[Fox]

I think I'm starting to feel contempt towards young people women. This isn't a boo hoo I've been rejected by pretty girl rant. It is more of a, do they realize how easy they have it? rant.

Take females in management position. Most of the ones under 25 in charge tend to be on the pretty side. You'll see attractive and average looking older management types but the young ones nearly always have the looks too. Like the pretty girls are some how ready for management after year on the job while the average ones have to wait five years. From my experience these pretty young management types always seem to be good at playing manager while not actually managing. They never seem to break a sweat, have a single misplaced hair and seem to find the time to chit chat.

Then there's career opportunities. A ton of college students are graduating who will not be able to work in the field of their degrees and will have a hard time finding any job. Many companies have nearly done away with entry level jobs. Mid-level seems to be the new starting off point for professionals. This typically requires years of experience. Yet I keep coming across young pretty professionals who technically are too young to have both a degree plus the normal amount of experience.

Of the pretty girls I've interact with in non job related setting. I find their day to day experiences tend to be less trouble free. If they had any trouble there's always someone willing to help. Whenever I hear an "Everyone was so nice to me there." story I want to scream, do you think your looks had something to do with it? Whenever I want to get my money back from a business with a No Refunds policy I just send a pretty girl to do it for me. They nearly always come back with the money. If I send someone less attractive they come back empty handed looking very frustrated.

It is like they live in one reality and everyone else lives in a different one. When they are young they seem unaware of this fact.

[AlfredSchnittke]

Yup, being born an attractive woman gives one pretty much all of the privileges any amount of money could give you, plus a whole other set of privileges that aren't even possible to attain for most of us mere mortals.

[Tocsin]

"HEY SPANKY!!! I FOUND US A NEW CLUBHOUSE!"

"That's great... I'll set up the sign... You tell Darla to bring the lemonade in here."


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Yipee!!!

[Clicka]

When the powerful male animals want to mate with you, you're granted some power yourself at a small price.

[Kisai]

	Originally Posted by Fox To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	It is like they live in one reality and everyone else lives in a different one. When they are young they seem unaware of this fact.

How would you act in a different manner if you were in their shoes?

Like if I could shake my boobies a bit and magically get what I wanted, I'd milk that cow.

[sunitaishot]

such is life, it's the human condition.

[Tocsin]

	Originally Posted by Kisai To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	... if I could shake my boobies a bit and magically get what I wanted, I'd milk that cow.

There are plenty of guys over fifty and 200+ pounds who have tried.

For some reason... the magic just doesn't work.

[Mind Marauder]

An organism maximizes that which reality allows it to. The human animal has a funny tendency for becoming jealous over this fact when it manifests itself in human society. However, humans are the "self-domesticated animal", so if people get upset over beautiful women, they really should be getting upset with natural selection, evolution, the human species, and the myriad of other causal occurrences that have helped shape popular opinions of beauty. But that would be silly and a complete waste of time.

[Zsych]

Attractiveness automatically increases most people's estimate of the value of that person and what they say. Add makeup and high heels and you not only look better than a normal human, you also have the additional benefit of being at a height where you can leverage the human 'tall people are better' bias.

In a way they are better suited to being managers, at least in the sense that more people will listen to them and do as they ask.

A person with more charisma really just needs a couple of talented people around them, whose abilities they can leverage, and they are set. In a way, they are even responsible for the team's success because they can motivate more easily :)

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Originally Posted by Mind Marauder To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

An organism maximizes that which reality allows it to. The human animal has a funny tendency for becoming jealous over this fact when it manifests itself in human society. However, humans are the "self-domesticated animal", so if people get upset over beautiful women, they really should be getting upset with natural selection, evolution, the human species, and the myriad of other causal occurrences that have helped shape popular opinions of beauty. But that would be silly and a complete waste of time.

Still, at least people who are more intelligent and want to rise above being human, can admit to their flaws and try to correct the behavior (hopefully without causing drama - as you say, there is no point in resenting reality :) )

[Autumnleaf]

Pretty women have it rough. They have to tell nice guys to fuck off day after day after day...

