What's all this I read about "no emotion" and INTJs?

**shadowwalk** · 06-13-2012, 05:15 PM

I consider myself pretty empathetic and capable of emotion. So I'm surprised to see a lot of posters here talk about their lack of emotion and joke about how they're robots.

I'm not overly dramatic or emotional, but I don't think I'm a robot. Anyone other INTJs like this?

**politea** · 06-13-2012, 05:27 PM

whoever says that they just don't understand our sense of humor or don't get the joke
and showing lack of emotion to the outside world is just to hide the sensitivity inside
nobody likes to appear weak

**Grave** · 06-13-2012, 05:58 PM

Where did you read that INTJs have no emotions. Most of the times I read that INTJs show no emotions. Did you read this from another person who spoke for all INTJs without any proper study--because if so, I can assure you that person was talking from their ego.

**Minerva** · 06-13-2012, 06:02 PM

	Originally Posted by shadowwalk To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I consider myself pretty empathetic and capable of emotion. So I'm surprised to see a lot of posters here talk about their lack of emotion and joke about how they're robots. I'm not overly dramatic or emotional, but I don't think I'm a robot. Anyone other INTJs like this?

They simply haven't broken into their Fi yet. There are a plethora of young (18-21) INTJs here.

And yes, I have met INTJs who are comfortable having emotions, but they seem to be of the more mature variety.

	Originally Posted by politea To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	and showing lack of emotion to the outside world is just to hide the sensitivity inside nobody likes to appear weak

Many people make this mistake. They always seem to associate a lack of emotion with strength. There really is no correlation.

**politea** · 06-13-2012, 06:38 PM

	Originally Posted by Minerva To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Many people make this mistake. They always seem to associate a lack of emotion with strength. There really is no correlation.

I make such an effort to see into other people heads and assume they would do the same thing. So they can somehow read between the lines as I do so I would give them little hints I would certainly pick up on. But this is typical human subjective behavior. I want you to see me through my eyes which is not possible. So as I can't see your world through your eyes no matter how hard I try.

**Mind Marauder** · 06-13-2012, 06:51 PM

	Originally Posted by politea To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I make such an effort to see into other people heads and assume they would do the same thing. So they can somehow read between the lines as I do so I would give them little hints I would certainly pick up on. But this is typical human subjective behavior. I want you to see me through my eyes which is not possible. So as I can't see your world through your eyes no matter how hard I try.

That's a huge mistake I made early on: Thinking that people had the same desire to understand their own minds, and the minds of others, like I do. Simply not true. I even did the whole "I'll drop subtle hints that would be obvious to me, in hopes that you're like me" deal like you mention. What a waste of time. But perhaps people aren't supposed to see through your eyes, and you through theirs. I used to think relativity and subjectivism were incredibly damning in regards to human interaction but the thing is that it creates a lot of unique interactions and situations. If we could all understand each other we'd probably get lost in something like a hivemind.

As for emotions, they can be fun and they can be an annoyance. The key is to listen to emotion and then go from there. Some emotions aren't worth listening too much to, others are. My problem is that what gets most people all emotional barely even phases me. I want emotional masterpieces, not the hum-drum and mundane.

**wrongjargon** · 06-13-2012, 06:57 PM

I have plenty of emotions. There's just a time and place for them.

I don't find it practical to show every emotion at the very moment you feel it. Anger, for example, will just serve to estrange other people. Happiness lets them know I'm comfortable with them, and for most people I'd really rather not them think that.

**MrGates** · 06-13-2012, 07:00 PM

I have been quite blown away by some of the INTJ's in here. Incredibly open minded and systems oriented. Robotic? Bwahaha. Some of us, surely some INTJ's appear like this, but not because it is natural. Some of us want to be cast in a different light. In my findings, we are all probability functions variable in our traits. Some chose to express their emotions, some have strong emotions with the ability to hide them away through experience. Much of what makes us, us is still genetically driven through the inherited particulates in our DNA.

