters) of elevation (above sea level), the intensity of UV rays increases by four percent.

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i think you should still have SPF on unless you live in Antarctica or some other buttfreezing place where everyone has Seasonal Affective Disorder (apparently, it's a thing... and that's why people commit suicide during the winter in the Netherlands. Google it).

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anyway, i do wear oil-controlling powder (medicated with salicylic acid, and contains iron oxides/zinc oxide in its ingredients to make up for the lack of SPF in my benzoyl peroxide moisturizer). i wear it when i leave the house. it helps absorb oil and it's convenient because then i don't have to use blotting paper all the time, and when my skin is matte, i look like someone who maintains her hygiene. i wouldn't call the oil-absorbing powder make-up, it's more like skin care to me.

i think i read someone say something extremely harsh about acne on this forum but i can't remember where (something about women's skin turning bad after their 20's). i'm in my late 20's and i'm about to turn 30 in a couple of years and this is the first time in my ENTIRE LIFE i've heard ANYONE demonizing people with acne for taking care of their blemishes. i can't even believe anyone would have said something so nasty about people with acne. we didn't ask for it, it may even be an allergy, it's bad enough when people think you have acne (which is caused by bacteria, mind you) because you have bad hygiene. it's hard, because it hits your self-esteem really hard to think your face is infested with germs. sometimes people never find out what's causing their acne (maybe it's a hormonal imbalance that makes you produce more sebum that bacteria feed on, who the fuck knows). what the fuck do you expect people with acne to do? leave them alone so you can look better than people with acne? because sure, if people with acne problems never took care of their acne problems, you'd have so much less competition.

you people. and your self-righteous attitudes, you think you're better than some other people because you're "too intellectual" to care about your looks, yet the stupid, shallow things you say about people with acne... some of you people just disgust me.

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	I see like the make up is floating on their oily skin and their pores look disgusting.

so some women lack make-up skills and don't know how to wear it to fit their skin types. you make it sound like women with oily skin don't have the right to wear what they want to wear. like they're sub-human or something.

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Most women have nasty skin by the time they hit 20. You see, they wear make up to cover up a zit. When they do that, they ruin some skin... then they wear make up to cover up that ruined skin, but the zit is now gone.... so that make up ruins the skin. It's an ongoing cycle until women in their 30's are looking like 40 something and on and on looking a decade or 3 older than the women who don't wear that crap.....

actually there's make-up (not skin care) that is medicated for acne (it's called "medicating", Nicole. when someone has a health condition and they have excessive amounts of bacteria on them, they medicate, because that's what you do when you're unwell). what you think is "damaging make-up", is what people do to medicate:

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also, oily skin tends to age well if one takes care their skin right:

Although oily skin can be a hassle, this skin type also has long-lasting advantages. Skin becomes less oily over time, so people who have normal skin in their youth often have dry skin when they are older. Those who have oily skin will find that their skin changes to the normal type over time. Oily skin ages very well, and wrinkling is far less pronounced in those who had oily skin when they were young.

