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To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. . I found it very interesting that there might be some scientific basis (in some instances) of a phenomenon that is considered mystical or downright bullshit by most. I wonder what will happen with the research. |
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Well, did you note the qualifiers in the link, 'at least some' ... |
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Right. Fixed the thread title and OP accordingly.
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The rationalization of emotions is a human thing, our perception is heavily influenced by emotions as they occur prior to logic within our minds. This seems similar to when people see demons in the dark, its just our brain filling in the gaps.
For most people, the awareness of what constitutes our minds is just the tip of the iceberg, so much information is processed behind the scenes. Our brains pick up on things before we can think about it all the time, very subtle things like body language, odor (indications of various hormone levels), heart beat, (perhaps even some form of ESP), could all play a role in our perception of others. The article implies a correlation to a possible mechanism, however that doesn't necessarily mean its a delusion. |
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I... don't see demons in the dark. I would never even think of that (despite having grown up in a Pentecostal Christian cult). |
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Alot of people do (shadows, ghosts, movement, eyes, etc), I can see anything I want to on a blank canvas.
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Synesthesia is just the association of different perception sources.
Vision distortion might rather be linked to Autosuggestion and Hallucinations than Synesthesia. Regarding the association of face-recognition area with the color one, is just an argumentative construct to publish a dubious scientific work and raise some public interest. They can't perceive the auras, and the auras are not associated with other traceable sensory stimuli(not measurable). Therefore it's would be incongruent to relate Aura-sensing with synaesthesia. Tip: Never trust articles with titles containing "May/perhaps/etc." To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. |
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All people do this. Given a blank canvas (such as the dark) the brain seeks the detail that should be there (which it has evolved to spot). Failing to find that detail it focuses on and amplifies the random noise which is ever present and normally subconsciously filtered out. From that noise it in attempts to guess the scene. Since the human brain is hard-wired to spot certain things (like beasts that will eat you) they are likely to feature. |
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Annoying when people put mystical spin on different ways to perceive. Even the term 'synesthesia' is questionable, at least as what's deemed to be a condition.
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[hide=Louis-Bertrand Castel.]
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The idea here is to understand that while we think too, build analogous means to interpret reality, we just change the way we are perceiving it in order to produce a shift in what we see with our eyes. This can be abstractly also seen with our minds. You see the historical flavour that is trying to be achieved?
This might have been a subjective model construct that existed long before we had physiological seen the result as a consensus toward how we all perceive reality but is understood that this form of perception existed as a multilateral cross over in the sensory interpretations. How our perceptions solidify. You see. Acceptance of that general consensus came after we accepted the general construct while inherent in the youth of should be considered?
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Get a UV lens and a digital camera with the UV filter removed.
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There's a game some kids play, go into a dark room by yourself, and stare into a mirror. You'll see some quite interesting things (possibly terrifying). |
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It certainly makes sense that a synaesthete might associate people with colours. However, my experience has been that no two synaesthetes have the same set of associations. For instance, my mother and I both associate letters and numbers with colours, but we disagree on which colours and which symbols go together. To some extent, we can agree on sound-texture associations, like music that sounds "sticky", "tinny" or "dry", but I think this is one of the few synaesthetic dimensions easily accessible to people without the full-fledged condition.
Accordingly, I find it difficult to believe these "healers" are tapping into anything objective or universal when they talk about people's auras, if they are using synaesthesia - someone might seem blue-green to me, and yellow to you. High empathy might help with various "psychic" skills, but I don't see what good synaesthesia would do. And I actually do associate people I know with colours, though not terribly strongly. |
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Psychomanteum, an ole Greek experience?
You construct a parameters for reality for colour interpretations as a associate of emotive constraints toward seeing experiential facets of the choices we make? |
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It would explain why some people see things that don't exist. That would be like a hallucination. You can take 50 people all having hallucinations, in the same room, and they can each see a hallucination. But each hallucination would be different. the same would follow here. If that is the case, then if we take 50 people who claim to see auras, and put them in front of the same 50 people, there would be no consistent consensus as to the auras of the test cases. If the views of the subjects are consistent for each test case, then it would not be the behaviour of a hallucination.
