[Booko]

	Originally Posted by Polymath20 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Yes.

I figured, but you couldn't tell it from reading this thread.

[Polymath20]

	Originally Posted by Booko To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I figured, but you couldn't tell it from reading this thread.

But the graph is posted in percents, I'm assuming based on self-assessed responses.

[Booko]

	Originally Posted by annaelizabeth To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Most conservatives I know do not actually think about the issues. If they did and analyzed them, they would realize they are on the wrong side.

I question the idea that there are sides at all, and if so, that political though it linear.

To me this illustrates the problem with political discussion and why it quickly turns into mindless fingerpointing between the extremes, leaving most of the middle to leave in disgust and ignore politics.

	If you don't have an open mind and can't use your brain, I am not going to waste my time discussing facts with you, since they don't mean anything in your world.

You lost me on the "open minded" bit when you went off on "them."

	Originally Posted by Polymath20 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	But the graph is posted in percents, I'm assuming based on self-assessed responses.

Yes, but I was not talking about the Bell curve in reference to the graph, but the responses in this thread.

Except for the responses questioning the survey design.

[themuzicman]

	Originally Posted by Polymath20 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	It is true that there are a lot of pot-smoking liberals who don't make a whole hell of a lot of sense. They have the same "I'm right and you're a primitive ape" aura that zealous conservatives have.

There's one that just posted, here.

	Even so, I've never had a discussion, IRL, where a conservative has conceited a point, no matter how much evidence or reasoning was brought to bear against their position. When information from Ivy League schools won't suffice, it feels as if you're arguing with an inanimate object.

Well, when the ivy league schools stop pushing liberal philosophies and return to balance in education, maybe they'll gain some credibility back with the conservative crowd. TBH, I find that someone with an Ivy League education generally has been indoctrinated in liberalism and is able to pontificate at length, but tend not to actually connect with reality.

Of course, they'd have to admit that some of their ivory tower pontification already has been tried and failed in the real world, and I doubt that will ever happen.

	I've seen conservatives, dependent upon welfare for medical disability, continue to vote in favor of politicians who would take all funding away from those programs.

Please name a single politician who wants to take all funding away from welfare or medical disability. And cite sources, please.

The fact is, you can't. This is part of the liberal LIE. Conservatives do not wish to end welfare. I don't know how many times this has to be said in order for liberals to get out from believing the lie. (I will note here that is is OBAMACARE that took billions out of medicare....)

What IS true is that conservatives think that welfare as presently configured destroys families and creates dependence. (And, in fact, it does.) And, as such, needs to be seriously reformed.

SO, cite needed,

[Booko]

	Originally Posted by themuzicman To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Well, when the ivy league schools stop pushing liberal philosophies and return to balance in education

Quick -- what percentage of grads go to Ivy League schools?

[Polymath20]

Originally Posted by themuzicman To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Well, when the ivy league schools stop pushing liberal philosophies and return to balance in education, maybe they'll gain some credibility back with the conservative crowd. TBH, I find that someone with an Ivy League education generally has been indoctrinated in liberalism and is able to pontificate at length, but tend not to actually connect with reality. Of course, they'd have to admit that some of their ivory tower pontification already has been tried and failed in the real world, and I doubt that will ever happen.

Science is science. When all the world can look at published studies, and believe me, academia is ruthless if you make a mistake, and you still disagree with it - I think that more reflects on your ability to remain objective. As I said, no conservative, IRL, has ever conceited a point or a fact, regardless of what information I brought to the argument, whether it was Ivy League, CalTech, MIT, or another well respected university. To them, the opinions from Fox News are worth more.

Originally Posted by themuzicman To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Please name a single politician who wants to take all funding away from welfare or medical disability. And cite sources, please. The fact is, you can't. This is part of the liberal LIE. Conservatives do not wish to end welfare. I don't know how many times this has to be said in order for liberals to get out from believing the lie. (I will note here that is is OBAMACARE that took billions out of medicare....) What IS true is that conservatives think that welfare as presently configured destroys families and creates dependence. (And, in fact, it does.) And, as such, needs to be seriously reformed. SO, cite needed,

Conservatives are currently attempting to override the automatic spending cuts set to trigger this summer. They want to redirect all the spending cuts into welfare (cuts, not reform) so that the Pentagon doesn't have to take a budget hit at all.