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Oily Skin Delay Aging Process By R. Drysdale Women with oily skin often hope for an oily skin delay aging process - a slower transition to the thinner more wrinkled skin that we associate with old age. They may not be hoping entirely in vain: though it's true that women typically experience a drying effect on the skin when they reach menopause, having oily skin to begin with can make that process seem less intense. In addition, having oily skin appears to protect you from the development of those dark patches known as age spots. Having oily skin and aging isn't all positive however. With the hormone swings of menopause come changes in the sebaceous glands that produce the oil in your skin. You suddenly feel like a teenager again - dealing with embarrassing outbreaks of pimples and patches of oily skin mixed with drier areas much more troublesome than anything you've dealt with before. The challenge of providing both adequate cleansing and needed moisture to this mixed complexion may make you regret hoping for that oily skin delay aging process. So, "if you have oily skin will that delay aging?" can be a loaded question. You will still need to take extra special care of your skin during this time. The skin around your eyes and mouth and in the throat area tends to be drier and may need added moisture long before the rest of your facial skin. (We all know how signs of aging around the eyes can affect the look of the whole face.) The advice for women with other skin types applies equally to those dealing with oily skin and aging: protect your skin from the harmful rays of the sun and use a good quality, oil free, anti aging skin cream. Eat a healthy balanced diet - for oily skin, pay particular attention to A and B vitamins, and zinc. Choose low fat, high fiber foods and lots of fresh brightly colored vegetables. Don't smoke, or drink excessively. If you're experiencing an oily skin delay aging process, continue to use products specifically designed for oily skin. You'll need to cleanse regularly to avoid the problem of active sebaceous glands becoming clogged. At the same time, you need to be sure that you're not being too harsh on your skin, so keep up with regular moisturizing (always oil free products). If you indulge in regular salon facials, your skin care professional can help you map out a regular skin care routine and choose quality products so that you can enjoy all the benefits of oily skin and aging with a minimum of the trials. Therefore, don't ask "if you have oily skin will that delay aging?" but rather, "what special measures do I need to take to protect my skin to help it retain much of its natural moisture and foster an oily skin delay aging process?" Your oily skin will loose moisture, subcutaneous fat and elasticity as the years pass just like everyone else's, but you can take advantage of the good things in oily skin and aging if you take good care of your skin. R. Drysdale is a freelance writer with more than 25 years experience as a health care professional. You can learn more about oily skin delay aging process on the AntiAging Information site.

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	While this does not sound great, a huge plus for oily skin is that it tends to age slower than dryer skin types. This is because wrinkles are not as obvious as the skin tends to be more hydrated.

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do your research, Nicole. hatred doesn't breed knowledge...

[SwedenF]

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	you people. and your self-righteous attitudes, you think you're better than some other people because you're "too intellectual" to care about your looks, yet the stupid, shallow things you say about people with acne... some of you people just disgust me.

You do realize that comes across in pretty much the exact same way as what you are being mad about, right?

First off, I agree there's skin care and there's crap. Some people are just born with oily skin, and some people get a lot of acne. And yes, it's wrong to say that everyone with acne is disgusting and what not. But truth is, A LOT of people do put on crap that is only going to make it worse.

I've always been very dubious to using all the chemically man produced things other women wear. Used to discuss it a lot with my sister, who had a make up bag the size of a suit case. She had problem with acne for a really long time, and I have none at all. Never have. Now, I've got dry skin and she has oily, so she is definitely more "receptive". However, a while ago she became a total nature nut, and has slowly weeded out pretty much everything she used to use. Switched to make up that isn't full of crap, and uses a lot of natural products like honey or lemon for her "treatments". And the change is amazing. She hardly has any acne at all, and the skin over all is much smoother. All the crap she was using, was in fact making it a lot worse.

So, perhaps you shouldn't assume Nicole means every single person out there, but the ones that use the kind of product that is in fact worse for them. Maybe she meant all. You can't know until you ask.

Oh and, seasonal affective disorder is not so much about temperature. From what I know, it's far more related to day light. Because, let's face it, if you want "butt freezing", you don't go to Netherlands. It's colder there than some places, but "butt freezing" it ain't. Then again, perhaps there it's the temperature change. Here it's the lack of sun and light during the winter. If you read through the article on wikipedia, you'll see they treat it with light therapy. Which is basically to stick the person in a room with a lot of light. Doesn't do much about temperature. Not really related to snow either (Netherlands doesn't get much snow, you know).

Or perhaps you weren't saying the SAD is because of snow and cold? But then, why are you saying someone should wear SPF except if they live in a snowy place, right after quoting how snow is actually more dangerous combined with snow?

[peppersasen]

	Originally Posted by SwedenF To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	You do realize that comes across in pretty much the exact same way as what you are being mad about, right?

that's the point of my being mad. how do you people like it now, when someone else doing it do you? does it feel so great now? i'm glad it worked, because you noticed.

