[FruitLoop]

The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which unskilled individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly rating their ability much higher than average. This bias is attributed to a metacognitive inability of the unskilled to recognize their mistakes.[1]
Actual competence may weaken self-confidence, as competent individuals may falsely assume that others have an equivalent understanding. As Kruger and Dunning conclude, "the miscalibration of the incompetent stems from an error about the self, whereas the miscalibration of the highly competent stems from an error about others"


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Thoughts?

[illustral]

Seems accurate.

[EdR]

I had never before encountered the Dunning–Kruger effect until your post. That inspired a little research and the results were fascinating.

Thank you. I'm going to look into the Dunning–Kruger effect a bit more.

[childofprodigy]

It's a cognitive bias that does not necessarily always hold...

Yes some incompetents may falsely assume they're superior but that does not imply that thinking you're superior means you're incompetent as many people who cite that effect try to assert

It's possible that after considering all possible measurement of performance, you indeed objectively do have higher performance than your peers and therefore start developing a justified superiority complex....

[Fecal McAngry]

Yet ah! why should they know their fate?
Since sorrow never comes too late,
And happiness too swiftly flies.
Thought would destroy their paradise.
No more; where ignorance is bliss,
'Tis folly to be wise.

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[Tahiti]

Honestly, it's really hard to diagnose it properly. I see it clearly in multi-player online games but elsewhere it could be anything...

It's binary 1 and 0. You either ARE more skillful or you aren't. Measuring accurately is the problem.

[psykhe]

	Originally Posted by FruitLoop To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Thoughts?

Bloated ego et al.?

[thod]

Everyone seems to think they are a good car driver. At least better than average.

[curiousgeorge01]

Yea I find many people think superiority in one area spills over to other areas. That is def not the case. Read this for humor:


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	Originally Posted by thod To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Everyone seems to think they are a good car driver. At least better than average.

Nah I think I'm an average driver. The only people I consider above average drivers are those who do it for a living, stunt drivers, race car drivers, truck drivers etc. Because they have to do tricks with vehicles us normal people don't. I would think that develops your spatial ability with vehicles.

[drswitchoff]

I think people either see what they want to see or what they fear. I don't think you need a diagnosis to see how this would influence the development of skills.

[Polymath20]

This is why I seek objective evidence of my abilities.

[curiousgeorge01]

Yea but some people bias their objective audience lol.

[Polymath20]

	Originally Posted by curiousgeorge01 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Yea but some people bias their objective audience lol.

I meant things like playing chess. The winner is quite objective.

[psykhe]

	Originally Posted by thod To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Everyone seems to think they are a good car driver. At least better than average.

Nah, there are those who think they can't even drive a car.

	Originally Posted by Polymath20 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I meant things like playing chess. The winner is quite objective.

Objectivity is "perfected" when there's a measurement.

[Polymath20]

	Originally Posted by psykhe To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Objectivity is "perfected" when there's a measurement.

Exactly. If I can't beat you, then you are objectively better at chess than myself. There can be no argument.

[Hydro]

The "Dunning-Krueger effect" is the holy grail to explain weired incidences in larger organizations! It explains everything!

After I have discovered that study some years ago one of my management colleagues and I suddenly had the answers for everything we couldn't explain so far. It was as if somebody had turned on a floodlight in a dark room. BRILLIANT!

[curiousgeorge01]

	Originally Posted by Polymath20 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I meant things like playing chess. The winner is quite objective.

I meant bias as in purposely picking worse than you. So you say I won 10/10 matches but they were all with little kids. I've known some people to do something similar.

[LadySpock]

Thanks for sharing this info.

I think that many people over-estimate their abilities, attractiveness, etc... The truth is that most of us are "average" but you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who would admit it.

[drswitchoff]

	The truth is that most of us are "average"

I used to think so but we are the elite. Think about the deep third world countries or Chinese factories full of billions of underprivileged workers. Maybe we were born average but...

[Polymath20]

	Originally Posted by curiousgeorge01 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I meant bias as in purposely picking worse than you. So you say I won 10/10 matches but they were all with little kids. I've known some people to do something similar.

That's why there's an ELO rating system. If you routinely beat people that are worse than you, your score only goes up a little bit, and then eventually not at all. If you challenge people at your own level or higher, then your rank will really move up, assuming you win.

	Originally Posted by drswitchoff To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I used to think so but we are the elite. Think about the deep third world countries or Chinese factories full of billions of underprivileged workers. Maybe we were born average but...

If you keep it to industrialized, first world nations... but yes, globally speaking we are not only "superior" but also privileged.

[CrudeHypothesis]

Yes, I'm familiar with the Dunning-Kruger effect. Before I learned of it, I used to come across as really smart but completely incomprehensible, and then I'd beat myself up about it.

[roninpro]

I've heard of this before - I think that it is entirely true. I think an old saying goes along the lines of "the more you learn, the less you know". This basically means that gaining knowledge and experience eventually causes you to realize how little you know about the world (in any of its aspects). I've definitely felt that way about my science education: we've made great strides over the years, but the questions keep getting deeper, complex, and more numerous. On the other hand, I can see how somebody who understands nothing about the world (again, in any of its aspects) could have the false impression of knowing everything. (I think that Neil deGrase Tyson said on several occasions that being scientifically literate changes your perspective dramatically.)


I'd also like to point out that there is an opposite phenomenon: the "Impostor syndrome", where accomplished people actually fail or refuse to recognize their skills. It might be relevant.


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[FruitLoop]

I must say it was a bit of a double-take for me. A reminder that we're not so smart as we think sometimes, unless of course we are. I mean, it's all very good being a space cadet with a loud and abrasive opinion, but I need to actually do things properly as well.
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[Still Standing]

While this may not apply to high levels of incompetency, people who engage more readily and more often in self-deception about their skills and about their lives in general tend to be (a) happier, (b) less depressed, and (c) more successful in a variety of endeavors (including athletics and business) than people who engage in less self-deception. Some days I envy these people, though I figure that reality bites harder for them when it does.

[ppu6502]

The best part of this is how the replies are posters using this effect to explain why -other- people think they are better, but aren't. So they've just added one more layer of bullshit reasoning as to why they're awesome.