[Aronnax]

	Originally Posted by babsa To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Discrimination requires someone to act on their prejudice. Sexism and racism are not, by definition, discrimination in the sense of what we are talking about.

Are you claiming that no one acts on prejudice against whites and/or males on the basis of either their ethnicity or gender?

Edit~ to clarify: are we talking about frequency or intention?

[Distance]

While you can be sexist or racist against males or whites, some won't and some can't understand the impacts. It takes a lifetime of being bombarded with messages of second class citizenry in order to understand how bigotry of this nature can affect others.

[babsa]

	Originally Posted by Aronnax To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Are you claiming that no one acts on prejudice against whites and/or males on the basis of either their ethnicity or gender? Edit~ to clarify: are we talking about frequency or intention?

Neither?

I am not talking about specifics here, the group i am talking about does not matter for the discussion at hand, it could be any group of people. You seem to be associating sexism and racism with discrimination in a different sense of the word that we are using. Discrimination is a word that could mean just discerning a differences between two separate entities. However, discrimination has become known as a term to define when someone subjugates another person because of their prejudices.

[SwedenF]

	Originally Posted by babsa To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I believe that the quote is essentially saying the Sweden is the antithesis of feminism, which would make it an extremely misogynistic country.

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	Saudi Arabia is the land of super-serious, break-the-rules-and-get-50-lashes-ultra-conservative Wahhabi Islam. Sweden is the same, except for feminism instead of Islam.

Ah. Thanks for the explanation. Weird thing to say, and impressively inaccurate xD

[FruitLoop]

You can be as sexist to someone as you like, but if they just laugh at you then it falls a bit flat doesn't it LOL

Same thing calling a white person some, er, white person racist term, they are going to go "WTF are you on maaaaaaan", so it kinda has no sting in it's tail because of the way it is received.

Same principle applies to almost anything, but many sensitive types have us brainwashed I think.. **dodges frying pan
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[zibber]

Of course that's bunk. Let's not act as if there isn't a difference, though. If I had a nickel for every white man told me affirmative action is racist..

Also, tell me ONE ethnic slur about white people that's as offensive as you-know-what. Cracker? Honkey? Guero? Are you starting to see where I'm coming from?

	Originally Posted by Frosted To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I think the OP misunderstood the text she quoted. It wasn't meant to be taken literally --that you cannot be sexist toward a man or that you cannot be racist toward white people. It meant that you can't offend someone when they don't perceive your "insult" as an offense.

We have a winner!

[Shoshana]

	Originally Posted by zibber To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Also, tell me ONE ethnic slur about white people that's as offensive as you-know-what. Cracker? Honkey? Guero? Are you starting to see where I'm coming from?

Actually, I worked in a predominantly black environment where the boss was black. This was at a famous university and the man running this project is nationally known. That said, a hostile black guy and a white kiss ass/black wannabe were using the term "ghost" to refer to whites.

I found the term offensive, plus, the circumstances were such that it created a hostile environment. Embarrassingly, one of them was middle aged and the other was in his late 20s early 30s.

[themuzicman]

I wasn't sure if the poll was talking theoretically or in reality.

Theoretically, yes.

In reality, our culture allows anyone to do anything to straight, white (especially Christian) males, and no one bats an eye.

Story: Went into a "diversity training" (led by a black woman), where they used videos to create scenarios to discuss. In every video, the straight, white male was the bad guy. Racist? In theory, yes. In reality, none of the minorities or women thought anything was wrong with the videos at all.

[zibber]

Originally Posted by Shoshana To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Actually, I worked in a predominantly black environment where the boss was black. This was at a famous university and the man running this project is nationally known. That said, a hostile black guy and a white kiss ass/black wannabe were using the term "ghost" to refer to whites. I found the term offensive, plus, the circumstances were such that it created a hostile environment. Embarrassingly, one of them was middle aged and the other was in his late 20s early 30s.

I said "as offensive as". I'm sure that was offensive.

[nowt]

At least you had to hold your tongue with the non-white and non-male--

One can only imagine a room of just you [white, xtian, straight and male] watching those same videos.

	Originally Posted by themuzicman To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	allows anyone to do anything

There's a long list.

[Litchee]

In France white people get called chalk-face. I don't see how that's any less offensive than any other racial slur.

[zibber]

	Originally Posted by Litchee To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	In France white people get called chalk-face. I don't see how that's any less offensive than any other racial slur.

Neither do a lot of white people.


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[Shoshana]

	Originally Posted by zibber To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I said "as offensive as". I'm sure that was offensive.

It could never be "as offensive as" because the history and balance of power just isn't there.