The nice guys are like, yeah that is messed up.

To which I reply, nice guys are liars. They are hiding how they really are which makes them untrustworthy. ie Are you really opening the door for me because you are a nice guy or because you want to see my ass when I walk in ahead of you? Or both.

Pretty women have it harder than the rest of us in some ways.

[plotthickens]

Funny, when women rant like this about "how easy men have it, do they even realize??" we get both barrels. That is, irrational beg-ranting about "we get raped too" and its angry counterpart "shut up you feminist bitches".

This "I hate the priviledged people" rant is met with "yep, sucks, doesn't it?".

Fascinating.

[Zsych]

Originally Posted by Autumnleaf To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Pretty women have it rough. They have to tell nice guys to fuck off day after day after day... The nice guys are like, yeah that is messed up. To which I reply, nice guys are liars. They are hiding how they really are which makes them untrustworthy. ie Are you really opening the door for me because you are a nice guy or because you want to see my ass when I walk in ahead of you? Or both. Pretty women have it harder than the rest of us in some ways.

heh. You would have to be seriously weak minded to consider that hardship.

... In reality, I've actually hired pretty girls before purely because I thought they'd be better tools to sell some things that I needed to sell (and I'm in software). Having them around adds a kind of value.

[Saggita]

	Originally Posted by plotthickens To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Funny, when women rant like this about "how easy men have it, do they even realize??" we get both barrels. That is, irrational beg-ranting about "we get raped too" and its angry counterpart "shut up you feminist bitches". This "I hate the priviledged people" rant is met with "yep, sucks, doesn't it?". Fascinating.

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Fascinating, indeed.

I just needed to use that image somewhere because it is gold.

To the OP: Wat about the uglah womanz?!

[Zsych]

	Originally Posted by plotthickens To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Funny, when women rant like this about "how easy men have it, do they even realize??" we get both barrels. That is, irrational beg-ranting about "we get raped too" and its angry counterpart "shut up you feminist bitches". This "I hate the priviledged people" rant is met with "yep, sucks, doesn't it?". Fascinating.

Men don't have it easy, because men don't hack the system by default.

In the past, men didn't have it easy and get to have glory at work - they were typically stuck in miserable work environments and often subject to some lord or the other, while also being enslaved to their wives
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And yes, the correct response is "yep, sucks, doesn't it? Feh."
There's no point in objecting to someone else's advantage. You take what you want to take. The only right that you have is that you made it happen.

[Distance]

	Originally Posted by plotthickens To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Funny, when women rant like this about "how easy men have it, do they even realize??" we get both barrels. That is, irrational beg-ranting about "we get raped too" and its angry counterpart "shut up you feminist bitches". This "I hate the priviledged people" rant is met with "yep, sucks, doesn't it?". Fascinating.

Exactly my thoughts. Whatever women do is bad/irrational/[insert negative anything] and whatever men do is good/rational/[insert positive anything].

Oh and OP, sucks to be you.
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[AlfredSchnittke]

	Originally Posted by Clicka To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	When the powerful male animals want to mate with you, you're granted some power yourself at a small price.

What's the price?

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	Originally Posted by plotthickens To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Funny, when women rant like this about "how easy men have it, do they even realize??" we get both barrels.

What is an example of this?...

Like, "men can lift heavy things so easily for women, don't they realize!" ?

It's not quite the same thing...

[UltraIncredible]

Originally Posted by Mind Marauder To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

An organism maximizes that which reality allows it to. The human animal has a funny tendency for becoming jealous over this fact when it manifests itself in human society. However, humans are the "self-domesticated animal", so if people get upset over beautiful women, they really should be getting upset with natural selection, evolution, the human species, and the myriad of other causal occurrences that have helped shape popular opinions of beauty. But that would be silly and a complete waste of time.

Translation: Don't hate the player, hate the game.

	Originally Posted by Autumnleaf To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	To which I reply, nice guys are liars. They are hiding how they really are which makes them untrustworthy. ie Are you really opening the door for me because you are a nice guy or because you want to see my ass when I walk in ahead of you? Or both.

