What is "Normal" and "Perfection"?

**JungianShadow** · 06-02-2012, 11:21 PM

What is really normal? Is it real or just something we use against people who are different than us? Is it nothing but perception?

Well, I say that the term, "normal", is one's own perception of the world and themselves. In that people always strive for perfection, when they should be themselves and accept their flaws. For when they accept they are themselves, they accept that they are perfect. Thus there is no real such thing as "perfection", when it is merely a perception.

Thus in quote, "Perfection is Perception."

**elakhael** · 06-02-2012, 11:54 PM

Not an expert, just in my humble opinion, I see "Normal" as a collective concept, more than a personal perception itself. Of course, perception and subjectivity might affect the "normal" idea as one goes into the process of life. When you find you have a identity problem, some people breaks the details of the "normal" concept that interferes with being oneself. Perfection is more like the infinite; another concept from collective origins, but even less tangible, so, more vulnerable to personal perceptions.

**zibber** · 06-03-2012, 12:22 AM

"Normal" is close enough to the statistical average (and virtually meaningless); "perfection" is a Platonic fiction.

**Sk8ordude** · 06-03-2012, 07:02 AM

Normal is mediocrity, perfection is in the eye of the beholder. Some people value normal, I however dont identify with it and thus find it undesirable.

**Alberto** · 06-03-2012, 07:21 AM

I don't know what normalcy is, the closest I have come to experience has always been behavioural and never conceptual.

I agree with your brilliant definition of perfection, only that at times to accept yourself may take a lifetime, and to become what you are may never happen.

Indeed, I have been struggling with this my whole life: I cannot believe I must become that (that is: I think I am deluding myself in just even assuming there is something out there that may be my/our "fate" - maybe I am much lesser than such, maybe I have no fate, or deserve no fate), and even if I should, I don't believe I could.
There, over there? You kidding! That must be my imagination.

I waste time, I loiter, and I doubt as my "perfection" keeps calling me. I particularly specialized in wasting time. Actually, not really wasting - say I like building on shaky foundations rather than on rocks, because if what I build manages to stay on those, it will stay everywhere... as you can imagine this does not make things speedy because I am the one who intentionally trials and jeopardizes whatever he solidifies (I often had an eerie sensation this is the hidden meaning of the... Golgotha - for, that is: Chirst did not want to recoil from it).

That's one of the paths (mine) by which, I guess, popular wisdom deduced that perfection cannot be attained.

**sunitaishot** · 06-12-2012, 04:21 PM

Normalcy cannot exist. Perfection is also undefinable. In any given phenomenon, what defines a flaw or a virtue?

**Dru** · 06-12-2012, 04:57 PM

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	"Normal" is close enough to the statistical average (and virtually meaningless); "perfection" is a Platonic fiction.*

*and absolutely meaningless.

**PlatoHagel** · 06-13-2012, 08:54 AM


	BEHOLDING beauty with the eye of the mind, he will be enabled to bring forth, not images of beauty, but realities, for he has hold not of an image but of a reality, and bringing forth and nourishing true virtue to become the friend of God and be immortal, if mortal man may. Would that be an ignoble life? PLATO

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They are others who have dealt with this from their own perspectives. It might help expand the very questions about perfect and perception?


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**Polymath20** · 06-13-2012, 08:56 AM

"Normal" and "perfection" are words to which some people ascribe social significance.

**StripeDog** · 06-19-2012, 02:24 PM

Believe it or not, there is actual terminology regarding normality and obscenity in sociology. Of course, this does not change the stipulations of what is known as "normal".

As for me, I don't ever use the words anymore. I learned that the way people view a thing is always relative, and is really pointless to try and subject it.

06-02-2012, 11:21 PM	#1
JungianShadow New Member [01%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 28	What is really normal? Is it real or just something we use against people who are different than us? Is it nothing but perception? Well, I say that the term, "normal", is one's own perception of the world and themselves. In that people always strive for perfection, when they should be themselves and accept their flaws. For when they accept they are themselves, they accept that they are perfect. Thus there is no real such thing as "perfection", when it is merely a perception. Thus in quote, "Perfection is Perception."
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06-02-2012, 11:54 PM	#2
elakhael New Member [01%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 48	Not an expert, just in my humble opinion, I see "Normal" as a collective concept, more than a personal perception itself. Of course, perception and subjectivity might affect the "normal" idea as one goes into the process of life. When you find you have a identity problem, some people breaks the details of the "normal" concept that interferes with being oneself. Perfection is more like the infinite; another concept from collective origins, but even less tangible, so, more vulnerable to personal perceptions.
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06-03-2012, 12:22 AM	#3
zibber Core Member [407%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 16,291	"Normal" is close enough to the statistical average (and virtually meaningless); "perfection" is a Platonic fiction.
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06-03-2012, 07:02 AM	#4
Sk8ordude Veteran Member [59%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,385	Normal is mediocrity, perfection is in the eye of the beholder. Some people value normal, I however dont identify with it and thus find it undesirable.
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06-03-2012, 07:21 AM	#5
Alberto Member [11%] MBTI: intj Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 468	I don't know what normalcy is, the closest I have come to experience has always been behavioural and never conceptual. I agree with your brilliant definition of perfection, only that at times to accept yourself may take a lifetime, and to become what you are may never happen. Indeed, I have been struggling with this my whole life: I cannot believe I must become that (that is: I think I am deluding myself in just even assuming there is something out there that may be my/our "fate" - maybe I am much lesser than such, maybe I have no fate, or deserve no fate), and even if I should, I don't believe I could. There, over there? You kidding! That must be my imagination. I waste time, I loiter, and I doubt as my "perfection" keeps calling me. I particularly specialized in wasting time. Actually, not really wasting - say I like building on shaky foundations rather than on rocks, because if what I build manages to stay on those, it will stay everywhere... as you can imagine this does not make things speedy because I am the one who intentionally trials and jeopardizes whatever he solidifies (I often had an eerie sensation this is the hidden meaning of the... Golgotha - for, that is: Chirst did not want to recoil from it). That's one of the paths (mine) by which, I guess, popular wisdom deduced that perfection cannot be attained.
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06-12-2012, 04:21 PM	#6
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06-13-2012, 08:56 AM	#9
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06-19-2012, 02:24 PM	#10
StripeDog New Member [01%] MBTI: xxxx Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 41	Believe it or not, there is actual terminology regarding normality and obscenity in sociology. Of course, this does not change the stipulations of what is known as "normal". As for me, I don't ever use the words anymore. I learned that the way people view a thing is always relative, and is really pointless to try and subject it.
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