**Distance** · 06-13-2012, 07:02 PM

Plenty of INTJs have emotions. You can see the Fi-tertiary attacks all over this site.

**Chameleon** · 06-13-2012, 07:04 PM

Only hidden them so as not to appear weak, maintain control, and remain efficient. The emotions are temporarily swallowed until a later time when they can be analyzed in a safe environment when alone. However, this may not always be possible for an INT that may see this as an inefficient waste of time, or unnecessary. After a certain build up of these filed away emotions one may experience an emotional breakdown a couple times a year; the next morning the INT will be fine. If one is so strong willed that they swallow the breakdowns when they come, one will likely slip into a long depression; not understanding why they feel the way they do.

**politea** · 06-13-2012, 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by Chameleon
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Only hidden them so as not to appear weak, maintain control, and remain efficient. The emotions are temporarily swallowed until a later time when they can be analyzed in a safe environment when alone. However, this may not always be possible for an INT that may see this as an inefficient waste of time, or unnecessary. After a certain build up of these filed away emotions one may experience an emotional breakdown a couple times a year; the next morning the INT will be fine. If one is so strong willed that they swallow the breakdowns when they come, one will likely slip into a long depression; not understanding why they feel the way they do.

and you couldn't tell me this 3 months ago? where were you? now it's too late. I had to find out myself

**Minerva** · 06-13-2012, 07:13 PM

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	I make such an effort to see into other people heads and assume they would do the same thing.

Spoken like a true introverted subjective perceiver. See below for what I mean by that.

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INxJ / ISxJ = An Introverted Perceiver ( Ni for INTJ & INFJ, Si for ISTJ & ISFJ ) is subjective, in the sense that that type perceives the world in relation to their self interests, always seeing macro or micro patterns that are directly related to said interest, the problem of prior knowledge ofcourse rises because said " knowing " is unsupported by explicit objective body of knowledge & facts prior to the knowing itself, which is also by definition implicit, & being introverted means that said knowledge too is entirely self experience, therefore individualistic not collective.

With Extroverted Judging ( Te for INTJ & ISTJ, Fe for INFJ & ISFJ ) function which adds objectivity, the ability to rationalize using critical manner means the ability to examine, gather & support their findings, that makes them capable of not only proving their point, but also disapproving it, since that function is collective, & that collective might not be sufficient to examine said findings, they may go on to better it by developing it further, but inorder to do so, they need to first objectify their subjective experience of that knowledge to make it available for the collective.

	Originally Posted by politea To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	So they can somehow read between the lines as I do so I would give them little hints I would certainly pick up on.

By now I hope that you have realized that this isn't going to work. Don't fall into this trap.


	But this is typical human subjective behavior. I want you to see me through my eyes which is not possible. So as I can't see your world through your eyes no matter how hard I try.

Yes, but understanding and empathy is possible but both parties must be willing to meet each other half way.

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Originally Posted by Chameleon
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Only hidden them so as not to appear weak, maintain control, and remain efficient. The emotions are temporarily swallowed until a later time when they can be analyzed in a safe environment when alone. However, this may not always be possible for an INT that may see this as an inefficient waste of time, or unnecessary. After a certain build up of these filed away emotions one may experience an emotional breakdown a couple times a year; the next morning the INT will be fine. If one is so strong willed that they swallow the breakdowns when they come, one will likely slip into a long depression; not understanding why they feel the way they do.

You are correct. The "swallowing" of emotions is a terrible idea! Emotions are there because you are human. Just accept them. Feel them. Burying them and running away from them only results in a festering of negativity which eats you alive from the inside out.

A couple times a year? That is really unhealthy! Could you define "breakdown"? Are we talking full blown depression here, or just a few tears?

Again, filing away emotions and hiding from them isn't strength. It is born of fear, and fear is commonly debilitating. If you act appropriately in spite of your fear, this is one form of strength.