	Originally Posted by SwedenF To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	First off, I agree there's skin care and there's crap. Some people are just born with oily skin, and some people get a lot of acne. And yes, it's wrong to say that everyone with acne is disgusting and what not. But truth is, A LOT of people do put on crap that is only going to make it worse.

that is not the point. the point is, the way this user said it came off as "oily-skinned people shouldn't have the same right to wear whatever they want". she made it sound like we're less human, we're disgusting people. i have never cried over my acne problem, no matter how much it hit my self-esteem, until today. i really, seriously do not think it was necessary for her to use the word "disgusting". was that REALLY NECESSARY? no. she could have just said, "it looks bad" or "if they want to wear make-up, at least learn how apply it to suit their skin type". we're grown woman here, we should know how to be respectful. if she doesn't want to look at the "disgusting oily face", then she can look away, she has the right not to look at it if she doesn't want to, but there's no need to call it "disgusting".

you people are often accusing women who use make-up of having self-esteem problems, but people like her are one of the biggest reasons why people HAVE self-esteem problems in the first place.

you don't berate people for having acne or being overweight no matter how unattractive it is (it's like you can't assume an overweight person is an over-eater with lack of self-control, they may have thyroid problems). it's a "chronic inflammatory skin disease", and just because it's common, doesn't mean it's normal, but what's REALLY abnormal is berating such people and making out like they're stupid for taking care of their acne problems.

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	All the crap she was using, was in fact making it a lot worse.

actually, i just learned that that's how salicylic acid works. it makes your skin break-out very badly because it pushes out everything your pores are clogged with (which will happen for a longer period of time if you've had acne for ages). that's just how good anti-acne products work:
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i didn't know this before. a bad acne product will stop acne for growing (but will not cleanse/purify your pores from what's clogging it, so once you stop using them, your pores are still clogged). by the third week of my using the cleanser/lotion/toner i am using now, my skin broke out like crazy, and i'd literally have fat/white heads come out of my pores, but i'm on my 7th week and my skin has seriously cleared out. and now i just use the product for maintenance. i used to change products everytime my skin began reacting to it because i had no patience and i thought "it wasn't working", when in fact it was. good acne products sometimes make your skin worst before it gets better.

	Originally Posted by SwedenF To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	So, perhaps you shouldn't assume Nicole means every single person out there, but the ones that use the kind of product that is in fact worse for them. Maybe she meant all. You can't know until you ask.

why doesn't she go ask ONE BY ONE, the people she meets who "have disgusting make-up flowing on their oily skins and disgusting-looking pores" and actually ASK them what EXACTLY is on their skin? because that could be medication. at one point, i had a skin treatment that LOOKED LIKE make-up because it was yellow-ish, but in fact it was 100% PURE skin care and the only reason why it was yellow-ish was because it contained sulfur. it's just how sulfur LOOKS. it looked terrible, it would run into my pores and dry in my pores and it was embarrassing. she's talking about it like every single person with color on their skin is wearing a cosmetic product when in fact, it would be a tinted medicated skin care that's tinted because it's designed to conceal or just because that's how an element/key ingredient looks.

how would YOU feel if you got sick and the physical side-effects YOU were getting from the treatment (be it hair loss, uneven fast distribution, or extreme paleness) were called "disgusting"? or how would YOU feel if someone said, "you smell like disgusting chemicals" after you've been on long-term medication, like an IV drip after 2-week hospitalization and 7 types of pills 3x daily? even if you DO think it's disgusting, do you HAVE to say it?

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Oh and, seasonal affective disorder is not so much about temperature. From what I know, it's far more related to day light. Because, let's face it, if you want "butt freezing", you don't go to Netherlands. It's colder there than some places, but "butt freezing" it ain't. Then again, perhaps there it's the temperature change. Here it's the lack of sun and light during the winter. If you read through the article on wikipedia, you'll see they treat it with light therapy. Which is basically to stick the person in a room with a lot of light. Doesn't do much about temperature. Not really related to snow either (Netherlands doesn't get much snow, you know). Or perhaps you weren't saying the SAD is because of snow and cold? But then, why are you saying someone should wear SPF except if they live in a snowy place, right after quoting how snow is actually more dangerous combined with snow?

