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	Originally Posted by ImINFJ To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Plato documented that he was told by Egyptian priests that our word has gone through a major human extinction from a higher civilization not only once but four times in the past. The Hopi Indian culture claims the same thing.

I didn't know that. Which book of Plato's is that from? I've read something very similar from a different author.

[ImINFJ]

	Originally Posted by davai To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I didn't know that. Which book of Plato's is that from? I've read something very similar from a different author.

I don't remember which book of Plato. I am INFJ, can't remember many specific details. I read about it in another book about worldwide ancient histories of major human extinction events through world-wide cataclysms and it gave the reference there. It also said that ancient Chinese records document that the sun once rose in the West and set in the east which sounds like evidence of a major geographical pole shift/continental drift or that the earth really did change direction of spin.

---------- Post added 06-17-2012 at 09:06 AM ----------

Originally Posted by ImINFJ To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I don't remember which book of Plato. I am INFJ, can't remember many specific details. I read about it in another book about worldwide ancient histories of major human extinction events through world-wide cataclysms and it gave the reference there. It also said that ancient Chinese records document that the sun once rose in the West and set in the east which sounds like evidence of a major geographical pole shift/continental drift or that the earth really did change direction of spin.

I don't remember which book but I remember if I search "world's in collision" on Amazon, the book shows up as another book that people often buy when they buy that book.

[Tath]

The real question is when did it arrive in Bolivia. Chances are it was not thousands of years ago. If it did, well then huh..

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	To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Maybe the ancient world was a small world after all. What do you make of this find?

More evidence that the ancient world was a very small world after all


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Originally Posted by ImINFJ To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I don't remember which book of Plato. I am INFJ, can't remember many specific details. I read about it in another book about worldwide ancient histories of major human extinction events through world-wide cataclysms and it gave the reference there. It also said that ancient Chinese records document that the sun once rose in the West and set in the east which sounds like evidence of a major geographical pole shift/continental drift or that the earth really did change direction of spin.

Did a quick search and some skim reading. Seems to have been the Timaeus, which just happens to be one of the few Plato books I've not yet read. Think i'll have to go order that now. Anyway, pole/plate shift thing is also pretty interesting. If you've not already read it, Graham Hancock's
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is worth a look, as it details this theory and others, along with more Atlantis theories. It's apparently been dismissed as pseudo science/archaeology by the mainstream, but judging by what you've already written i don't think that'll put you off. This wasn't the source i mentioned before though, that was from
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	Originally Posted by Autumnleaf To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Maybe the ancient world was a small world after all.

Most people have a distorted or incomplete view of the ancient world as is.

	What do you make of this find?

Fake, black market, or shitty scholarship.

Based on the site and what I've been able to piece together, I'm going with the last option as most likely.

Firstly, a single supposedly "Sumerian" artifact found in Bolivia does not lend itself to making wide conclusions about Sumerian migration, contact, or trade in that region of the world. If there were 15 bowls, it'd be another story.

Secondly, "Of particular interest is that the people of the Fuente Magna, referred to the Goddess as Nia. Nia, is the Linear-A term for Neith. Neith is the Greek name for the Egyptian Goddess Nt or Neit, Semitic Anat."
"Using the phonetic values of the Vai script, Dr. Winters has been able to decipher the Indus Valley and Linear A writing."

That's bullshit on a stick. Linear A is undecipherable, and the most you'll get are papers making comparisons to things like Linear B or other early scripts.

Thirdly, the guy who made the site (and presumably wrote the article) has a Ph.D in Entomology and plant pathology, which might explain why the thing doesn't read like any archaeological paper I've ever read. This "Dr. Winters" character who supposedly translated the piece? I can't find crap about him. Generally speaking, finding a scholar's CV should be the easiest thing in the world to do. I decided which schools I wanted to apply to for my Ph.D by looking at profs' CVs, reading their articles, and figuring out which department had professors who matched my research interests.

This Dr. Winters appears to exist only on the internet. Too bad, because if he's able to decipher Linear A writing, he'd probably be considered one of the greatest contributors of the century to my field. Seriously, if he can figure decipher Linear A, there's prestige, fame, money, and bitches he's missing out on. He'll be more famous than Heinrich Schliemann, Edward Gibbon, and Mary Beard combined.

