[sevans]

Okay, so I've just recently found out that my INTJ type isn't really valid; apparently I have Borderline Personality Disorder. I'm reading up about it, and shit is getting bleak and bleaker, I'm really starting to think that it's something I won't be able to fix and it will dominate my life. Honestly, I feel like a retarded child, like a fucking loser who doesn't deserve to be alive as I'm unable to contribute socially to society.

What does anybody know about this disorder, DBT, CBT, and other treatments because right now things are not looking or feeling good and I'm running out of patience for my stupidity and inability.

[ManWithNoName]

Originally Posted by sevans To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Okay, so I've just recently found out that my INTJ type isn't really valid; apparently I have Borderline Personality Disorder. I'm reading up about it, and shit is getting bleak and bleaker, I'm really starting to think that it's something I won't be able to fix and it will dominate my life. Honestly, I feel like a retarded child, like a fucking loser who doesn't deserve to be alive as I'm unable to contribute socially to society. What does anybody know about this disorder, DBT, CBT, and other treatments because right now things are not looking or feeling good and I'm running out of patience for my stupidity and inability.

Who diagnosed you with BPD?

[CrudeHypothesis]

So what's your problem? You can't decide on what you think you can do in life because someone can't give you a straigh answer what type you are and ultimately what you're good at?

[sevans]

	Originally Posted by ManWithNoName To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Who diagnosed you with BPD?

I'm in an outpatient hospitalization program for something that happened a couple weeks ago. The psychologist and therapists have diagnosed me with it.

---------- Post added 05-12-2012 at 09:34 AM ----------

	Originally Posted by CrudeHypothesis To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	So what's your problem? You can't decide on what you think you can do in life because someone can't give you a straigh answer what type you are and ultimately what you're good at?

No, I'm freaking out because I've lost tons of friends, feel like I'm losing the friends I have now, and terrified that the future leads to nothing better. It has nothing to do with the answer; I need help from people that have been there, I think.

[Lilie]

As PDs go, BPD is pretty bad but also has one of the most hopeful prognoses... IF you keep working on it with qualified professionals and don't give up or slide back into denial.

The doom and gloom you're reading now is because the nature of BPD makes it very difficult and painful for sufferers to own up to their problems. Accepting the diagnosis is the necessary first step that most people don't manage... or only temporarily manage. As long as you have that, you have hope.

[spect]

	Originally Posted by sevans To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	What does anybody know about this disorder, DBT, CBT, and other treatments because right now things are not looking or feeling good and I'm running out of patience for my stupidity and inability.

schema was created from and for treating bpd, but both schema and dialectical have the best results according to statistical research into the treatments given. i think its crucial to get a specialist within either of those areas, with a proven record of successful treatments for bpd.

[searches89]

What did you do/ how did you lose your friends?

[sevans]

	Originally Posted by searches89 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	What did you do/ how did you lose your friends?

Honestly, I have no idea.

[mieu]

I have a cousin with BPD. CBT is recommended as it responds either poorly or not at all to drug therapy.

Can I ask how old you are? Age can be a factor.

[sevans]

	Originally Posted by mieu To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I have a cousin with BPD. CBT is recommended as it responds either poorly or not at all to drug therapy. Can I ask how old you are? Age can be a factor.

I'm 22

[spect]

	Originally Posted by mieu To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	CBT is recommended as it responds either poorly or not at all to drug therapy.

guess i could try to paraphrase why cbt has a lower effective rate than something like schema, but cbt is part of schema and many other approaches... its good for immediate and surface things that need to be addressed first like axis 1's, but i dont think its good for pd's which require intensive involvement from the therapist. i dont think most therapists are qualified to treat pd's.

[sevans]

I got a taste of what it's like to be around me today. Fuck am I sorry guys, I'm really going to work at this and get healthy again.

[spect]

not sure feeling bad about yourself is good for you right now, i can understand and appreciate the self-perspective but bpd is serious... if you've got it might be more important to allow yourself some forgiveness and compassion for what you have been through in order to move on. with bpd, giving yourself a sense of guilt is punitive and thats been internalized from punitive and uncaring parents, which means you have that inside you and need to resolve it.

with bpd you have some strong needs to fulfill, so dont be upset or angry with yourself for having them because that doesnt make you messed up. finding out those needs and getting them met is very important my man, and thats strength to admit... not weakness.