"butt freezing" is subjective, isn't it? because i currently live in the tropics and i even have to bring a sweater HERE in my bag at all times in case i can't handle air-conditioning. and i can't handle air-conditioning. i have very little body fat (i'm 5'0" and i weight somewhere between 37-41kg), so i'm very sensitive to cold. the Netherlands is even cold for me in the transition between Spring and Summer and it was cold for me by Autumn. anything under 30ºC is cold for me.

i NEVER said "someone should wear SPF except if they live in a snowy place", i said "someone should wear SPF EVEN if they live in a snowy place". in fact they should wear more. in fact, i was responding to a post that implied it was ridiculous to wear SPF during the winter.

did you know that the suicide stats go way up during the winter in the Netherlands? that's why the trains tend to be late during the winter. not because of the snow, or the rails are covered in ice. but suicide rates are rising because people with winter blues who commit suicide once the sky gets a little darker for a little longer, the train gets delayed because the police have to take care of a deceased's body. the point of my post was: the use of SPF and how some users here think it's "stupid" to use SPF, when in fact i literally think you can get skin cancer from snow boarding outside for too long in the daylight. my point was: even when in places that are so DARK they get depressed over the darkness and need special lights next to their beds (and yes, i am aware of the ones Philips manufactures), people will still need SPF because the snow reflects UV rays, which IMHO just makes it worst/riskier. i'm surprised someone would speak of winter sunscreen like it's stupid.

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you know, i get really confused here: how does an individual insult someone's natural looks (their oily-skin which nature gave them) and then say equally bad things about so-called "fake-up" to cover up that same natural look they say is disgusting. there's no winning when you're a woman, is there? no matter how you look: with or without make-up, you will always look wrong. and it's even sadder when it's OTHER WOMEN (not men), who are saying these things to fellow women. i just don't get it. it's not that i care about pleasing people who are "disgusted" by people's skin types, nor am i concerned about what people think of me when i DO wear something perceived to be "make-up" (a cosmetic product as opposed to a skin care/medication). what concerns me is your attitude toward other women and the way they look (and to be a little off topic here, in addition to the anti-natural look AND anti-make-up attitude, there's the slut shaming--which is pointless because, like i mentioned on another thread,
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Well, as a naturally pretty woman, I can see the difference in how I'm treated through changes in types of dress, weight gains and loss, with and without makeup etc. At the end of the day, if I can be treated better (which I don't think is so true) by being more done up/wearing revealing clothing/keeping my weight down, such is life. People live their lives, as best as we can. "Advantages are taken not handed out..." -Metallica

being "naturally pretty" doesn't entitle you to say nasty things about people who are NOT "naturally pretty" (such as people with sensitive skin types, like acne-prone ones) and it also doesn't give you ANY right to demonize women who make an effort to look more attractive. if they end up looking more attractive than your "natural beauty" because of their make-up, then good for them, but it's none of your business, really. you can get worked up about it, and get bitter and pissed off that they're getting positive attention because of their looks, you can hold a preference to like/dislike the look (and to my understanding, this very thread is supposed to be about stating your personal preference, not to criminalize the act of making oneself more attractive), but you still have no right to condemn them for prettifying themselves. it's their bodies, women have the right to do what they want to do with their bodies. and people who claim they are "feminists" have NO RIGHT to tell other women what they should/should not be doing with their bodies (unless you're a certified physician).

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	it's about damn time we women get mad that 40 years after the feminist movement really blew through we are actually treated WORSE than before).

yeah, well it's about damn time we women get mad that women treat fellow women so badly, and are so harsh toward each other for what other women decide to do with their bodies AND how they naturally look.

[SwedenF]

	Originally Posted by peppersasen To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	that's the point of my being mad. how do you people like it now, when someone else doing it do you? does it feel so great now? i'm glad it worked, because you noticed.

You do realize that by doing the exact thing yourself, you pretty much lose the right to complain, right? You are basically going by "an eye for an eye", trying to get revenge on people by being rude yourself. How is that a good approach?

	Originally Posted by peppersasen To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	you people are often accusing women who use make-up of having self-esteem problems, but people like her are one of the biggest reasons why people HAVE self-esteem problems in the first place.