They're not "nice guys". They're guys with low dominance. It IS possible to be both nice and dominant.

	Originally Posted by plotthickens To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Funny, when women rant like this about "how easy men have it, do they even realize??" we get both barrels. That is, irrational beg-ranting about "we get raped too" and its angry counterpart "shut up you feminist bitches". This "I hate the priviledged people" rant is met with "yep, sucks, doesn't it?". Fascinating.

(I'm not disagreeing with you here.) To me, women appear to have it easier socially, as in the amount of effort required to develop a social circle and a significant other is less than it would be for a similar male. However, men appear to have it better overall, as in the amount of respect, power and wealth they get compared to women in society. Also, the inability to get laid is not a terrible price to pay when you don't have to worry about getting raped.

[Saggita]

	Originally Posted by AlfredSchnittke To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	What is an example of this?... Like, "men can lift heavy things so easily for women, don't they realize!" ? It's not quite the same thing...

Have you ever looked around -- a bit, just a bit -- the modern feminism thread? Or any thread discussing abortion at all?

[Still Standing]

There's always a downside to everything good in life. In this case:

- "Does this person like me for my personality or for my looks?"
- linked to the above, having your intelligence underestimated
- attracting a-holes who treat you disrespectfully, as an object
- being intimidating to those guys who aren't a-holes
- having a hard time befriending other women, who feel threatened or jealous
- it's nice to go unnoticed and have some privacy once in a while

[leslissocool]

See I disagree with the fact that attractive women tend to be listened to more. That's not the case where I have lived (Europe/US). I've herd the most gorgeous women have their argument completely ignored in college debate classes because they were "bimbos". Specially young ones, I could say something to someone, 10 minutes later the person tells me my husband just gave them GREAT advice (he just repeated what he heard me saying). But I am over 10 years younger, so I must not know about life. Or how to deal with people and situations.

There is so much stereotype about pretty women, I notice a lot of high range workers cut their long hair off to look more "masculine" and be able to get more respect from men. A friend had to cut her long hair off to get into the firm she wanted, to about her shoulder, she said she experienced a dramatic change in her co-workers behavior.

From my experience, it seems that many men tend to think it's either beauty or brains, like it would be impossible/unfair for a person to posses both?

And I must add, in some countries women are STILL considered property. How is that having it easy socially? Maybe in the US, although women get payed 25% less than their co workers. The data speaks for itself.

[Moxiie]

*looks around quizzically*

this conversation is actually happening still?

*shakes head*

ahhh. the power of sex, biology and procreation.

there's a chance that there are attractive women who actually do have the capacity to operate in the position they occupy and got there through hard work and dedication...and it strikes me that if the situation exists as articulated in the OP, that the real blame there lays with the (likely) old perverted male supervisor who put her there.

[Distance]

Attractive women slept their way to the top. Attractive men deserve their positions.

[Tocsin]

The way the guys here (at least in this thread) think about girls, and girls about guys, it's a wonder anyone in here is "gettin' any."

Or does this explain things?
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[Autumnleaf]

	Originally Posted by Zsych To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	heh. You would have to be seriously weak minded to consider that hardship. ... In reality, I've actually hired pretty girls before purely because I thought they'd be better tools to sell some things that I needed to sell (and I'm in software). Having them around adds a kind of value.

I've done the same thing, and seen older guys make passes that were doomed from the start. The old guy feels bad and the poor girl gets flustered too.

I've also gone out with pretty coworkers, as a group, and seen the attention they get that they get tired of quickly. This went on all night long and the girl wasn't dressed trashy either.

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	Originally Posted by UltraIncredible To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Translation: Don't hate the player, hate the game. They're not "nice guys". They're guys with low dominance. It IS possible to be both nice and dominant.

Thank you for correcting me there. Its good to know someone here has a good understanding of this stuff.

[UltraIncredible]

	Originally Posted by Tocsin To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	"That's great... I'll set up the sign... You tell Darla to bring the lemonade in here." To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Wait, why would they be Obama voters?