	Originally Posted by politea To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	and you couldn't tell me this 3 months ago? where were you? now it's too late. I had to find out myself

Breakdowns are supposed to lead to epiphanies and a change of perspective for the better. They present us with the opportunity for change and improvement, if you survive them. If you can't seem to find your way out of a depression, seek help.

**Tactical Panda** · 06-13-2012, 09:45 PM

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	Plenty of INTJs have emotions. You can see the Fi-tertiary attacks all over this site.

That seems like a misconception. Fi being employed needs not be a Fi-tertiary attack - such a view would detract from comprehension of the content upon care being detected.

Merely viewing them as Fi-tertiary attacks lose sight that emotions are a part of everyone and need not detract from life or what a person has to offer.

But such a view seems like a common failing of many immature or inexperienced 'desiring-to-be-rational' people. But I only speak from experience and perhaps from a bit of common sense.

**Distance** · 06-13-2012, 11:31 PM

Originally Posted by Tactical Panda
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That seems like a misconception. Fi being employed needs not be a Fi-tertiary attack - such a view would detract from comprehension of the content upon care being detected.

Merely viewing them as Fi-tertiary attacks lose sight that emotions are a part of everyone and need not detract from life or what a person has to offer.

But such a view seems like a common failing of many immature or inexperienced 'desiring-to-be-rational' people. But I only speak from experience and perhaps from a bit of common sense.

INTJs don't appear to show much emotion even if they're feeling it inside. When you challenge their values in some way, that's when the emotion is blatantly obvious through behaviours, hence tert Fi-attacks.

**Arnold86** · 06-14-2012, 04:43 PM

From what I have read in other sources, many INTJs develop their feeling function after they are 18 year old or even older.
INTJs normally have emotionless appearance, but they are not emotionless.
Because INTJs have Fi, they don't usually like to share their emotions and it is what makes them seem emotionless. If INTJs would have Fe, they would normally show their emotions.

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**jadefalcon** · 06-19-2012, 12:28 PM

INTJs can be seen as largely apathetic. This is a misread in some cases- Most INTJs, if not all of them, detach themselves from a problem in order to analyze from many (or all) sides. This can be seen as the "no emotions". Also, it is important to note that many INTJs of stable mind are masters of their own emotions.

**Canopus** · 06-19-2012, 12:51 PM

I certainly have emotions, always have had them.

I don't easily have emotions concerning events I am not connected with - I seem to be pretty low in empathy, personally. I can appreciate someone else is having a problem and why, but it does not generally trigger an **emotional** response inside of me. An example: some politician dies (like JFK, RFK, or the like), some people are crying and broken up about it - me, nothing. I don't know them, they are just a stranger, no connection to me, it triggers no emotional response of any kind.

I do not rely upon and do actively try to exclude emotions when I'm making decisions. When I was younger, many times my internal emotions were a bit of a mystery, seemed a bit illogical, untrustworthy, hard to understand, not always very welcome as they got in the way of accurately assessing situations and making good decisions and they would not be things I would be willing to share with anyone - hence from the outside, my emotional status would always seem neutral.

Now, I am much better with my emotions, but I still exclude them when making decisions and actively manage them to accurately assess situations, I'm still viewed as neutral from the outside. I'm still really low in empathy when I'm not connected to the event. But, I understand my emotions, I can share them with a select few, they are not as big of a mystery, they have there place and use.

**Bluestreak** · 06-19-2012, 01:15 PM

	Originally Posted by shadowwalk To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I consider myself pretty empathetic and capable of emotion. So I'm surprised to see a lot of posters here talk about their lack of emotion and joke about how they're robots. I'm not overly dramatic or emotional, but I don't think I'm a robot. Anyone other INTJs like this?

Most of us are somewhere in between, and I think the degree to which emotions are allowed or suppressed is situationally-dependent. Those who tend towards the robotic are those who simply aren't as experienced with their Fi. I've seen guys 18 - and guys at 80 - who were examples. Just depends on the person, IMO.

