[totoro]

Ages are not published here but I am beginning to think that the majority of those posting here are higher on the overfocussed intellectual analysis than the life experience scale? This is not a bad thing - been there - but I do worry that you are worrying and analyzing TOO MUCH.

The good news is that a lot of these issues will resolve with time. You will meet someone and have a relationship if you want to. Here are some basic steps that worked for me and others I know:

1. Work on your own internal happiness. Spend time on self-improvement - it works. It is not an airy-fairy thing.
2. Identify what you really want in a partner and write it down.
3. Seek it - put yourself out there. Be willing to take rejection because anyone who rejects you, for whatever reason, IS NOT THE RIGHT ONE for you.
4. If, for whatever reason, it does not feel right - GET OUT - don't try to make something work that has troubles from the start.

As far as the best men being taken, that is just silly. With a 50% divorce rate people good men come back on the market all the time. In addition, there are lots of good fellows that are not as social and have a harder time meeting women.

[Josh19]

I want a woman who is intellectually curious, and by spending time with her is a source of enjoyment, and inspiration if that makes sense. But most women who are attractive, and intelligent have more options than me, and are not interested.

[missdell]

dumb men want dumb women

smart secure men can appreciate a smart women

smart women dont want dumb men, and we come nicely full circle

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i wouldnt call a women who finds it so impossible to find a man intelligent.

She may be intelligent in one form, but she has not learnt the art of realistically appreciating a man without fantasy. To not judge so harshly, and expect perfection. That is almighty wisdom. She is not looking for the right things in the right places and is blinded by the stubborness of her apparent intelligence to keep her from finding it and blaming bad men.

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	Originally Posted by Feral To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Only dumb or insecure men want dumb women. They can have 'em!

hear hear!

men wanting dumb women need a women who doesnt make them feel bad about themselves, because they clearly havnt worked on loving who they are and their anxiety.

Many men have messed up childhoods that cause them to need to feel like thie big man when they grow up to feel worthy, they're so blind and arrogant and false that they will only raise their own children in the same toxic way theyre parents raised them, and carry on the insecure man with mousey wife complex.

Pathetic, dumb women please take all the dumb men everywhere so I can find my goody!

[curiousgeorge01]

Originally Posted by missdell To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

dumb men want dumb women smart secure men can appreciate a smart women smart women dont want dumb men, and we come nicely full circle ---------- Post added 04-12-2012 at 09:11 PM ---------- i wouldnt call a women who finds it so impossible to find a man intelligent. She may be intelligent in one form, but she has not learnt the art of realistically appreciating a man without fantasy. To not judge so harshly, and expect perfection. That is almighty wisdom. She is not looking for the right things in the right places and is blinded by the stubborness of her apparent intelligence to keep her from finding it and blaming bad men. ---------- Post added 04-12-2012 at 09:17 PM ---------- hear hear! men wanting dumb women need a women who doesnt make them feel bad about themselves, because they clearly havnt worked on loving who they are and their anxiety. Many men have messed up childhoods that cause them to need to feel like thie big man when they grow up to feel worthy, they're so blind and arrogant and false that they will only raise their own children in the same toxic way theyre parents raised them, and carry on the insecure man with mousey wife complex. Pathetic, dumb women please take all the dumb men everywhere so I can find my goody!

I don't think that's necessarily true. I notice that high achieving men want SIMPLE women but not necessarily dumb women. And that makes sense b/c if the guy is busy all the time, all he wants to do is come home to a house that's nice, tidy and has no arguments. I would make the same argument with high achieving women, but I've noticed where I'm from that women have a harder time letting go of the idea of having a man to "look up to"; this is difficult if you're already a high achiever.

High achieving women tend to like to argue more and say they want high achieving men but I find that often high achieving women seem to prefer simple men as well.

[Pingo]

This article is offensive. How are they even measuring intelligence? They mention IQ but it seems like they are determining intelligence based on the person's occupation. Last time I checked, a person's job does not determine their IQ.

[Haumea]

	Last time I checked, a person's job does not determine their IQ.

