[sunitaishot]

	Originally Posted by wolfyx To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
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Because an obsession with violence is not mentally healthy.

[curiousgeorge01]

Originally Posted by Typhon To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Hah! I guess I can't actually argue with that too much. It's funny from a historical perspective too. Westerners back in the day, like in Victorian England, thought it was a gentleman's duty to punish ruffians when the challenge presented itself and it was thought to be a manly, virtuous thing. Even before that in Renaissance times, we have accounts of public fencing festivals where participants are wounded in some vicious ways but it's okay because violence was awesome back then. Boy, how times change.

Yea I don't have a way of proving it but I think sometimes a lack of fighting might be contributing to moray decay in America. I remember reading an article and Jack Lalanne was being interviewed and he said something along the lines of "I remember back in the day when men had disagreements and we would just take it out back and duke it out and then walk away. Now you have lawsuits and people ganging up on each other and killing each other and it's unheard of, it's crazy."

It got me to thinking maybe there was some sort of unstated honor code where there was a winner and a loser but there wasn't any reading too much into it like entitlement and killing the winner.

How that relates to today's society is you notice how executives pay themselves so much nowadays? I feel like that's the decline of the morality of accepting loss and being humble about it. Instead it's like being weasly and doing whatever it takes to win even if it costs everyone else. So in some odd way, the men willing to duke it out may have more honor than those who aren't willing to provided of course that they make it a fair fight.

Whether the moral decay was the cause of the weasliness/non fighting or non fighting/weasliness causing the moral decay, I'm not sure.

[SwedenF]

	Originally Posted by curiousgeorge01 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	So then there is a small part of you that can understand the violence?

No. There's a difference between wishing someone would experience what they make others experience, and actively hurting them or supporting it. I do understand the wish for someone to get "what they deserve", but I don't understand enjoying taking it into your own hands or actively causing it. I don't get how one goes from "That dude is an ass" to "I'm going to punch him".

I don't want to see Breivik being tortured or actively being inflicted pain. I just wish the universe would somehow make him feel the pain he caused others. For example by bringing him back from his deluded world to this one, so that he has to deal with the guilt of having done what he did. So essentially, non-violent.

[curiousgeorge01]

Originally Posted by SwedenF To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

No. There's a difference between wishing someone would experience what they make others experience, and actively hurting them or supporting it. I do understand the wish for someone to get "what they deserve", but I don't understand enjoying taking it into your own hands or actively causing it. I don't get how one goes from "That dude is an ass" to "I'm going to punch him". I don't want to see Breivik being tortured or actively being inflicted pain. I just wish the universe would somehow make him feel the pain he caused others. For example by bringing him back from his deluded world to this one, so that he has to deal with the guilt of having done what he did. So essentially, non-violent.

Ok but implicitly you are wanting the person to experience pain whether it's dealt out of your hands or not? Which if you think about it, punishment has to come out of someone's hands for them to experience pain. Unless you're speaking in a higher sense like karma.

[spect]

	Originally Posted by wolfyx To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	My instinct tells me to go after them to provoke them and to let them make the first move. This will give me the moral legitimacy to break them...Your thoughts?

my thoughts are, you rationalize the behavior, and seek out opportunities to violently exercise whats socially inappropriate behavior. and seeking doesnt mean being consciously aware of violent tendencies and motivations, especially if they are emotionally rooted, it means adapting to them with rationality so you can somehow mitigate consequences.

[The Dan Keizer]

I guess I could say I came from a similar background in that regard.

Growing up, I had an older brother who was in most ways much the opposite as me. He was always talking, I was quiet. I could spend a day reading, playing video games or working on some project on my own, he could never sit still.

If he was bored, my brother would entertain himself by teasing me or basically bullying me until I would get mad enough to finally get into a fistfight with him. When explaining our relationship to people, I like to tell people to imagine maybe a classmate or somebody they were forced to be around that was their worst enemy and imagine that person living with them and sharing a bedroom. I can not remember one outing from early childhood into our teenage years where my brother and I did not have some sort of altercation.

Anyways, that relationship basically molded me into from somebody that would probably have gone a lifetime without engaging in any violence to somebody that, while not particularly aggressive, was ready to drop at any point.

In high school, where other kids probably looked at me as something of a quiet nerd, certain kids thought I was an easy target for teasing and whatnot. This would usually end up in me blowing somebody's mouth out if their behavior persisted.

Later on in the years following school I would occasionally box, in a very amateur scenario. I enjoyed boxing but I never pursued it seriously as I did not have the desire to hurt people as a lot of the other guys boxing did. I would simply go the three rounds and outbox a person if I could. I made no efforts to inflict any more injury than I had to.

I guess my point is, I felt like I was forced to fight at many points in my life. But I never sought out physical confllict really, even with people I disliked.