**everlost** · 06-19-2012, 01:24 PM

I'm actually pretty damn emotional.

**MrFlaneur** · 06-19-2012, 01:26 PM

Why did they have to kill bambi's' mam? *wimper/sniffle.*

It's a fact of life on Richmond Park.

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I sob.

**Ender** · 06-19-2012, 02:03 PM

The funny thing about emotions is that the more I know about them, and experience them, the less I actually understand them, and am able to "handle" them.

That lack of understanding is likely, in part, because my intellect tends to go out the window when emotions become particularly strong. It still functions, but I lose almost all confidence in its ability to function properly because I no longer "trust" it. It's emotional immaturity, plain and simple. I'm sure that one day I will understand it all much better but right now, the system I use does not work.

My system of thinking accounts for logic and reason. Its tendency to view emotion as a "thing" that is totally separate from my rational brain causes me great confusion when the two become inexplicably tied. The question is, how do I teach my brain to value both? I think, perhaps, that this is where emotional intelligence comes in.

**The Dan Keizer** · 06-19-2012, 02:39 PM

People think of me as sort of a robot a lot of the time. I feel like I exhibit whatever emotion I'm feeling, just not like "normal" people do.

For example, when I'm happy I might not walk around smiling and laughing like some silly fuck. But I do maybe talk to people more often, or perhaps sing a song by Whitesnake, or maybe I will order something different at a restaurant or tell a story about some happy shit.

Or when I'm sad, I don't really cry a lot or tell people that I'm feeling sad but I will of course talk less, maybe stick to my comfort zone... kind of put minimal effort into things.

This topic brings up a rant: Why is it that extroverts are supposedly the ones in tune with emotions? I find that a lot of times extroverts feel the need to broadcast their feelings vocally or they don't think other people can tell what mood they are in. Likewise, they feel like they have to fucking ask, "Are you sad?", "Did that make you mad?", "Do you like that?" etc.

How fucking hard is it to look at somebody and tell what mood they are in, and what is the fucking need to discuss it? I'm supposedly the social retard here and I can tell right away whether my boss is feeling jolly or stressed. I can tell if my mom is about to tell me some good news or bad news as soon as she opens her mouth. I can tell if my friend is depressed or happy or whatever. Just by looking.

Why can't they just shut the fuck up? Is it a retardation?

**Autumnleaf** · 06-19-2012, 03:15 PM

I'm with you Dan. I feel like extroverts are like little children playing with shiny things. They are happy and laugh. They are sad and fussy with drama. Then there I am either working around them getting things done, or trying to help them through their issues. If I don't participate in their drama then they think I don't care, which I don't much of the time. If I do, then I get blamed for something. The best I can do is try not to hurt their feewings.

**SarcasticVlad** · 06-19-2012, 03:54 PM

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	Why did they have to kill bambi's' mam? wimper/sniffle.

In words of Chandler Bing: 'Yes, it was very sad when the guy stopped drawing the deer.'

Saying that INTJ's don't have emotions is stupid. It's just that we don't show emotions.
And not showing emotions is not something that takes effort for me. It's the way I am. I don't show emotions and people have no idea what goes on in my head. And that's the way I like it. Hell, I don't even vent my real feeling on the internet like most people.
There is one annoying INFJ that sees right through me though.

**v1fan** · 06-19-2012, 06:50 PM

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I certainly have emotions, always have had them.

I don't easily have emotions concerning events I am not connected with - I seem to be pretty low in empathy, personally. I can appreciate someone else is having a problem and why, but it does not generally trigger an **emotional** response inside of me. An example: some politician dies (like JFK, RFK, or the like), some people are crying and broken up about it - me, nothing. I don't know them, they are just a stranger, no connection to me, it triggers no emotional response of any kind.