Playing dumb is just more rhetoric. You should keep up with what your party is saying.

[themuzicman]

	Originally Posted by Polymath20 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Science is science.

Misstatement #1. If you want evidence, look at the liberal hysteria when the book "The Bell Curve" was released. It was condemned as junk science, as bad science, because of political reasons.

And possibly rightly so.

Thus, not all science is good science.

	When all the world can look at published studies, and believe me, academia is ruthless if you make a mistake, and you still disagree with it - I think that more reflects on your ability to remain objective.

More accurately, academia is ruthless when you depart from the liberal line. One can look at how global warming scientists threatened to stop publishing to certain journals if the journal continues to publish articles that opposed global warming.

So, this actually reflects more on your naivete with respect to "science", especially when politics is involved.

See "People for Science in the Public Interest" (I think that's the name) for an example of a junk science organization.

	As I said, no conservative, IRL, has ever conceited a point or a fact, regardless of what information I brought to the argument, whether it was Ivy League, CalTech, MIT, or another well respected university. To them, the opinions from Fox News are worth more.

Maybe that's because people of Fox News actually untwist the crap some of the liberal institutions put out, rather than swallowing it hook, line, and sinker. Furthermore, the reporting of these studies in liberal media outlets is actually worse, because they actually twist the conclusion, rather than reporting what the study actually says.

And that, most times, is what I find liberals reporting as a study from these institutions, because they believe the liberal media outlets.

So, you'll have to excuse a conservative for not believing what a liberal cites from their liberal outlets, preferring "fair and balanced" reporting to MSNBC.

	Conservatives are currently attempting to override the automatic spending cuts set to trigger this summer. They want to redirect all the spending cuts into welfare (cuts, not reform) so that the Pentagon doesn't have to take a budget hit at all.

Thank you for admitting that no republican wants to take away all funding for welfare and medical disability

	Playing dumb is just more rhetoric. You should keep up with what your party is saying.

You really should actually make an effort to support your own claims.

[Polymath20]

More logical gymnastics and rhetoric. You can't have a debate with someone who's own imagination is more relevant to them than reality.

[themuzicman]

	Originally Posted by Polymath20 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	More logical gymnastics and rhetoric. You can't have a debate with someone who's own imagination is more relevant to them than reality.

Translation: He has a point I can't answer.

[Arcanist]

	Originally Posted by themuzicman To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Thank you for being exhibit #1 for intolerance.

One should be intolerant of bigoted, war-mongering crusaders.

[themuzicman]

	Originally Posted by Arcanist To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	One should be intolerant of bigoted, war-mongering crusaders.

What about bleeding heart, junk science promoters who push big government on everyone?

[Polymath20]

	Originally Posted by themuzicman To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Translation: He has a point I can't answer.

No, I realized there was nothing further to gain. You have affirmed all of my assertions.

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	Originally Posted by themuzicman To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	What about bleeding heart, junk science promoters who push big government on everyone?

Big Government, like how the Religious Wrong want to tell people what they can and cannot do?

[Melchizedek]

	Originally Posted by Arcanist To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	One should be intolerant of bigoted, war-mongering crusaders.

You're intolerant of everyone else in the nation, who you've neatly categorized as fat, stupid, and far below you. Who shouldn't one be intolerant of?

[themuzicman]

	Originally Posted by Polymath20 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	No, I realized there was nothing further to gain. You have affirmed all of my assertions.

So, you prefer bigotry to understanding. Fine.

	Big Government, like how the Religious Wrong want to tell people what they can and cannot do?

And the liberal left wanting to do the same, except that they'll actually tax you and take your property from you to do it.

Looks like we're left with conservatives being the only ones who want real freedom.