Or let me reframe it. I think it was highly offensive, and was intended to intimidate. It did create a hostile work atmosphere. But it could never have the same impact because at the end of the day, I could walk away from it and have plenty of other choices. Whereas blacks and other minorities can bump into this anywhere at anytime.

That said, it is racist and that's the point on the thread I was addressing. It was intended and received as racial hostility.

[Polymath20]

I once had a temp job.
We were broken into two teams doing essentially the same thing.
One very outspoken member of my team kept going on about "international effort" being why we were "winning" (our team was completing products at a markedly faster rate)

Then I realized that I was the only white person on either team.


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[babsa]

Originally Posted by themuzicman To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I wasn't sure if the poll was talking theoretically or in reality. Theoretically, yes. In reality, our culture allows anyone to do anything to straight, white (especially Christian) males, and no one bats an eye. Story: Went into a "diversity training" (led by a black woman), where they used videos to create scenarios to discuss. In every video, the straight, white male was the bad guy. Racist? In theory, yes. In reality, none of the minorities or women thought anything was wrong with the videos at all.

How is this racist? The only person assuming anything is you. Do you realize that it is a fabricated scenario and you are assuming it's intentions.

[Fox]

Racism & Sexism goes both ways. Men & White people can be victims of it. Problem is since they are perceived as the majority or those with the power they won't get much sympathy if they claim they are being discriminated against.

[themuzicman]

	Originally Posted by babsa To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	How is this racist? The only person assuming anything is you. Do you realize that it is a fabricated scenario and you are assuming it's intentions.

One time, no big deal. Two may be a coincidence.

But five? Yeah, either that's systemic racism/sexism or intentional racism/sexism. I suspect both.

[nowt]

Five. Like a boss. And a boss. And another boss. And their boss. And his boss--

Coincidentally.

	Originally Posted by themuzicman To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	One time, no big deal. Two may be a coincidence. But five? Yeah, either that's systemic racism/sexism or intentional racism/sexism. I suspect both.

[SwedenF]

	Originally Posted by Shoshana To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	were using the term "ghost" to refer to whites.

I've been called ghost too. It'd never cross my mind to use any offensive word for any other color of skin, yet apparently it's ok to call me whatever just because I happen to be white.

I never really bought the whole "We've been put through it longer, so it's worse for us"-deal. Yes, it sucks that it's happened a long time, but that's no excuse to do it back. If we think like that, we'll caught in an endless eye-for-an-eye situation. We suppress you, you suppress us, we suppress you, and the cycle goes on and on.

Besides, I live by the motto that if you do what you complain about, you no longer have the right to complain as you are actively taking part in creating the situation. Needless to say most people who are very fired up about racism don't like me very much.

[DesertKnight]

To clarify, this is my opinion.

Humans are equal on a basic physiological principle.

To show racism/sexism/prejudice to any one particular variant of human is illogical and highly pointless, often unproductive and often the result of an emotional variable being introduced via a social medium.

I have never understood this line of thought, nor will I ever see a purpose or useful application of it.

To the OP specifically: Yes it is possible; but no I don't understand the motivation or logic behind it regardless of gender or race. Voted no because it can and does happen, though that isn't my personal view on it.

[Tito]

Since the US is now a country where minorities do have rights and those rights are backed by the Constitution and hence, backed by the government; it makes no sense what-so-ever to give the terms "racism" and "sexism" a biased definition. People are not really institutionally oppressed anymore, at least not in the US and in situations where it may be occurring, the government is there to rectify it.

Its for this reason that to me, anyone that is prejudiced towards anyone else can also be considered racist and/or sexist, regardless of their race or gender.

[Shahira]

I noticed that if an area is majority white it's considered not very diverse and might inhabit racists. But if an area has mainly asian or black it is considered "very diverse". You can be sexist to men. White is a race. There are different kinds of black people, asians and whites. Black and asian are considered to be a race so why shouldn't white people. I really hate the whole using colours to separate one race from another. If you want to beat racism you need to break down the barriers and divisions. White, black or asian it doesn't matter. We are all people at the end of the day. May be different colours on the outisde, but the same colour of blood on the inside.

[Xanthippe]

	Originally Posted by babsa To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	How is this racist? The only person assuming anything is you. Do you realize that it is a fabricated scenario and you are assuming it's intentions.

Yeah, um, just imagine it was a police training video, and all five of the actors playing criminals were black. Surely this goes both ways?

[Anza]

There are people who actually believe this? I thought these words were only put in people's mouths, not that someone would seriously say them.

[Antares]

A bigot by any other name... These idiots on Tumblr are apparently confused. What they're doing is playing with words and their connotations. Being discriminatory, rude or prejudiced against men and whites because they're male and white is racism and sexism no matter what you call it.