[mieu]

	Originally Posted by spect To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	guess i could try to paraphrase why cbt has a lower effective rate than something like schema, but cbt is part of schema and many other approaches... its good for immediate and surface things that need to be addressed first like axis 1's, but i dont think its good for pd's which require intensive involvement from the therapist. i dont think most therapists are qualified to treat pd's.

Wasn't trying to make an argument for one or the other. I find that I tend to use the term 'CBT' as a catch-all for psychotherapy in general, which is really only because it's the only methodology I've been acquainted with. Big assumption on my part of the nature of what seems to be maladaptive thinking in BPD, I'm not familiar with it's mechanisms at all, just a single-case manifestation.

[Scrotus]

	Originally Posted by sevans To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Honestly, I have no idea.

Can you describe the situation in terms of observations then? Like how you would interact with them before you "lost" them, what activities yall would do, how they'd speak to you, etc. Like, I'm really confused by what BPD is at all, but I don't wanna look it up because personal stories are more important/interesting than generalized doo-doo on the internet =\.

[spect]

	Originally Posted by mieu To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Wasn't trying to make an argument for one or the other. I find that I tend to use the term 'CBT' as a catch-all for psychotherapy in general, which is really only because it's the only methodology I've been acquainted with. Big assumption on my part of the nature of what seems to be maladaptive thinking in BPD, I'm not familiar with it's mechanisms at all, just a single-case manifestation.

ah, ok. then you actually made a pretty good guesstimate, because cbt is so prevalent that its usually a safe assumption. i think pd's are more of a limited exception, but you are still not completely off because many therapists still attempt to use cbt with pd's... yet its something that i dont believe in after studying and understanding why pd specialists dont like its limitations. its also something that i dont like about the abuse group im volunteering with because the treatment manual is mostly cbt based, and im running into hard resistance whenever i mention this. pd's are unfortunately more common with abuse, and it kinda sucks for them that alternative options to cbt is not that well understood.

[FruitLoop]

	Originally Posted by sevans To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	No, I'm freaking out because I've lost tons of friends, feel like I'm losing the friends I have now, and terrified that the future leads to nothing better. It has nothing to do with the answer; I need help from people that have been there, I think.

Put all that crap aside and decide who you are and then live it. No one defines you but you - inadvertantly or otherwise.

[Smacknrat]

Originally Posted by sevans To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I'm in an outpatient hospitalization program for something that happened a couple weeks ago. The psychologist and therapists have diagnosed me with it. ---------- Post added 05-12-2012 at 09:34 AM ---------- No, I'm freaking out because I've lost tons of friends, feel like I'm losing the friends I have now, and terrified that the future leads to nothing better. It has nothing to do with the answer; I need help from people that have been there, I think.

*sigh* Yeah, I think most of the dominant introverts go through that about 22ish. A relationship is a two-way streak and both sides have to want to proceed. For me the number of non-work friends slowly diminished until I had maybe 2 or 3 friends left... Meeting 3 times a month on a one on one with three different friends is actually considered an achievement. Somehow, at the same time, if all that's discussed when you meet those friends is "what have you been up to?", chances are you haven't been friends really...

Even then, for me, the amount of effort and energy I try to put in isn't always rewarded or understood as the other side doesn't grow or hasn't grown to appreciate such friendships... or maybe I'm just an ass. Who knows.

This seems like an aside, but:
TV is a good distraction, but it's just actors and sets. No one lives that life and that gets a lot of people bummed out wondering where all their friends and extravagant lifestyle is. The future happens and it's not all bad. Try not to include visions of the future derived from promises from the news or other programming on TV.

On a similar note, there are a lot of people that just... suck. Remember those people from middle school? They got jobs. Remember how they weren't very good at school? Well, they're still doctors regardless. Sometime they end up being psychiatrists and bad ones at that... There are people that are good at what they do and there are people that are BAD at what they do. Take ALLLLLLLL of that in.

