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**Tahiti** · 04-29-2012, 11:00 PM

I'm not sure what gets more brownie points, arrogance or inability to reason sufficiently.

At least incorporate the potential of choice.

The 2 possible conditions a situation can be boiled down to:

A) chained reasons beforehand --> The pregnant female wants the baby --> chained reasons afterwards

e.g.

This would mean that choosing before seeding an egg is of high priority, however it may not be known intuitively in the conscious mind. It might have not of been communicated in any other way as well.

B) chained reasons beforehand -->The pregnant female doesn't want the baby--> chained reasons afterwards

The agent's lucky day (assuming he didn't want a child either). This is where responsibility becomes irrelevant.

The problem lies within the first condition. Reasons including:

Welfare advantages (free money from tax payers)
Wanting a baby in general (dna winning over mind)
Sadistic revenge (unfortunate events)
Locking in a relationship due to the law (being forced to pay child support and to raise a child)

There are an infinite number of reasons as to what could lead to condition 1/A.

Ultimately, it boils down to whether deceit is morally valid.

If one thinks that 50/50 responsibility isn't actual reality then they could argue:

Is it morally right to sneak a foetus developing contraception in the vagina/body if you were deceived?

etc...

Pretty cool thread though.

**ppu6502** · 04-29-2012, 11:05 PM

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	I have a bullet

Did you sell the bullet?

**AnotherAvatar** · 04-29-2012, 11:34 PM

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	So the dumb fuck pathetic hypocrisy goes unexplained. Oh, well.

It's been explained, you just don't like what it adds up to.

**nowt** · 04-30-2012, 09:20 AM

What was the explanation that removed dumb fuck pathetic hypocrisy?

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	<snip retarded lie>

**StoltenStolten** · 04-30-2012, 09:26 AM

Look, Nowt. I sympathize with your predicament, but your rights are inferior to her rights on this. And there's no compromise.

Make the best of it. It is not the end of the world.

**nowt** · 04-30-2012, 09:28 AM

And it may also be fully known that murder will be committed, and no murder is committed--

Another lucky day.

	Originally Posted by GeniusPr0 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	The agent's lucky day (assuming he didn't want a child either). This is where responsibility becomes irrelevant.

**Tahiti** · 04-30-2012, 09:33 AM

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	And it may also be fully known that murder will be committed, and no murder is committed-- Another lucky day.

That doesn't make any sense.

**nowt** · 04-30-2012, 09:35 AM

Oh? You said to incorporate the potential for choice, no?--

Now they [the two scenarios] are equal again--

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	That doesn't make any sense.

Not that they weren't, but now you understand.

**AnotherAvatar** · 04-30-2012, 09:37 AM

Nowt - You remind of the guy that can't be talked to. So like a broken record you keep saying 'well I should be able to rob the bank, you know, because you haven't explained it well enough to MY SATISFACTION that I can't.' In the end, you just don't want to take accountability for your actions.

All that is technically required is that you understand the consequences of your actions...acknowledge them or don't...gravity still pushes down...and dumb people have been going to their graves for eons protesting to the end their heads about to be chopped off because they didn't 'get it' either.

**Tahiti** · 04-30-2012, 09:40 AM

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	Oh? You said to incorporate the potential for choice, no? Now they're equal again.

For pregnancy yes. It's obviously more complicated than your gun situation.

Again, you don't get brownies for being a smartass.

Can you give me a single reason as to why you think killing a civilian is equal to unwanted childbirth?

There is no actual grey area, it's all black and white pieces between more distinct black and white situations.

**vampyroteuthis** · 04-30-2012, 09:42 AM

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	accountability

To whom?

**nowt** · 04-30-2012, 09:43 AM

Guess you missed that gaping dumb fuck pathetic hypocrisy.

Originally Posted by nowt
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Which now makes "
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can stick it [the birth] to [the] guy [in this scenario, that's me] for 18 years" literally true, but sadly, makes "
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to choose to have the baby or not, and yes [she's] the primary [caregiver] for the baby, as much as [she's] trying to pawn off [her] mothering duties on to [me]" and "
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wanting all the the choice and basically trying to get the guys to pay for their choice, [whichever] way the wind blows that day" just that much more hypocritically pathetic--

Care yet to explain away this dumb fuck pathetic hypocrisy?

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	<snip even more non-explanation of dumb fuck pathetic hypocrisy>

	Originally Posted by GeniusPr0 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	For pregnancy yes. It's obviously more complicated than your gun situation. Again, you don't get brownies for being a smartass. Can you give me a single reason as to why you think killing a civilian is equal to unwanted childbirth? There is no actual grey area, it's all black and white pieces between more distinct black and white situations.

Obviously. Tho the one difference you brought up, wasn't really. So sorry--

Does Seroquel cause or cure gas?

**Tahiti** · 04-30-2012, 09:49 AM

	Originally Posted by nowt To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Guess you missed that gaping dumb fuck pathetic hypocrisy. Care yet to explain away this dumb fuck pathetic hypocrisy? Obviously. Does Seroquel cause or cure gas?

Not impressed. Although, it's not likely that I would be...

You'll be okay
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.

*pats you on the head*

**nowt** · 04-30-2012, 09:50 AM

Oh. Good.

