[Deliberator]

When I first encountered male genitals I thought it was the weirdest assortment of items, especially to have dangling on the outside of one's body.

[Distance]

Over-generalisations in situations that require specifics.

[Dancingqueen]

	Originally Posted by Deliberator To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	When I first encountered male genitals I thought it was the weirdest assortment of items, especially to have dangling on the outside of one's body.

Seconded. They still look strange to me.

[AnnaMolly]

	Originally Posted by Distance To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	That's not an indication of testosterone.

I perceived it as a typical attempt at display of masculinity and dominance: "You're not masculine. You're not a real man. So you might as well be a woman. I however am masculine, and a real man." I perceive that as a testosterone-driven reaction, but I might be wrong here.

	Originally Posted by Monte314 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	But childbirth? Pffft! It only hurts if you do it yourself; that's women's work.

I assum that's irony ... please tell me that it is.
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Originally Posted by AlfredSchnittke To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

S/He said he identifies as a female-designated person, but we know that whoever zibber is, currently has male genitalia. I was just curious whether the person wanted to transition or not. If not, it's interesting, because what is the dividing line between those that do want to transition, and those that don't?... What does it even mean to say one is "female-identified" then? Just that you adhere to the opposite stereotypes of what is expected of you if you have a penis?

You can like "typically feminine things" and behave "typically feminine", while still being perfectly fine identifying as a man. Same way around if you swap the genders. How many "typical" things you like does not in any way correlate with how much of a "real" man or woman you are. I could play soccer, drink beer and get in barfights every day and still be perfectly happy with my vajayjay and with being a "she".

	Originally Posted by Dancingqueen To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Seconded. They still look strange to me.

That they do. I guess that could be a genuine contribution of mine to this thread:

I do sometimes wonder how men handle their genitalia in everyday life. I imagine it must be pretty impractical to have them so ... exposed, and dangling around, and then wearing pants, ugh.

[zibber]

	Originally Posted by AnnaMolly To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I perceived it as a typical attempt at display of masculinity and dominance: "You're not masculine. You're not a real man. So you might as well be a woman. I however am masculine, and a real man." I perceive that as a testosterone-driven reaction, but I might be wrong here.

Funny - that's how I saw it too.

When my female-identified friend tells me I'm the coolest lesbian she knows, though, that is completely inoffensive. Funny.

[Mind Marauder]

	Originally Posted by AnnaMolly To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I do sometimes wonder how men handle their genitalia in everyday life. I imagine it must be pretty impractical to have them so ... exposed, and dangling around, and then wearing pants, ugh.

Carefully, oh so carefully. However, it's not that impractical or troublesome when you've lived with it your entire life. Furthermore, the biological practicality of having external genitalia is immense for males. As for pants, one leg goes in then another and that's about it. The scary thing is if/when you decide to go commando/freeballin' because then a zipper turns into a gateway to pain and damnation.

[themuzicman]

	Originally Posted by Tactical Panda To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Without antagonizing each other, what is the strangest thing about the opposte sex that you have found / react to? Was it goofy or did it seem really other or was it something else entirely? What age did you encounter it?

With many women, I find that everything is a "test" to see how I feel about them or about our relationship.

[LadySpock]

Very strange: men think that their emotions qualify as "logic."

It's cute & funny...

[SwedenF]

	Originally Posted by LadySpock To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Very strange: men think that their emotions qualify as "logic." It's cute & funny...

Ah yes. It's adorable.

[AlfredSchnittke]

	Originally Posted by zibber To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Funny - that's how I saw it too. When my female-identified friend tells me I'm the coolest lesbian she knows, though, that is completely inoffensive. Funny.

Wow. Just wow.

I have never encountered people so quick to JUDGE based on NOTHING.

It's like you are just WAITING to be offended by anything.

What's with you people??

[Mind Marauder]

	Originally Posted by LadySpock To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Very strange: men think that their emotions qualify as "logic." It's cute & funny...

That's not really just a men type of thing. How many women try to justify something, using pseudo logic, based on how it made them feel? It's more of a human fault. Unless women do not possess emotions, an idea which, I think, the evidence completely shatters.

[AlfredSchnittke]

	Originally Posted by Deliberator To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	When I first encountered male genitals I thought it was the weirdest assortment of items, especially to have dangling on the outside of one's body.

How come women hate men's genitals, while men love women's (as major trends)?

It sucks living on the opposite side of it.

I have always had fantasies (especially after actually doing it, but even before) of just having my fingers caressing, or my tongue buried in female genitals. I just look at pictures of them sometimes for fun. I've done it since I was little.

It sucks knowing that all of my partners don't ever think like that about my genitals, but rather just feel some vague sense of disgust towards them as a general rule, but put up with them because they happen to "like" me.

