[LadySpock]

Idiotes, I am not suggesting you change who you are. You are not defective. There is nothing wrong with you.

I am suggesting you change how you are looking at the situation and adjust your behavior...

We can change our perspective and our behavior for our own benefit without changing who we are.

[mieu]

	Originally Posted by Haumea To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I love how people on this board casually insinuate that damaged/unstable women are some kind of tiny minority of untouchables. I suggest they look up the divorce rates in the US and maybe fucking get real or something. Daddy issues - it's what's for breakfast, lunch and dinner in 2012.

Who said damaged/unstable women are in the minority? There's someone for everyone, so they must be equal in number to the population of damaged and unstable men. Exceptionals are in the minority (see dictionary definition on 'exception'), therefore it'd stand to reason that the majority of people are the thrice-chewed cud of backwards bigotry fed to them by tit, spoon and syringe for the majority of their lives. Hopefully this clarifies what demographic I'm casually insinuating the gender-bent whiners described in the OP belong to.

[BBC]

	Originally Posted by changos To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Are you guys like these when discussing with women?

You just perfectly defined the underlying problem!

[Innovate]

Women don't want to be around guys that are bitter towards them & complain about their gender. When I hear women complaining about guys & how irrational they are, I run.

Women are not algorithms. Just because she isn't all over you, yet you think she should be, doesn't mean she is "irrational." I've had issues with this. It's too easy to pass the blame. Sometimes, things don't make sense to us personally, but that's just our personal views.

The staring thing that INTJ's tend to do seems to work for me sometimes; I don't know why.

[Muse]

What's with the obsession with sex? There is so much more to finding and having a romantic relationship than orgasms.

	Originally Posted by mieu To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Who said damaged/unstable women are in the minority? There's someone for everyone, so they must be equal in number to the population of damaged and unstable men.

Optimistic sayings don't apply to reality like that. There is no mystical force making sure that the number of "damaged/unstable" women and men is always equal. Even the number of men and women in general isn't equal.

	Originally Posted by Innovate To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	When I hear women complaining about guys & how irrational they are, I run.

Same. It's a huge turn off, and I can see why someone of either gender wouldn't like it. Walking into a situation where a ton of assumptions are made about you based on your gender is a pretty limiting box to be in.

[Cooper]

Dusty Dick...Ice Box Pussy. We're all fucking damaged. Get over it.

[curiousgeorge01]

Originally Posted by ManWithNoName To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Iota and curiousgeorge01 were just pointing out how the premise of the topic is incomplete and possibly flawed. That is the attitude of thinking that women are decidedly defective when they choose wrong when it comes to men, or that they are wholly illogical, is not an attitude that arises purely out lack of sex with women. It can and it does for sure, I and I don't think neither does Iota or curiousgeorge01 claim it doesn't. But if you're going to examine the issue of the attitude that you find counter-productive and immature then shouldn't we actually explore the issue, it's premises, and the subtly of the argument, instead of just turning it into a so narrowly defined thing where there is allowed no deviation or exploration and so the advice becomes limited because the thread is limited.

Yep that would be it. You can be happy and have a great sex life and still complain about women. I think the fact that every time we bring this topic up about women being nuttier than a can of Planters and women turning it into some Feminism hating thread, annoys the hell out of us. Remember what I said about venting? You know how women vent and it annoys the crap out of you when men yell at you for venting? Well this is the same thing.

Surprise. I don't hate women, I am happy, I have a great love life, I still think women are nuts. And I say that with love. Don't take it so literally as in I'm a man bashing females.

[mieu]

	Originally Posted by Muse
	Optimistic sayings don't apply to reality like that. There is no mystical force making sure that the number of "damaged/unstable" women and men is always equal. Even the number of men and women in general isn't equal.

If you want to count sheep, sweet dreams. I'm confident that my point--that its unlikely those who complain about getting the quality of women they meet (in whinerese, 'she rejected me' roughly translates to 'there must be something wrong with women') are any 'better' than that which they condemn.

Btdubs the ratio of men to women worldwide is pretty damn near 50-50. I still assert, however, that it is irrelevant to my point

[Hydro]

	Originally Posted by curiousgeorge01 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Surprise. I don't hate women, I am happy, I have a great love life, I still think women are nuts. And I say that with love. Don't take it so literally as in I'm a man bashing females.

And that's the essential of it. The more we think and let them know playfully they are nuts the more they love us. That's the fun of the game!