I do not rely upon and do actively try to exclude emotions when I'm making decisions. When I was younger, many times my internal emotions were a bit of a mystery, seemed a bit illogical, untrustworthy, hard to understand, not always very welcome as they got in the way of accurately assessing situations and making good decisions and they would not be things I would be willing to share with anyone - hence from the outside, my emotional status would always seem neutral.

Now, I am much better with my emotions, but I still exclude them when making decisions and actively manage them to accurately assess situations, I'm still viewed as neutral from the outside. I'm still really low in empathy when I'm not connected to the event. But, I understand my emotions, I can share them with a select few, they are not as big of a mystery, they have there place and use.

In my journey through this trail of tears I've made more mistakes by ignoring that little voice so easily suppressed...

06-13-2012, 05:15 PM	#1
shadowwalk New Member [01%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 5	I consider myself pretty empathetic and capable of emotion. So I'm surprised to see a lot of posters here talk about their lack of emotion and joke about how they're robots. I'm not overly dramatic or emotional, but I don't think I'm a robot. Anyone other INTJs like this?
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06-13-2012, 05:27 PM	#2
politea New Member [01%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 78	whoever says that they just don't understand our sense of humor or don't get the joke and showing lack of emotion to the outside world is just to hide the sensitivity inside nobody likes to appear weak
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06-13-2012, 05:58 PM	#3
Grave Member [08%] MBTI: INFJ Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 325	Where did you read that INTJs have no emotions. Most of the times I read that INTJs show no emotions. Did you read this from another person who spoke for all INTJs without any proper study--because if so, I can assure you that person was talking from their ego.
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06-13-2012, 06:57 PM	#7
wrongjargon Member [12%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 502	I have plenty of emotions. There's just a time and place for them. I don't find it practical to show every emotion at the very moment you feel it. Anger, for example, will just serve to estrange other people. Happiness lets them know I'm comfortable with them, and for most people I'd really rather not them think that.
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06-13-2012, 07:00 PM	#8
MrGates New Member [01%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 15	I have been quite blown away by some of the INTJ's in here. Incredibly open minded and systems oriented. Robotic? Bwahaha. Some of us, surely some INTJ's appear like this, but not because it is natural. Some of us want to be cast in a different light. In my findings, we are all probability functions variable in our traits. Some chose to express their emotions, some have strong emotions with the ability to hide them away through experience. Much of what makes us, us is still genetically driven through the inherited particulates in our DNA.
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06-13-2012, 07:02 PM	#9
Distance Core Member [418%] MBTI: eNTj Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 16,735	Plenty of INTJs have emotions. You can see the Fi-tertiary attacks all over this site.
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Chameleon Veteran Member [99%] MBTI: INTP Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 3,974	Only hidden them so as not to appear weak, maintain control, and remain efficient. The emotions are temporarily swallowed until a later time when they can be analyzed in a safe environment when alone. However, this may not always be possible for an INT that may see this as an inefficient waste of time, or unnecessary. After a certain build up of these filed away emotions one may experience an emotional breakdown a couple times a year; the next morning the INT will be fine. If one is so strong willed that they swallow the breakdowns when they come, one will likely slip into a long depression; not understanding why they feel the way they do.
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06-14-2012, 04:43 PM	#15
Arnold86 Member [04%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 176	From what I have read in other sources, many INTJs develop their feeling function after they are 18 year old or even older. INTJs normally have emotionless appearance, but they are not emotionless. Because INTJs have Fi, they don't usually like to share their emotions and it is what makes them seem emotionless. If INTJs would have Fe, they would normally show their emotions. To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
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jadefalcon Member [12%] MBTI: InTJ Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 500	INTJs can be seen as largely apathetic. This is a misread in some cases- Most INTJs, if not all of them, detach themselves from a problem in order to analyze from many (or all) sides. This can be seen as the "no emotions". Also, it is important to note that many INTJs of stable mind are masters of their own emotions.