I don't think a person's job determines their IQ, but outside of edge cases (probably weird lopsidedness, or extreme social engineering) most professions have practical IQ thresholds. There are not many, if any, physicians, lawyers or engineers with a double digit IQ in the West. You sound almost offended by the very idea that certain professions are more cognitively demanding than others.

[FarmlandTension]

	Originally Posted by Haumea To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I don't think a person's job determines their IQ, but outside of edge cases (probably weird lopsidedness, or extreme social engineering) most professions have practical IQ thresholds. There are not many, if any, physicians, lawyers or engineers with a double digit IQ in the West. You sound almost offended by the very idea that certain professions are more cognitively demanding than others.

I would say the problem lies more at the other end of the spectrum. Sure, some fields will have a general minimum IQ or intelligence level needed, but that doesn't mean there's a maximum IQ for other jobs. If someone is a doctor, the chances are high that they're quite intelligent, but someone doesn't have to be stupid to have a lower job. You could be intelligent and still have a hard time getting an important job, or have been too poor to go through third level education and get into a highly respected profession, or be using a job to raise money to pay for your education, or just choose to pursue something that isn't seen as a job that requires intelligence because you want to and/or are passionate about it.

[sircockburn]

uh, no. This article content seems to better capture stereotypical femininity as the attractor rather than a lack of intelligence.

Kindergarten teachers --> kids! babies! nurturing! teats!
Waitresses --> will make you a sammich!

And the article itself even admitted the perks of those occupations, in terms of flexible schedules, etc.

And perhaps, since male hormones tend to predispose someone to score higher on assessments measuring all that western society seems to define as intelligence (whereas stuff that females tend to score higher on are ignored), men seek out the most womanish women out there.

If IQ tests measured aptitude in areas that estrogen and shit proved advantageous in, then the article would be about how men preferred more intelligent women.

#blahblahblahthismaymakenosensebutwhatever (does this make me sexy now?)

[Dougler]

I'm no brainiac, but I have only met one girl who I believe was on a similar level with me intelligence-wise in my first year of university, and I was crazy about her...of course she'll never know that and I'll probably never see her again

[Frosted]

I've read about this kind of stuff. I think most men like to feel superior or have more control over a woman and this is easier when she's dumb. I'm sure I'm gonna look like I'm fluffing myself up by saying this, but I am attracted to smart women, and women that are smarter than myself really turn me on, as long as they don't act like they know everything. I despise dumb women just as much as I despise dumb men.

[Cooper]

I would shoot myself in the head if I was with a "dumb" woman.

[Tahiti]

Hell no. I'd literally cut 10 years off my life to be with someone more intelligent.

[Ghostwheel]

	Originally Posted by Cooper To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I would shoot myself in the head if I was with a "dumb" woman.

I would smash my kneecaps with a hammer, cut of my own nose, set my junk on fire with matches and paint thinner, and then shoot myself in the head if I was with a "dumb" woman.

[JulietCapulet]

A confident person will not be threatened by an intelligent partner.

[Nightmare]

	Originally Posted by JulietCapulet To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	A confident person will not be threatened by an intelligent partner.

Indeed. I am not threatened, but rather aroused at the prospect.

[AnotherAvatar]

The guys going for the easy score go for the dumb chicks that can be more easily manoeuvred into the sack...these type of guys shoot deer from the side of the road rather then climb Everest or do something with some skill..

That said, having gone out with all sorts...it's not about IQ but compatibility.

[scorpiomover]

I'm not fussed about intelligence. I've met quite a few people who I had great conversations with, who had barely any qualifications, and some told me they couldn't even count. As long as the conversation is interesting, it's all good.

[davai]

	Originally Posted by scorpiomover To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I'm not fussed about intelligence. I've met quite a few people who I had great conversations with, who had barely any qualifications, and some told me they couldn't even count. As long as the conversation is interesting, it's all good.

This does show intelligence though. Standard measures like you've mentioned are limited, much like AA's mention of IQ above you. I'd be just as impressed with a chick who could show me a thing or two at go karts than I would with a high IQ. Probably moreso actually.

[Koarla]

I dislike posting in long threads since most things have been said.