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	Originally Posted by curiousgeorge01 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Ok but implicitly you are wanting the person to experience pain whether it's dealt out of your hands or not? Which if you think about it, punishment has to come out of someone's hands for them to experience pain. Unless you're speaking in a higher sense like karma.

I don't think it benefits any person for somebody else to experience pain. Nobody deserves pain.

That said, I wouldn't say I believe in karma but I definitely feel like everybody in life gets exactly what they have coming to them in life. Whoever has wronged you, the universe will square the debt without you lifting a finger.

---------- Post added 06-12-2012 at 11:49 PM ----------

LOL, One more thing.

The title of this thread was the reason I posted, then I forgot about it in my rambling.

All of my life I have pretty much felt like I was half asleep. Drinking coffee, physical work or exercise, none of this seems to completely wake me up. But yes, the fistfights I have gotten into in my life did make me feel like I was completely awake. And usually when I had that feeling I wanted it to stop, LOL.

[deconspire]

Originally Posted by deconspire To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Agreed. I'm very well trained and I won't hesitate to unload on someone if I feel threatened. I've also grown up in violent areas so pushing back was the only option in many cases. I don't think violence is the best course of action in a run-of-the-mill situation (as mentioned, you never know who's carrying or who has friends), but in the infrequent times it happens, I enjoy it immensely. It's not the adrenaline rush, either. As the OP alluded to, I enjoy inflicting pain on those who would cause pain. Very satisfying.

	Originally Posted by sunitaishot To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Who are you to regulate others?

Please reread, paying close attention to the phrases in bold, and explain to me exactly how I'm regulating others. You could say I'm mentally unwhatever for enjoying it, but I don't think I've given the impression that I'm some sort of bully or vigilante.

[Moxiie]

I've never gotten in a physical altercation in my life...but have to admit that I also wouldn't piss on certain individuals if they were on fire (child/animal/women abusers come first to mind) and if I saw someone beating the hell out of someone known to do these types of monstrous things to others, I would take a certain satisfaction in that.

[teraczy]

It generally makes me feel more dead.

	Originally Posted by deconspire To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Please reread, paying close attention to the phrases in bold, and explain to me exactly how I'm regulating others. You could say I'm mentally unwhatever for enjoying it, but I don't think I've given the impression that I'm some sort of bully or vigilante.

inadvertent vigilante?
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[anticlimatic]

Gotta do something about that self-loathing, Wolf...keep tearing yourself apart like that and you'll find yourself mired in psychosis before you know it.

[wolfyx]

Everybody is a little crazy including you
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[eagleseven]

	Originally Posted by wolfyx To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Everybody is a little crazy including you To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Yeah, but you're engaging in behavior that's obviously self-destructive. I say this as someone who's gouged eyes out...stop while you're ahead.

[wolfyx]

	Originally Posted by eagleseven To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Yeah, but you're engaging in behavior that's obviously self-destructive. I say this as someone who's gouged eyes out...stop while you're ahead.

It’s self-destructive only if I fail at risk management…

[TheWanderer]

Take up MMA or something.

I have to admit the adrenaline does get you going, but ultimately its a destructive act.

[IotaNull]

Nope. The one time I've done it on purpose, I felt quite dirty afterwards.

[anticlimatic]

I've only been in one fight, and it was less a fight, and more of a much older guy (I was a freshman in high school) rather impolitely handing me my scrawny ass. Tried to take the high road and walk away during the oral-stage, and got punched in the back. Then the stomach. Then a few kicks to the ribs after hitting the ground.

If I had to do it all over again, I wouldn't change a thing. What we hate in others, we really just hate in ourselves-- and when we harm others, it's our own souls that take the self-administered beating. The world is going to kick your body's ass one way or the other, and maybe there's a thrill in that, but it's just not worth it to hurt someone else. Even someone you might think you hate. Regret dies hard, real hard.

[JTG]

	Originally Posted by sunitaishot To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Violent people are mentally unhealthy, I don't see what else needs to be said.

Is that the beliefs of scientists or actual fact?

[IotaNull]

	Originally Posted by JTG To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Is that the beliefs of psychiatrists or actual fact?

FTFY.

[spect]

	Originally Posted by wolfyx To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	It’s self-destructive only if I fail at risk management…

strange risk management, where the risk is also externalized on others as a channel for your agressions

[sunitaishot]

	Originally Posted by JTG To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Is that the beliefs of scientists or actual fact?

It's fact. Excessive violence can denote both mental and/or neurological problems. Either sociopathy, brain tumour, PTSD, depression, anger management problems, etc.

it also doesn't lend to social living and existence. Part of being a mentally balanced and healthy individual is interaction in wider society.