[Nemesis]

	Originally Posted by themuzicman To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	So, you prefer bigotry to understanding. Fine. And the liberal left wanting to do the same, except that they'll actually tax you and take your property from you to do it. Looks like we're left with conservatives being the only ones who want real freedom.

You should really just edit all of your posts to read "I know you are, but what am I?". If you strip away all of the rhetoric, hyperbole, and political buzzwords of the day, that's all you've ever had to say.

Death panels.

[Arcanist]

	Originally Posted by themuzicman To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	What about bleeding heart, junk science promoters who push big government on everyone?

You guys belong in the big government category as well. And wasn't Jesus a sort of "bleeding heart" guy?

[Imperator]

	Originally Posted by Arcanist To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	You guys belong in the big government category as well. And wasn't Jesus a sort of "bleeding heart" guy?

I would have suspected Jesus was a WASP the way most people talk about him.....

[themuzicman]

	Originally Posted by Arcanist To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	You guys belong in the big government category as well. And wasn't Jesus a sort of "bleeding heart" guy?

No. Jesus believed in rational, personal compassion.

[DrCiao]

SNS are only utilized to post photos of your baby, your pet or what you're eating and drinking.

People do not want to think while using SNS. Liberals are the worst, they spew bullshit 24/7 and offended by anything "not politically correct" while conservatives just post porn pics or pics of hot women all day long and comment "like" on her tits and ass.

If I were to use SNS, I would only actively follow about 20 people- most likely they would be venture capitalists, politicians in hiding, or stylemakers. With my friends, I text them via phone cos really I don't want SNS to know what I am doing, who I am meeting, who I am talking to, where I am and what I am up to. Hence, why I don't use SNS.

[nowt]

Is that what he wrote you in a letter, or did he just post it on your FB page for Jebus?--

	Originally Posted by themuzicman To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	No. Jesus believed in rational, personal compassion.

Speaking of hypocrisy.

[Kisai]

	Originally Posted by themuzicman To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	No. Jesus believed in rational, personal compassion.

Quote him.

[ischuldt]

First off the one thing tolerant people should never tolerate is intolerance. That's like saying liberals are violent because you punched them and they punched back.


The other thing is that this only tracks who dropped someone they were friends with not what percentage of your friends held different beliefs to begin with. Most liberals tend to gravitate towards larger cities where they tend to meet and interact with more people that have a wide variety of backgrounds. Most conservatives tend to gravitate toward rural living where they are almost exclusively surrounded by like minded people to begin with.

I would be interested to know how many friends of opposite political ideologies the people in this study actually had. I'm a liberal and I have quite a few conservative friends on facebook. I haven't dropped any of them for political reasons. If one of them went on a really racist or bigoted tirade I might consider it. Most of the conservative friends I have though are townie type people who grew up in the same small town and never left. They don't have a very high # of friends to begin with let a lone a ton of them that are liberal.

[Subgenius]

	Originally Posted by themuzicman To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	In my experience, liberals like to quote "facts" without understanding the source or what the numbers actually mean, and then demand that conservatives accept their interpretation of those things, leading conservatives (rightly so) to be skeptical of liberal so called "facts."

Ahhh, isn't the opposite of that pretty much Fox News' bread and butter?

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Originally Posted by ischuldt To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

The other thing is that this only tracks who dropped someone they were friends with not what percentage of your friends held different beliefs to begin with. Most liberals tend to gravitate towards larger cities where they tend to meet and interact with more people that have a wide variety of backgrounds. Most conservatives tend to gravitate toward rural living where they are almost exclusively surrounded by like minded people to begin with.

Ok, do have any evidence to back up either claim? Saying "most" is kinda loaded.

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	Originally Posted by themuzicman To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	No. Jesus believed in rational, personal compassion.

Oh, yeah, believing you are the son of a god is totally rational.

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	Originally Posted by themuzicman To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Thus, not all science is good science. .

He said science is science. And it's not really an issue of good or bad either. It's correct or incorrect and even that can change.