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06-19-2012, 12:51 PM	#17
Canopus Member [03%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 158	I certainly have emotions, always have had them. I don't easily have emotions concerning events I am not connected with - I seem to be pretty low in empathy, personally. I can appreciate someone else is having a problem and why, but it does not generally trigger an emotional response inside of me. An example: some politician dies (like JFK, RFK, or the like), some people are crying and broken up about it - me, nothing. I don't know them, they are just a stranger, no connection to me, it triggers no emotional response of any kind. I do not rely upon and do actively try to exclude emotions when I'm making decisions. When I was younger, many times my internal emotions were a bit of a mystery, seemed a bit illogical, untrustworthy, hard to understand, not always very welcome as they got in the way of accurately assessing situations and making good decisions and they would not be things I would be willing to share with anyone - hence from the outside, my emotional status would always seem neutral. Now, I am much better with my emotions, but I still exclude them when making decisions and actively manage them to accurately assess situations, I'm still viewed as neutral from the outside. I'm still really low in empathy when I'm not connected to the event. But, I understand my emotions, I can share them with a select few, they are not as big of a mystery, they have there place and use.
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06-19-2012, 01:24 PM	#19
everlost Member [06%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 264	I'm actually pretty damn emotional.
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MrFlaneur Veteran Member [56%] MBTI: INTj Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 2,246	Why did they have to kill bambi's' mam? wimper/sniffle. It's a fact of life on Richmond Park. To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. I sob.
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06-19-2012, 02:03 PM	#21
Ender Veteran Member [74%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 2,983	The funny thing about emotions is that the more I know about them, and experience them, the less I actually understand them, and am able to "handle" them. That lack of understanding is likely, in part, because my intellect tends to go out the window when emotions become particularly strong. It still functions, but I lose almost all confidence in its ability to function properly because I no longer "trust" it. It's emotional immaturity, plain and simple. I'm sure that one day I will understand it all much better but right now, the system I use does not work. My system of thinking accounts for logic and reason. Its tendency to view emotion as a "thing" that is totally separate from my rational brain causes me great confusion when the two become inexplicably tied. The question is, how do I teach my brain to value both? I think, perhaps, that this is where emotional intelligence comes in.
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06-19-2012, 02:39 PM	#22
The Dan Keizer Core Member [115%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 4,613	People think of me as sort of a robot a lot of the time. I feel like I exhibit whatever emotion I'm feeling, just not like "normal" people do. For example, when I'm happy I might not walk around smiling and laughing like some silly fuck. But I do maybe talk to people more often, or perhaps sing a song by Whitesnake, or maybe I will order something different at a restaurant or tell a story about some happy shit. Or when I'm sad, I don't really cry a lot or tell people that I'm feeling sad but I will of course talk less, maybe stick to my comfort zone... kind of put minimal effort into things. This topic brings up a rant: Why is it that extroverts are supposedly the ones in tune with emotions? I find that a lot of times extroverts feel the need to broadcast their feelings vocally or they don't think other people can tell what mood they are in. Likewise, they feel like they have to fucking ask, "Are you sad?", "Did that make you mad?", "Do you like that?" etc. How fucking hard is it to look at somebody and tell what mood they are in, and what is the fucking need to discuss it? I'm supposedly the social retard here and I can tell right away whether my boss is feeling jolly or stressed. I can tell if my mom is about to tell me some good news or bad news as soon as she opens her mouth. I can tell if my friend is depressed or happy or whatever. Just by looking. Why can't they just shut the fuck up? Is it a retardation?
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06-19-2012, 03:15 PM	#23
Autumnleaf Core Member [235%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 9,404	I'm with you Dan. I feel like extroverts are like little children playing with shiny things. They are happy and laugh. They are sad and fussy with drama. Then there I am either working around them getting things done, or trying to help them through their issues. If I don't participate in their drama then they think I don't care, which I don't much of the time. If I do, then I get blamed for something. The best I can do is try not to hurt their feewings.
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