I wish there was a good explanation for this...is it somehow evolutionarily beneficial for women to dislike men?...

[thecase]

	Originally Posted by AlfredSchnittke To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	How come women hate men's genitals, while men love women's (as major trends)?

This is not true sentiment for all women. Actually I didn't even know it to be a norm or a stereotype. I love everything about my boyfriend's naked body, seriously. Now a random person, that does gross me out a bit!

[AlfredSchnittke]

	Originally Posted by zibber To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	No. Do you? Why use "creepy", "offensive" and "pathetic"?

Seems like that is what you were implying about them.

Because you were so wildly offended by someone simply asking if you ever considered transitioning due to your feeling that you are a female-designated person in a male-type body.

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	Originally Posted by thecase To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	This is not true sentiment for all women. Actually I didn't even know it to be a norm or a stereotype. I love everything about my boyfriend's naked body, seriously. Now a random person, that does gross me out a bit!

I don't get the "random" person comment really...if you randomly saw Johnny Depp walking down the street naked would you be grossed out? Why so?


Anyway, it (thankfully) isn't true of all women, but just most it seems like. It always comes up in threads like these on forums, and in social conversations. I've always found it incredibly disheartening.

[Deliberator]

	Originally Posted by AlfredSchnittke To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	How come women hate men's genitals, while men love women's (as major trends)?

Woah woah woah, who said anything about hating men's genitals? I'd wager a man with no genitals wouldn't be much of a turn-on to most heterosexual women.

I think the real distinction there is that women aren't turned on by the mere sight of genitals, which is related to us being much less visually focused when it comes to sex.

Personally I think lady bits are weird-looking too, there's just not as much that is clearly visible on the outside of the body.

[SwedenF]

	Originally Posted by AlfredSchnittke To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	How come women hate men's genitals, while men love women's (as major trends)?

For me, it's the exact opposite. If I'm attracted to a man, his genitals are quite appealing (stems from demisexuality). My ex's were incredibly sexy. Female genitalia however.... yuck. If it weren't for that, I'd probably be truly bisexual, but fact is, I'd never engage in lesbian sex purely because of that (and thus not get into a relationship even if I like the female, as I think sex is important).

	Originally Posted by AlfredSchnittke To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I don't get the "random" person comment really...if you randomly saw Johnny Depp walking down the street naked would you be grossed out? Why so?

I am so very amused that you happened to choose Johnny Depp. He happens to be the only exception to my rule of feelings before attraction. He is seeeexy. I'm sure I'd quite enjoy seeing him naked on the street, but nobody else really xD Though preferably styled as one of his roles, he tends to be fugly when he is styling himself.

However, for me the whole not being naked in public is a matter of respect. Nobody should be forced to see people naked against their will when being in public, as it's not a particularily pleasant experience for many. Anyone who was at the Pride parade in Stockholm 2011 will get what I mean (270ish lb lady with saggy everything walking butt naked).

[AlfredSchnittke]

	Originally Posted by Deliberator To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I think the real distinction there is that women aren't turned on by the mere sight of genitals, which is related to us being much less visually focused when it comes to sex.

You have to wonder then, what would it be about them that turns them on?...

The feel? The smell?


I do not get how women are taken as less visual exactly. Or is fashion the one area that is a major exception? It seems to me like women are wildly visually attracted to clothing, and shoes...(not all of course, but by and large).

I've never heard women going around saying, "oh, did you FEEL those shoes! To die for!"

But often hear them saying, "did you SEE those shoes! To die for!" (I say the same things though!)

Maybe I'm missing something but this idea that women are not visually stimulated seems to directly contradict everything I have seen in the fashion world...

Or, how does one explain this glaring exception?

Even more strangely, men seem, on average, not to care that much about fashion appearances, but much more about comfort, the feel of garments. Even the guys I know that are into high-end fashion won't buy expensive clothing unless it is well-made. A lot of high-end stuff is shoddily produced, and many guys I know wouldn't buy a Hugo Boss jacket even if they liked the appearance if the material and craftsmanship wasn't up to par, which as little to do with the visual appearance.

Why this apparent role-reversal in fashion?...

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Originally Posted by SwedenF To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

For me, it's the exact opposite. If I'm attracted to a man, his genitals are quite appealing (stems from demisexuality). My ex's were incredibly sexy. Female genitalia however.... yuck. If it weren't for that, I'd probably be truly bisexual, but fact is, I'd never engage in lesbian sex purely because of that (and thus not get into a relationship even if I like the female, as I think sex is important). I am so very amused that you happened to choose Johnny Depp. He happens to be the only exception to my rule of feelings before attraction. He is seeeexy. I'm sure I'd quite enjoy seeing him naked on the street, but nobody else really xD Though preferably styled as one of his roles, he tends to be fugly when he is styling himself. However, for me the whole not being naked in public is a matter of respect. Nobody should be forced to see people naked against their will when being in public, as it's not a particularily pleasant experience for many. Anyone who was at the Pride parade in Stockholm 2011 will get what I mean (270ish lb lady with saggy everything walking butt naked).