[LadySpock]

You and your co-horts are not playing any games here or letting any of the women in your life (assuming you have any) know "playfully" that you think they are nuts.

There is bleating & braying & weeping and gnashing of teeth in this forum in the form of lonliness & bitterness from men who are their own worst enemies when it comes to finding hapiness.

But - carry on with the delusions...

[curiousgeorge01]

Me and my cohorts? What cohorts? Well frankly I'm speaking for myself that I don't hate women and I'm sure there are lots of men who have a similar attitude on this forum. I don't know why you need to believe that we do. I'm sure some of us do, as for the majority? Don't know.

[mieu]

	Originally Posted by Hydro To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	And that's the essential of it. The more we think and let them know playfully they are nuts the more they love us. That's the fun of the game!

So that's what's happening in all of these posts? Man, what a releif, that 'who else sympathizes with rapists' thread had me going. It makes so much sense--how could Mystery NOT be a comedian? Mean, he even looks like an emo goth clown. Like a mime that can talk, but has nothing worthwhile to say! Postmodern irony. Boy do I feel foolish.

[MacGuffin]

	Originally Posted by LadySpock To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Yes, I said it "Dusty Dick Syndrome" [HIDE="Click for definition of Dusty Dick Syndrome"]The irrational and crippling venomous bitterness which arises in an INTJ male when dust collects on his dick from lack of use.[/HIDE]

First, I thank you for this thread, the title alone made me snort with laughter at work. Secondly, your three concepts are great advice, and apply to anyone regardless of type.

One thing I wonder, however, is how much the forum here is self-selecting. Are the attitudes of some men here (unsure just how widespread) proportionally representative of INTJ men as a whole? I suspect it isn't quite the same... even though I'm not INTJ, I find I spend less time online the happier I am with my life. So what you (and I, and others) have noticed about INTJ men on this forum might just be a more vocal minority concentrated by the very nature of online communities.

[Hydro]

	Originally Posted by mieu To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	So that's what's happening in all of these posts? Man, what a releif, that 'who else sympathizes with rapists' thread had me going. It makes so much sense--how could Mystery NOT be a comedian? Mean, he even looks like an emo goth clown. Like a mime that can talk, but has nothing worthwhile to say! Postmodern irony. Boy do I feel foolish.

What Mystery?

[mieu]

Originally Posted by MacGuffin To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

First, I thank you for this thread, the title alone made me snort with laughter at work. Secondly, your three concepts are great advice, and apply to anyone regardless of type. One thing I wonder, however, is how much the forum here is self-selecting. Are the attitudes of some men here (unsure just how widespread) proportionally representative of INTJ men as a whole? I suspect it isn't quite the same... even though I'm not INTJ, I find I spend less time online the happier I am with my life. So what you (and I, and others) have noticed about INTJ men on this forum might just be a more vocal minority concentrated by the very nature of online communities.

Pft, of course its not representative of everyone on this forum. Most people who are simutaneously obsessively preoccupied and defeated in bewilderment and bitterness by the opposite sex usually cant keep track of all their teeth let alone figger out how one o them dang computerboxes work. You almost never see them mingling with such an esteemed covenant of cleverness as this

[changos]

	Originally Posted by MacGuffin To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Are the attitudes of some men here (unsure just how widespread) proportionally representative of INTJ men as a whole? I suspect it isn't quite the same... even though I'm not INTJ.

No, and I would say a big no. I used to participate on another forum (got closed) and it was very different. The intjs were more focused on fixing things. Questions had lots of information, even regarding the previous attemps. Answers had lots of useful information, and people were open to other opinions... not like "that's not true, prove it!!" not a chance.

I exchanged some pms with some people here regarding those attitudes, and found another forum where the intjs are more like the kind I used to know. Threads are a lot healthier, focused on information, answers, even the questions have information not only "I don't get it", very interesting. I shared that link with some but it was difficult, intjf cuts the link and name, it puts "someotherforum" instead. I also found that the age of the posters is very different.

	Originally Posted by MacGuffin To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I find I spend less time online the happier I am with my life. So what you (and I, and others) have noticed about INTJ men on this forum might just be a more vocal minority concentrated by the very nature of online communities.

I feel the same, but the logical people around me at work (at least the ones interested on discussing things, answers, tendencies, patterns) are here no more, so I only have the internet to discuss those kind of things (mostly... elsewhere... lately).