Another way to test it, is to test for synaesthesia itself, which can be measured objectively. In this case, we would take 5,000 people who all claim to see auras, and we test for objective synaesthesia, against the subjective amount of auras the subject claims to see. If auras are caused by synaesthesia, then we would expect to see an exact proportional correlation between the level of objective synaesthesia, and the level of subjective aura-perception. To ensure that the researchers are unbiased, we require that we run a triple-blind trial. Problem solved. Scientifically. |
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This is what is required. |
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People interpret colors differently, if the auras are the result of emotion/intuition then different colors would be ascribed to different feelings which would reslult in people describing auras differently. We dont even know if a specific wavelength of light is interpreted the same among different people, we just agree that a color is the name of a specific wavelength.
So we should look at the meaning and metaphors people associate with the same thing, or their emotions/ gut feeling/ intuition trigger the visuals of different colors associated with specific meaning attached to them. |
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Could you pass a Turing test? |
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That's the point there is no consistent method to a measure. One would like to institute a psychological model according to the physiological correspondences to reality forming parameters of thinking?
You have to be able to understand the algorithm to actively discuss your problems is to put the talk back onto you. Eliza is good at that. |
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To begin with, this is a virtual reality, (first emphasis) and there is no objective reality 'out there'. There is a causal chain but it it founded on statistical probability as quantum physics indicates.
This is exactly the implication to the research of Dr. Beau Lotto who I linked to in a previous
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I actually do associate people with colours, and those colours may vary based on the health and mood of the person in question. It's not an aura, though; I've never tried to see an aura on something. It's more that the energy of the person slips a tint over my vision, and I feel it as much as I see it. Excessive emotion or negativity overwhelms me with murky or unpleasant colours and sensate experiences, which is why I avoid it, besides it being pointless. Similarly, excessive excitement or positivity can become too bright, even blindingly so, and give me an awful headache. Negativity seems to be lower tones; positivity, higher ones.
^ This is relevant to my above statements on objectivity vs. subjectivity.
Indeed. One cannot assume that auras would appear as the same colour across multiple people. The colour is a symbol, and little more. What ought to be done is a study on whether or not aura-reading is accurate. If ten people claiming to be able to see and interpret auras look at one person, they may see ten different colours. But do those colours, to each synaesthete, all mean the same thing - anger, joy, illness? Theoretically, while each synaesthete may have a different colour "key" for what they experience from others, if each of them looks at someone who is terminally ill but shows no symptoms obvious to the naked eye, and they each see a colour that, to them, represents a disturbance or corruption of that person's energy, suggesting illness -- well, I would say that THAT would go further toward proving aura-reading than anything else.
This does not surprise me. Our minds are more powerful than most people give them credit for, and the point is not in the semantics, but in the energy that we harness. I do think that belief has much to do with our experience in life, and whether or not anyone agrees with me is up to them, as I am fundamentally agnostic on all spiritual topics, and when choosing from multiple options that make equal "objective" sense to me (e.g. cannot be proven nor disproven), choose to believe those which make the most subjective sense to me. I also freely and openly admit that my stances cannot be proven, and should they ever be disproven, I will relinquish them without struggle. |
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Have you considered that the colors you "see" on people linked to health/mood/etc. are just another reference to what you already can visually (i.e sensorily acquired) determine?
To clarify further, let's say being in bad mood to back. Can you determine the bad mood neglecting color associated with it? I am compelled to think that is a learned behavior, but doesn't imply that what you perceive holds true- specifically speaking about health status-. And about laxatives, not thanks To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. |
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Nice to have a synesthesiate to enter the dialog. As an 'existentialist of sorts' (I did some research) I have lots of 'constipated reply's to my typical comments ;-)
My hearing loss, identified decades ago, is just one element in my life that has made me more reliant on my intuition.
In case you are unfamiliar with Russel Targ:
Hope you chime in on some of my 'consciousness threads'. |
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Ahaha, the correct word is synaesthete, if I'm not much mistaken.
Same here. My hearing loss was caused by damage to my temporal lobe paired with recurrent ear infections, which means that it was two-part. The ear infections caused damage to my tympanic membrane, located in the middle ear, which created mild conductive hearing loss. The temporal lobe damage caused temporal lobe epilepsy, as well as difficulty processing auditory input and memories. As a result, many of my memories are vague or jumbled following the head trauma (for years following, I should note) due to not being properly "filed" (or attached to other information in a useful way). I also found it difficult, even when I could hear what someone was saying, to process what exactly they had said -- a very frustrating experience. I began to rely on other input. At the time, I didn't know what synaesthesia was, and I was terrified that I was perhaps insane, or damaged beyond repair.
Do send me a link if you think that I would be interested. |
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