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Originally Posted by anticlimatic To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I've only been in one fight, and it was less a fight, and more of a much older guy (I was a freshman in high school) rather impolitely handing me my scrawny ass. Tried to take the high road and walk away during the oral-stage, and got punched in the back. Then the stomach. Then a few kicks to the ribs after hitting the ground. If I had to do it all over again, I wouldn't change a thing. What we hate in others, we really just hate in ourselves-- and when we harm others, it's our own souls that take the self-administered beating. The world is going to kick your body's ass one way or the other, and maybe there's a thrill in that, but it's just not worth it to hurt someone else. Even someone you might think you hate. Regret dies hard, real hard.

OK, so if a white person hates black people, he really is black?

Labelling hatred as wrong, when it's a human emotion with sound evolutionary backing, is a product of modern PC thinking.

---------- Post added 06-13-2012 at 09:35 AM ----------

Originally Posted by wolfyx To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

By that comment I meant that I am almost never the one acting ostentatious. I’m usually the guy in the back observing the “alpha male” making a spectacle of himself. If he goes over my acceptable limit I might step in and tell him to stop. He being the “alpha male” usually means he will take the comment very badly from a quiet “beta” like me that he hasn’t seen coming. He might not even consider me a threat so he will be the one starting a fight, which I happen not to be a newb at and I have a reasonable chance of kicking his ass. Of course there are “alpha males” that you cannot go after without risking your life. They might have their pack behind them or something. But it does feel good if you can get one and humiliate him in front of everybody. But as Alberto said you should be very careful choosing your fights and every one of this “adrenaline rushes” involves a big risk…

Are these people you know? If not, why are they obligated to heed your words?

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	Originally Posted by deconspire To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Please reread, paying close attention to the phrases in bold, and explain to me exactly how I'm regulating others. You could say I'm mentally unwhatever for enjoying it, but I don't think I've given the impression that I'm some sort of bully or vigilante.

By stepping in when somebody is being harassed is regulating behaviour. How can it not be?

I don't see why bullying is wrong. Very seldom would I stop and intervene in public altercations, though it depends on who it is. If it is a child/teen, then no I'd walk past.

[deconspire]

	Originally Posted by politea To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	When I read things like this I wonder how would the world look like if women were running this world? Men always compete who can pee further. It reminds me of male alpha chimp and the ones who want his job.

Competitive behavior is not limited to men. Nor is violent behavior.

	Originally Posted by sunitaishot To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	By stepping in when somebody is being harassed is regulating behavior. How can it not be?

Oh, I agree. Although this can be a positive action depending on the level of harassment.

However, again, I said I take action when I feel threatened. I'm failing to see how this morphs into "stepping in when someone else is harassed" since I never commented on that.

[politea]

To me, the winner of a conflict is the one who wins by brain strenght( reasoning, persuasion, preventing a conflict) not by body strenght. In a fight like you've discribed I see 2 losers.

[sunitaishot]

	Originally Posted by politea To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	To me, the winner of a conflict is the one who wins by brain strenght( reasoning, persuasion, preventing a conflict) not by body strenght. In a fight like you've discribed I see 2 losers.

true. If in the event of physical conflicts, i often start with insults. it's a weak person who lets insults rile them up.

[hi5yourface]

There have been few instances where I've been threatened with physical violence and I'll only highlight the same sex occurences since the fight would be considered more fair in that scenario.

The one time a woman attempted to make me do something I didn't want to do, she grabbed my head and tried to force it where I didn't want it to go, so I head butted her and nearly broke her nose.....she started this by telling me I was going to do something I knew I wasn't going to do and then she got my answer when she touched me, end of story.

Another time a girl threatened me with violence (her man being the reason) I killed her with kindness. Wouldn't respond to her tirades, walked away from her, it boiled over.

Last time was in a bar and a woman approached me and accused me of looking at her man (see the pattern, men involved) since I didn't know what she was talking about I just watched her. I removed my earrings and waited for her to make her move, she stumbled herself back down in her chair, no swings involved.

If in a violent scenario I would say that I become more aware, aware of my surroundings and that person....I gauge them as well as I can and actually by not responding, verbally at least to tirades if violence occurs I generally know I did not instigate it, at the very least.

	Originally Posted by sunitaishot To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	true. If in the event of physical conflicts, i often start with insults. it's a weak person who lets insults rile them up.

The intent of an insult is to rile.....the weakness is the insult in the first place, to dole it out is to beg for the persons fist.

[deconspire]

	Originally Posted by hi5yourface To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	The intent of an insult is to rile.....the weakness is the insult in the first place, to dole it out is to beg for the persons fist.

I was just gonna respond with something along these lines. Provoking is provoking, whether it's with a fist or with "clever words". It just seems like repressed anger to insult someone rather than walk away. If non-violent action is your method, than verbal confrontation is on the same level as physical confrontation.