[MacGuffin]

Originally Posted by changos To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

No, and I would say a big no. I used to participate on another forum (got closed) and it was very different. The intjs were more focused on fixing things. Questions had lots of information, even regarding the previous attemps. Answers had lots of useful information, and people were open to other opinions... not like "that's not true, prove it!!" not a chance. I exchanged some pms with some people here regarding those attitudes, and found another forum where the intjs are more like the kind I used to know. Threads are a lot healthier, focused on information, answers, even the questions have information not only "I don't get it", very interesting. I shared that link with some but it was difficult, intjf cuts the link and name, it puts "someotherforum" instead. I also found that the age of the posters is very different.

It might be a self-perpetuating cycle now as well. Some male INTJs with those attitudes, for whatever reason, found this forum an acceptable place to air their views. Which attracted other INTJ men with similar views to the forum.

[akairo no kuma]

Lmfao. Reply to this threat with misogyny and (ir)rational explanations for your ridiculously poor behaviour, and everyone will know that you're the one to whom the OP refers.

I've noticed this phenomenon a lot. Oddly, INTJ women don't seem to cling to the same brand of whiny sexism when their vaginas develop cobwebs. Or maybe they don't?

[curiousgeorge01]

	Originally Posted by MacGuffin To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	It might be a self-perpetuating cycle now as well. Some male INTJs with those attitudes, for whatever reason, found this forum an acceptable place to air their views. Which attracted other INTJ men with similar views to the forum.

Yes but the reverse argument can be made as well. Why are the women so boisterous about their opinions as well? Takes two to tango remember?

[changos]

	Originally Posted by MacGuffin To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	It might be a self-perpetuating cycle now as well. Some male INTJs with those attitudes, for whatever reason, found this forum an acceptable place to air their views. Which attracted other INTJ men with similar views to the forum.

Most people don't want to change. The difference is be willing to research and learn, not only complaining, I believe it is valid to point out the difficulties and also to complain from time to time, but what each person is going to do is somehing else.

Dinner with friends (film):
Greg Kinnear: blah blah but you are always complaining about your wife!!!
Dennys Quaid: blah blah oh yes, but that's what we men do, but I don't cheat on her, and I don't leave her!!!!

sorry can't find the exact text to quote it here. Great move BTW.

[MacGuffin]

	Originally Posted by curiousgeorge01 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Yes but the reverse argument can be made as well. Why are the women so boisterous about their opinions as well? Takes two to tango remember?

The problem isn't boisterous opinions, it's the subject matter of those opinions. The INTJ women aren't near the same. To wit:

	Originally Posted by akairo no kuma To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Oddly, INTJ women don't seem to cling to the same brand of whiny sexism when their vaginas develop cobwebs.

[curiousgeorge01]

	Originally Posted by akairo no kuma To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Lmfao. Reply to this threat with misogyny and (ir)rational explanations for your ridiculously poor behaviour, and everyone will know that you're the one to whom the OP refers.

Another poor assumption. I'm just bored at work.

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	Originally Posted by MacGuffin To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	The problem isn't boisterous opinions, it's the subject matter of those opinions.

Yes and the majority of those opinions can pretty much be labelled under "we're women and we can do whatever we want and you're stupid," which makes the guys ask for more proof, which is followed by another "women do what we want and you're stupid argument" and so forth and so forth...

If that's the case, why don't they just stop arguing instead of those poor arguments.

[plotthickens]

	Originally Posted by curiousgeorge01 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Another poor assumption. I'm just bored at work.

Po-tay-toh, po-tah-to.

[MechanicalSun]

LadySpock is not answering to any sensible counter-argument/criticism to her OP and/or subsequent posts.

Therefore the case is declared:[HIDE="................."]CLOSED
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DUN DUN DUN[/HIDE]

[Muse]

	Originally Posted by mieu To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	If you want to count sheep, sweet dreams.

Your statement doesn't take into consideration gender trends found in abnormal psych. My problem with that is that it could discourage people from seeking treatment and living happier lives. Your second point/post is okay, but i'm glad you clarified because it really wasn't a reiteration.

	Originally Posted by akairo no kuma To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Oddly, INTJ women don't seem to cling to the same brand of whiny sexism when their vaginas develop cobwebs. Or maybe they don't?

Oh, there is sexism on both sides. Trust me, I have encountered it. INTJ women also. Some forms of sexism just aren't apparent until you happen upon it. Most people know that it isn't the most appropriate of views socially so they avoid showing it to avoid conflict that they are unwilling to manage.

It's all equally disgusting though.