Spontaneoisly, the logic seems flawed/short sighted in the article which was refeered to in the OP. Statistically, i guess it means that "smart"(what did they mean by that, anyway?) women should have lower reproductive success? Is there data supporting this? And a problem that follows - a women focusing on a challenging carrer probably remain more mentally fit due to stimulation.

If i assume this is a question about innate sexual preference and reproductive interest, why would an animal (woman) become less interested in reproducing because its focusing on being resourceful? (intellicence, resourcefullness and reproductive success usually correlate positively) And even though it contradicts the original article, it seems to make just as much sense for a man to prefer a resourceful woman?

And again, if both intelligent and unintelligent men prefer lesser intelligent women because they are likely to stay around the kids, it follows that smart women have fewer alternatives for sexual partners. And an individual with fewer alternatives for partners seems more likely to remain in the relation it already are in. Contradictory.

I havent read many of the posts, and i assume this has already been stated..:-P

[Outlaw]

I like an educated woman, who can hold her own in a conversation. I see today, and people my age, which are not INTJ's or even know what they are, dumb people in general want dumb people. They want to feel normal. Young men in my case want that free, young, "loose" type of girl that is free and open to anything. Same thing with the young women, though i think they go for the older mature types. I have noticed in my days of school, that all the girls wanted a "good man" or a "mature man" yet kept picking young arrogant boys. It's the same all around. They want to feel normal, so they pick what they can get. The risk takers are the ones who go for the accomplished women, successful women. I like both, but like i said, an educated woman.

[Typhon]

Are we equating intelligence with education for this thread?

[Haumea]

	The guys going for the easy score go for the dumb chicks that can be more easily manoeuvred into the sack

Some of the sluttiest women I have known in my life were MENSA material. It was literally shooting fish in a barrel. The reason it was so easy was because they were just as competitive with other women as dumb women, so even the slightest attention from other women in their presence made them very attracted. Attraction 101.

IQ doesn't matter. This whole notion that only dumb women fall for that stuff is a comforting myth. Assuming a woman is sexually healthy...no, just no.

[SeverusSin]

For me intelligence plays but one part of the criteria for a potential SO, its about as required as mutual attraction. That said, she doesn't need to be smarter or dumber than me, it depends on the person and their form of intelligence and whether I can grasp their way of thinking and whether they are compatible with mine.

I've stay away from glaring stereotypes of certain "types" of women being mutually exclusive (kindergarten teachers / waitresses being "dumb" is utter nonsense). My mother for example; has taught at all levels of education, has done a PhD and a Masters in different fields and highly intellectual but is also a great cook and has all the "wife" house training. I personally can have the deeply intellectual conversations with many different people and do not require my SO specifically to embody the exact intellectual traits that I do in terms of analysis, but we do need to be able to communicate without compromising on terminology or delivery, for example.

I tend to be more picky with friends about intellectual capabilities because our interactions are more binary and limited to shared interests. Whereas a potential SO is there to share all parts of my life, including the non-intellectual parts, thus more of a balance is required. There are many times where an analytical mind is the opposite of what I need from an SO.

[Haumea]

Let me settle this in the most insightful manner that I can.

One wants a woman intelligent enough so that one need not dumb oneself down in her presence. Equal intelligence is absolutely unnecessary, even detrimental to the harmony of the relationship. You can go down a standard deviation easily, assuming all other factors are congenial.

[sevans]

I don't want a dumb woman, then again I don't need a genius either. What I look for is women who do interesting things and think in interesting ways. I'd much rather have a girl who has gone rock climbing, skiing, or hiking as part of some exotic experience so that I could tell them my stories of insane shit that I've done and things that have happened.

Right now the people that I tell things like, "yeah my buddy and I got accidentally stuck in Canada once and ended up having our car searched by border patrol after 4 hours of being lost while using the worst gps known to man. " always end up saying we were idiots to get stuck in Canada. I thought it was pretty hilarious and makes for a great story, only a certain type can appreciate things the way my friends and I do, and that is what I want. It has little to do with intelligence actually, more to do with interesting life experience.