To chalk it all up:
This is another bad pesudo-academic article designed to deceive people who don't know what the fuck they're looking at.

Sturgeon's Law people, the internet is full of bullshit.

[ImINFJ]

Originally Posted by davai To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Did a quick search and some skim reading. Seems to have been the Timaeus, which just happens to be one of the few Plato books I've not yet read. Think i'll have to go order that now. Anyway, pole/plate shift thing is also pretty interesting. If you've not already read it, Graham Hancock's To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. is worth a look, as it details this theory and others, along with more Atlantis theories. It's apparently been dismissed as pseudo science/archaeology by the mainstream, but judging by what you've already written i don't think that'll put you off. This wasn't the source i mentioned before though, that was from To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. .

I would be interested to know what you find in reading Timaeus. Thank you for posting.


This book, page 75, also refers to Plato writing about major human exterminations in the past, but does not reference which of Plato's writings:



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Originally Posted by davai To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Did a quick search and some skim reading. Seems to have been the Timaeus, which just happens to be one of the few Plato books I've not yet read. Think i'll have to go order that now. Anyway, pole/plate shift thing is also pretty interesting. If you've not already read it, Graham Hancock's To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. is worth a look, as it details this theory and others, along with more Atlantis theories. It's apparently been dismissed as pseudo science/archaeology by the mainstream, but judging by what you've already written i don't think that'll put you off. This wasn't the source i mentioned before though, that was from To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. .

I may have read this book of Hancocks and think I have at least one other of his in my library.

No, lack of support from mainstream science or archaeology doesn't put me off from giving something a look because I know how bi-assed those people are, pun intended. In consider myself open-minded which means I actually at least give something a glance or read about it before rejecting it, unlike others who think they are smart who immediately reject anything contrary to what they were taught the first time they heard of the subject.

I have read of many instances where truth has been suppressed by the mainstream because it requires them to admit that they were wrong and their egos will not allow it. My favorite example of this is the biography of Ignaz Semmelweiss, (The Cry and the Covenant) whose peers had him committed to an insane asylum for discovering and trying to convince mainstream medical doctors of the germ theory of disease (versus the evil spirit origin mainstream doctors promoted at the time). Although to give some of the mainstream doctors of his day credit, some of them only protested that handwashing would reduce the incidence of disease which the doctors objected to on the grounds that it would reduce the number of patients they could bill for treating.

I believe that many mainstream "experts" today reject newfound truth on the same grounds...it will negatively impact them financially in one way or another. I've read of archaeologists driven out of business for this reason...can't recall their names though.

That's one thing I like about modern medicine. The truth is ever changing every day. Many practices I was taught at the beginning of my career are now known to be the worst kind of treatment by today's standards of care. For example, prescribing estrogen replacement at menopause is now known to be more likely to cause instead of prevent heart attacks. Look at all the lawyers jumping on the bandwagon to sue when that news was finally unable to continue being rejected by mainstream medicine. And chronic pressure sores used to be exposed to heat lamps to dry them out as the standard of practice whereas now it is "known" that they must be kept moist to heal. During civil war days, the standard practice for resucitating people from heart attacks was to inhale, then blow tobacco smoke up the patient's rectum. Understandably, not too many people wanted to get CPR certified in those days.

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I think it is important to consider that what the mainstream says about ancient history may be way off since most of them refuse to consider any new information that conflicts with mainstream "facts". It is not scientific to think that way, but that's what they do. Here is a narration from the author of a book that demonstrates that. contrary to what mainstream teaches as established fact, various cultures around the world must have been in touch with each other anciently because they couldn't have developed the same ideas and even symbols independently of each other.



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---------- Post added 06-18-2012 at 07:20 AM ----------

	Originally Posted by Autumnleaf To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Maybe the ancient world was a small world after all. What do you make of this find?

More documentation of world-wide travel in ancient days:





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	Originally Posted by davai To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I didn't know that. Which book of Plato's is that from? I've read something very similar from a different author.

You were right about the source of the quote from Plato:





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	Originally Posted by davai To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I didn't know that. Which book of Plato's is that from? I've read something very similar from a different author.

I just found more sources for the quote from Plato, so it's in more than Timaeus.

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