I'm always fascinated by that opposing view, as I know it exists...maybe you've just not spent enough time looking at pretty vaginas?

What's gross about them? Not saying you have to like them, but I am just curious what you dislike about them.

To me, public nudity should be cool. It seems like swearing to me. Being offended is pretty much your choice it seems like. Freedom as a principle always means taking any bad with any good.

Usually I find the freedom worth any consequence, especially when it's offense related, as I am almost incapable of being offended by most things of that nature.

I wonder if the reason men are more easily turned on is just that there are many more "local Johnny Depps" prancing around.

Though, should you come to West Hollywood you will actually see quite a few "local Johnny Depp" guys walking around. Perhaps your attitude would change
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[LifesEcstasy]

By far the strangest thing I find about males is their absolute belief in gender\societal roles to the point where it restricts and limits their life and what they think they can achieve. My thought is always...

Dude this isn't working for you [obviously], so why not just believe in something else? Gender roles only exist because people keep regurgitating them. There is no force out there in the universe compelling you to believe in this and act this way.

I'm not saying that females don't also suffer from this. But I find it to be a stronger trait and more often hampering males. Most of the women I know will step outside of a gender role if it no longer serves them. And a lot of women actively challenge gender roles. Males I find are far too concerned about what other people will think of them if they do so. The umpteen threads on here about portraying the alpha male image is testament to it. So many seem interested in upholding this outdated and unhelpful male image as if it's the messiah. Biological programming is another holy grail on here that I see used to justify why someone is stuck.

Come on guys are you hapless victims of social programming and biology or are you sentient beings capable of independent thought?

[AlfredSchnittke]

"Come on guys are you hapless victims of social programming and biology or are you sentient beings capable of independent thought?"

Huh?...

Are you not a human being? You aren't made up from genetic components?


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[Mind Marauder]

	Originally Posted by LifesEcstasy To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Come on guys are you hapless victims of social programming and biology or are you sentient beings capable of independent thought?

How one thinks is almost entirely determined by genetics and social rearing. Unless there is some other form of sentience that I'm not aware of, sentient beings are bound by the physical laws of the universe. All thoughts are based in causality, therefore, independent thought is an illusion. In observing this fact, the mistake that I think you are alluding to is the fact that many on here use one factor in the causal chain as the entire causal chain.

[AlfredSchnittke]

^^

*thunderous applause*

I believe you can omit the "almost" in the first sentence though!

[SwedenF]

	Originally Posted by AlfredSchnittke To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I'm always fascinated by that opposing view, as I know it exists...maybe you've just not spent enough time looking at pretty vaginas?

No such thing as a "pretty" vagina dude.

	Originally Posted by AlfredSchnittke To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	What's gross about them?

Everything? xD The sort of shrivelled, slightly darker skin. The way it's built. The smell. It's hard to pinpoint one thing, as it's a combination of all of it. But I think it mostly boils down to the way the skin is, as well as the fact that it's sort of layered and goes inwards.

This seems to me a recurring theme with me, as it applies to male genitalia as well. I think circumcised is A LOT sexier than not (although I would never actually do it to my kid, or support it being done), and the ones I've seen that were more shrivelled in general I found super unattractive. And the female genitalia I've seen that I found the least ugly/yuckie, have basically looked like flat skin and a "crack" in the middle, so no shrivels or layers =P

And, it's not that I can't stand female genitalia or get all "EW I'M NOT TOUCHING MYSELF". Over all I got no problem with it as long as I don't have to look at it, or get it anywhere near my face.

	Originally Posted by AlfredSchnittke To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
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That's not how demisexuality works. It's not about someone being good looking. The reason I think Johnny Depp is sexy, is because he does roles that are really intriguing, and does them in a way other people can't. My like of his character choices transfers to liking him (but not in a romantic way, which I usually need, hence calling it exception), which becomes thinking he is hot as hell.

And if it happened to be Johnny Depp walking naked in the street, I'd still consider it wrong.

[AlfredSchnittke]

Are all women demisexuals?

[SwedenF]

No, but I am, and since you were writing in reply to me, I replied
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[AlfredSchnittke]

Yeah, it's just that originally we were trying to discuss women in general.

I suppose the rare exception is also nice though.