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	<snip fart>

**Tahiti** · 04-30-2012, 09:55 AM

You might as well rename this thread to The Ethics Paradox. To assume the same ethics in another one.

That is of course because you believe you're so correct. How is all that dopamine in your head doing?

**nowt** · 04-30-2012, 10:03 AM

The thread will carry the title given. Thanks for your concern.

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	<snip a slightly more substantial fart>

**Tahiti** · 04-30-2012, 10:06 AM

You know what! You're SOOOOO RIGHT. I've like never, like, thought of it like that. The seller and the male are so like totally like not responsible. You should like run for presidency! Think of all the totally awesome ideas you could present to the world! I'd like soooo vote.

**nowt** · 04-30-2012, 10:10 AM

Whatever you say. And said, so well.

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	<snip a fart violently projected>

**StoltenStolten** · 04-30-2012, 10:14 AM

She is pregnant and you are going to be a father.
No amount of arguing over the ethics involved will change that.

Accept it. Make the best of it.

hi5yourface · 04-30-2012, 10:17 AM

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	You know what! You're SOOOOO RIGHT. I've like never, like, thought of it like that. The seller and the male are so like totally like not responsible. You should like run for presidency! Think of all the totally awesome ideas you could present to the world! I'd like soooo vote.

The seller of the golden baby batter shot is the male, GAH

**Tahiti** · 04-30-2012, 10:18 AM

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	The seller of the golden baby batter shot is the male, GAH

LMfaoooo

EQUALITY! equal rights!!! 2012!!

**nowt** · 04-30-2012, 10:20 AM

You OK? Perhaps you'd care to explain AnotherAvatar's hypocrisy.

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	<snip squealing fart>

**Tahiti** · 04-30-2012, 10:21 AM

	Originally Posted by nowt To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	You OK? Perhaps you'd care to explain AnotherAvatard's hypocrisy.

I'd rather you explain why you think a car is equal to a can of coke.

**nowt** · 04-30-2012, 10:22 AM

Or why you think equating a car to a can of Coke is equal to equating murder to birth; gun to womb; bullet to sperm?--

Seroquel farts.

	Originally Posted by GeniusPr0 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	<snip seroquel fart>

**Tahiti** · 04-30-2012, 10:25 AM

	Originally Posted by nowt To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Or why you think equating a car to a can of Coke is equal to equating murder to birth?-- Seroquel farts.

If everything was as easy as you make it seem then we'd have a Eutopia.

04-29-2012, 11:00 PM	#51
Tahiti Veteran Member [59%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,369	I'm not sure what gets more brownie points, arrogance or inability to reason sufficiently. At least incorporate the potential of choice. The 2 possible conditions a situation can be boiled down to: A) chained reasons beforehand --> The pregnant female wants the baby --> chained reasons afterwards e.g. This would mean that choosing before seeding an egg is of high priority, however it may not be known intuitively in the conscious mind. It might have not of been communicated in any other way as well. B) chained reasons beforehand -->The pregnant female doesn't want the baby--> chained reasons afterwards The agent's lucky day (assuming he didn't want a child either). This is where responsibility becomes irrelevant. The problem lies within the first condition. Reasons including: Welfare advantages (free money from tax payers) Wanting a baby in general (dna winning over mind) Sadistic revenge (unfortunate events) Locking in a relationship due to the law (being forced to pay child support and to raise a child) There are an infinite number of reasons as to what could lead to condition 1/A. Ultimately, it boils down to whether deceit is morally valid. If one thinks that 50/50 responsibility isn't actual reality then they could argue: Is it morally right to sneak a foetus developing contraception in the vagina/body if you were deceived? etc... Pretty cool thread though.
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04-30-2012, 09:26 AM	#55
StoltenStolten Member [05%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 211	Look, Nowt. I sympathize with your predicament, but your rights are inferior to her rights on this. And there's no compromise. Make the best of it. It is not the end of the world.
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04-30-2012, 09:37 AM	#59
AnotherAvatar Banned MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 462	Nowt - You remind of the guy that can't be talked to. So like a broken record you keep saying 'well I should be able to rob the bank, you know, because you haven't explained it well enough to MY SATISFACTION that I can't.' In the end, you just don't want to take accountability for your actions. All that is technically required is that you understand the consequences of your actions...acknowledge them or don't...gravity still pushes down...and dumb people have been going to their graves for eons protesting to the end their heads about to be chopped off because they didn't 'get it' either.
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04-30-2012, 09:55 AM	#65
Tahiti Veteran Member [59%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,369	You might as well rename this thread to The Ethics Paradox. To assume the same ethics in another one. That is of course because you believe you're so correct. How is all that dopamine in your head doing?
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04-30-2012, 10:06 AM	#67
Tahiti Veteran Member [59%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,369	You know what! You're SOOOOO RIGHT. I've like never, like, thought of it like that. The seller and the male are so like totally like not responsible. You should like run for presidency! Think of all the totally awesome ideas you could present to the world! I'd like soooo vote.
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04-30-2012, 10:14 AM	#69
StoltenStolten Member [05%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 211	She is pregnant and you are going to be a father. No amount of arguing over the ethics involved will change that. Accept it. Make the best of it.
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