Do you think "us people" don't have people that down-talk things about us? Check any thread here about bullying, and see how many replies it has of the people you are including in your "you people"-category.

You have to realize, that it's your choice to care what she says. It's just a random person on the internet. Does it matter what she thinks about your products? No, because YOU know it's medicinal, and that it's for a good reason. That's all that should matter to you. YOUR opinion. As long as you let it get to you, you are letting people have power over you. People are always going to have opinions and say things you won't agree with. It's up to you to learn to ignore it. It's wrong to say "stupid" things, but it's also wrong to react on it. Which you are doing.

	Originally Posted by peppersasen To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	actually, i just learned that that's how salicylic acid works.

I did not say she used salicylic acid, you are assuming to know what I mean by crap. When I say crap, I mean actual crap, that has no positive function whatsoever but prettiness at the cost of destroying your skin. Crap, for real. Not seems-crap-but-isn't-actually.

	Originally Posted by peppersasen To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	"butt freezing" is subjective, isn't it?

Yes, it is. And I'm sure to someone that is used to really high temperatures, Netherlands is freezing. I'm just finding it amusing that you are choosing an example of a country that by "scientific" standard isn't all that bad.

	Originally Posted by peppersasen To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	i NEVER said "someone should wear SPF except if they live in a snowy place"

You said "i think you should still have SPF on unless you live in Antarctica". You should wear it, unless you live somewhere cold. You are listing the cold place with a lot of snow as the exception. Hence my confusion.

	Originally Posted by peppersasen To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	did you know that the suicide stats go way up during the winter in the Netherlands?

Yes. I do know. I live in Sweden. We broke snow records all over the place 2009 and 2010. Even our southern tip was snow-covered for months. The winter 2010-2011 the area they collected the excess snow in where I live was snow covered until end of june, and it only melted then because they went at it with machines and spread it out. I'm well aware of the effects long dark cold winters have.

	Originally Posted by peppersasen To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	i'm surprised someone would speak of winter sunscreen like it's stupid.

If you had read Booko's previous posts, you'd see that her skin is very sensitive and breaks out from all sorts of things. Do you proclaim to know better than her what's good for her skin? If you aren't sensitive to sun, and you don't have snow where you live in winter, it's quite possible you'll get by more than fine without sunblock, if that causes reactions of a negative kind. Point is, you are doing the exact same thing you are pissed about. Assuming to know what the other one means, rather than asking. If Nicole should ask every single person what they use, shouldn't you ask Booko why she doesn't want sunblock?

	Originally Posted by Booko To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	If someone is outdoors a lot staying away from anything blossom-scented is usually a good idea. I've gardened a lot so I tend to use unscented products. I don't mind having bees around, but I don't need to make myself a bee-magnet either.

I didn't see this back then, so I'll reply now. Thing is, it doesn't matter what I do, I'm a bee/wasp magnet either way. They just love me, with or without perfume. Which is why I don't tend to go outside during wasp/bee season, if I can avoid it.

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	Originally Posted by SwedenF To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	You said "i think you should still have SPF on unless you live in Antarctica".

my point was:
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. to my knowledge, they stay there short-term to do research, but they're not "residents" there, they actually "live" elsewhere. that means, EVERYONE should wear SPF.

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Originally Posted by SwedenF To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

If you had read Booko's previous posts, you'd see that her skin is very sensitive and breaks out from all sorts of things. Do you proclaim to know better than her what's good for her skin? If you aren't sensitive to sun, and you don't have snow where you live in winter, it's quite possible you'll get by more than fine without sunblock, if that causes reactions of a negative kind. Point is, you are doing the exact same thing you are pissed about. Assuming to know what the other one means, rather than asking. If Nicole should ask every single person what they use, shouldn't you ask Booko why she doesn't want sunblock?

i read the whole thread. and frankly i feel really bad for her allergies. i want commenting on this:

	Originally Posted by Booko To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Really? I need sunblock in my chapstick in winter?

yes, you do need sunblock in your Chapstick during winter. and i feel bad for her allergies, and also bad that she believes you don't need any in the winter.