P.S. Friends finding out about your BPD is, well, bad. Gossip, rumor mills, backstabbing, and attitude changes are the norm when word gets out.

[JonD]

One of my closest friends has been recently diagnosed with BPD. I've known her throughout the initial treatment phase.

I want to say that It will get better. There are people in your life who will stick around because they care about you.

[psykhe]

	Originally Posted by sevans To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Okay, so I've just recently found out that my INTJ type isn't really valid; apparently I have Borderline Personality Disorder.

Having the latter invalidates the former? Why?

	Originally Posted by Lilie To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Accepting the diagnosis is the necessary first step that most people don't manage... or only temporarily manage. As long as you have that, you have hope.

I have to agree with this. The simplest and the most crucial step you can make at the moment.

	Originally Posted by spect To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	schema was created from and for treating bpd, but both schema and dialectical have the best results according to statistical research into the treatments given. i think its crucial to get a specialist within either of those areas, with a proven record of successful treatments for bpd.

I honestly mistook your 'schema' for something else. I have trouble understanding why you jump into a conclusion of punitive parents when sevans did not even state what was/were there before the diagnosis. I am not opposing what you said, but I just thought since he was diagnosed by a psychologist and a therapist I'm sure they were able to suggest a therapy or something? If not a referral?

[Swanee]

Confusion is the pre-cursor to learning - learning is the pre-cursor to understanding - understanding means choice. Choose what you are going to do and how you want to behave.

[spect]

	Originally Posted by psykhe To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Having the latter invalidates the former? Why?

my theory: doesnt always happen, but for the same reasons that under the same early developmental influences which often gives rise to pd's, cognitive structuring can be very different. example: using rational abilities to repress emotions from coping with childhood trauma can put an early emphasis on development of one function over the other despite what people are inherently born with... and thats my personal example.

	I honestly mistook your 'schema' for something else. I have trouble understanding why you jump into a conclusion of punitive parents when sevans did not even state what was/were there before the diagnosis.

history.

what did you mistake my schema as?

[psykhe]

Originally Posted by spect To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

my theory: doesnt always happen, but for the same reasons that under the same early developmental influences which often gives rise to pd's, cognitive structuring can be very different. example: using rational abilities to repress emotions from coping with childhood trauma can put an early emphasis on development of one function over the other despite what people are inherently born with... and thats my personal example.

Interesting point. I reckon you're coming from a standpoint which put emphasis on the inherent properties of personality traits? With your example, I'd like to argue that rational abilities is more likely associated with right-left brain dominance while repression of emotions is part of social learning..it can be a learned behaviour (positive or not depends on the individuals' formed social constructs).

	history.

I guess I don't know much about sevans to comment on the above.

	what did you mistake my schema as?

I mistook it for schemata. Oh well, I usually have difficulty picking proper nouns in a group of words if they are not capitalised. My bad.

[spect]

Originally Posted by psykhe To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Interesting point. I reckon you're coming from a standpoint which put emphasis on the inherent properties of personality traits? With your example, I'd like to argue that rational abilities is more likely associated with right-left brain dominance while repression of emotions is part of social learning..it can be a learned behaviour (positive or not depends on the individuals' formed social constructs).

sorry, but im not sure what youre asking me now. are you asking if there can be changes to someone's mbti, what those changes are, and what causes those changes?

[Ranie9]

Hi Sevans,
I have BPD. I'm 53, and I've had it for most of my life. It's a serious disorder, and it can wreak havoc in your life, but it is treatable, and life gets better. I love DBT - it makes life liveable. You're not stupid, retarded, or a loser, but you will struggle until you start practicing DBT most of the time. Watch out for black/white thinking: "I have BPD, I'm a loser, I should die". The descriptions of BPD are depressing as hell; I'd suggest you stop reading them, and start reading about DBT. You're going to need some patience with yourself. You're going to need to forgive yourself when you screw up. My INTJ type is messed up, too - I recently tested ISFP. I belong to a forum where there are a lot of BPDs, and I like it because it gives me someplace to vent where people understand. This is the link to it:


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So, hang in there, ok? The suicide rate is pretty high for us...but DBT will teach you how to get through crises. You can message me anytime.