	Originally Posted by SwedenF To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Yes, it is. And I'm sure to someone that is used to really high temperatures, Netherlands is freezing. I'm just finding it amusing that you are choosing an example of a country that by "scientific" standard isn't all that bad.

i chose the Netherlands because i have been there and i know first hand how dark and cold it can get. and it is not because i am "used to high temperatures", it is because i am sensitive to cold. my other family members and other people from the South can handle the Netherlands better than me. like i said, it's subjective.

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Originally Posted by SwedenF To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

You have to realize, that it's your choice to care what she says. It's just a random person on the internet. Does it matter what she thinks about your products? No, because YOU know it's medicinal, and that it's for a good reason. That's all that should matter to you. YOUR opinion. As long as you let it get to you, you are letting people have power over you. People are always going to have opinions and say things you won't agree with. It's up to you to learn to ignore it. It's wrong to say "stupid" things, but it's also wrong to react on it. Which you are doing.

she can think whatever she wants to think, my point was: is it really her place to voice that some's natural LOOKS are disgusting? especially since she's positioning herself as an "anti-make-up advocate"? she's hurting people's self-esteem and yet other anti-make-up people go around speaking negatively about people who DO wear make-up as "people with low self-esteem". now, i may be a grown woman and i know what i wear what i wear for and i know i can't help but have oily skin. BUT think about younger girls who hear the word "disgusting" about oily skin and how that can affect their self-esteem in the future. i wouldn't be surprised if they ended up wearing the most make-up as adults.

[Awesome]

I like both personally.

I do believe that people with a happy positive vibe or glow look better without makeup then someone who is down and depressed.

It is like an outward expression of their inner feelings. Happy fun loving people will look great with or without makeup.

I personally am not fond of "base" put on thick.
Especially when they can't match their skin tone.

[Tinpusher]

I like a fine woman, a woman who's body is so tight I could bounce a grape off of her belly.

I like a woman who is so sweet that when I ooze up to her in a nightclub I say "Damn, you so fine I should take you home and pour you on my pancakes sugar...Mmmm!"

I like a woman who takes the time and effort to prettify and make herself look just perfect for the plucking...Like a juicy ripe peach...That way when we inevitably copulate all the hours I invest in my gym time, waxing, and treatments has been worth it.

*whistles innocently with the hook in the water*

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	Originally Posted by peppersasen To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	they actually "live" elsewhere. that means, EVERYONE should wear SPF.

I'm sorry, but you are not making any sense to me, at all.

I have skin as white as a ghost (they tend to call me ghost when I visit tropic places) and I burn REALLY easily. I live where it's snowy and cold. And I don't wear sunblock in winter, unless I go skiing, and I've never gotten burned or had a problem. The chapstick I use is from a beefarm, and contains bee wax, olive oil and rose oil. It's the only one that's actually worked. Most commercial chapsticks contains things that makes your lips worse, so that you'll buy more chapstick.

Point being, there's no one universal truth that is the best option for everyone. The best option, is the one that works, and mine works just fine without sunblock.

	Originally Posted by peppersasen To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	now, i may be a grown woman and i know what i wear what i wear for and i know i can't help but have oily skin.

Well, sorry to say, but it seems as though you are butthurt and taking it very personally. If you aren't then great for you, but that's what it seems like. And I'm afraid I don't really buy the whole "think of the young girls". The world is what it is, trying to protect people is not helping them. Teaching them the proper way to handle it when people do say "mean" things, is actually helping them. Trying to stop people from saying things is a futile fight, focusing on how to deal with it at least has some hope of working.

There's plenty of posts here on intjf that talks negatively about things that are a part of my life, showing high levels of ignorance and short-sightedness. I don't proclaim holy war on them, because I know it's no point. I'm far too old to give a sh*t if people understand. The ones who don't, are simply not worth my time. The ones who do, wouldn't say it in the first place. So it's a non-issue.

	Originally Posted by Tinpusher To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	*whistles innocently with the hook in the water*

So basically, you want fruit? I'm confused >_<
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