[INTJRyan]

	Originally Posted by curiousgeorge01 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Hey, sometimes you have to take a risk to get ahead in life. I would rather leave that bill up to the people rather stay in some unknown grey area.

What Aronnax said, plus fundamental liberties, such as the ability to choose a marriage partner, should never be up for vote.

[larkin]

	Originally Posted by themuzicman To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	The Democrat party is the party of victims and the politicians who exploit them. They pander to the victim status of various groups, and pledge to right the "injustices" and blame republicans for being mean oppressors who just want everyone to die. And that apparently appeals to the LBGT community.

You want to know why the LGBT community doesn't vote Republican? This statement is a pretty good example. It's a party that simultaneously call us victims and while handwaving away all the ways they actively seek to deny us civil rights, if not stating that our
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be banned outright. This shit
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(And for anyone who says that's just Michelle Bachmann, not the party itself, Barney Frank had it right - this is a party where half of the people are just like her and the other half is terrified they'll be voted out of office in favor of someone like her. I don't have to be a Democrat to want to run as far fucking away from this as possible.)

[Savagelight]

Originally Posted by Autumnleaf To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Why do so many gay and feminist people gravitate to the Democratic party? It seems like they would both tend to be relatively high wage earners with few tax deductions, assuming less or no children relative to the traditional family where the guy is the breadwinner and the mother stays home with the children. Wouldn't the traditional Republican party with its low taxes stance be more appealing to them? 'But Autumn, the religious right is just unbearable to associate with so we must be Democrat.'... What makes you think the Republicans take the religious right seriously? Several times in the past 20 or so years they have held two of the three branches of government at which time they could have easily made abortion illegal. Time after time they did not do that. That tells me Republicans don't really care about the religious right beyond trying to get their vote. From my perspective both parties are corrupt and bad for America so its not like I'm wearing an elephant pin. Please explain what you think the allure of the Democrat party is.

Because social conservatives suck. The Republican party would get votes if they weren't socially conservative.

For instance if the Republican party were truly the party of big business people who are doing well would be inclined to vote Republican when doing well and Democrat when not doing as well and this would probably cause the Republicans to win the vast majority of elections.

The reason for the pathetic failure of the Republican party is they let social conservatives take them over. They want to ban gay marriage, outlaw abortion, and stand their ground against blacks, but then expect somehow to win them over on economic issues.

People aren't going to vote for a party that threatens their existence as a person or that has people like Sarah Palin in it who don't respect large portions of American voters who aren't "real" Americans, or who have loud people within it who don't believe Obama is really an American, or people in it who hate Islam to the point of using it as a smear against the President and against outsiders.

The Republican party is currently represented by racists, sexists, fundamentalists, anti-science Alex Jones watching Glenn Beck loving gun owning conspiracy theorists.

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	Originally Posted by Shoshana To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	because the democratic party has typically been, in the past 100 years or so, the progressive, open-minded party that fights on behalf of the underdog. I think there's a small contingent of conservative gays, called Lincoln Republicans....but really, what has the GOP done to proactively attract gays and feminists? You have to send out an RSVP if you want people to come to your party, no?

The social conservatives have destroyed the Republican party along with the curmudgeon fools who think they know whats best for everyone.

If Republicans want a party they need to stop being anti and start focusing on economics. They can win if they weren't fighting for pro life abortion clinic bombing terrorist types.

[themuzicman]

Originally Posted by larkin To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

You want to know why the LGBT community doesn't vote Republican? This statement is a pretty good example. It's a party that simultaneously call us victims and while handwaving away all the ways they actively seek to deny us civil rights, if not stating that our To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. be banned outright. This shit To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. . (And for anyone who says that's just Michelle Bachmann, not the party itself, Barney Frank had it right - this is a party where half of the people are just like her and the other half is terrified they'll be voted out of office in favor of someone like her. I don't have to be a Democrat to want to run as far fucking away from this as possible.)

Thank you for being an excellent example of what I was talking about.

[Savagelight]

	Originally Posted by INTroJect To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Who is shilling for Republicans? Even they are moaning about the moaning about the reformations taking place, as they see it as un-republican. Fuck them. They can go join their twin sisters over in the Democrat party.

Why haven't Republicans offered a federal bill at the house level to legalize gay marriage nationally? What about at the state level? Why aren't Republicans passing dumb bills like stand your ground and voting to ban gay marriage?

Explain why Republicans support such idiotic laws at the state level? They won't even decriminalize marijuana even though they keep talking like they want to. People don't support Republicans because Republicans for the last 10 years seem to only pass bills which take freedom away and reduce quality of life.

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A Republican homosexual is like a Jewish Nazi. Then they lose their support from all the evangelical hatemongers and ignorant red-neck homophobes. The Republicunt party has fed off of hate and bigotry ever since the introduction of the Southern Strategy and they show no signs of stopping anytime soon. They will all ways appeal to the lowest common denominator just like the Democraps appeal to liberals to stupid to understand that there is no liberal party in the US.

Exactly how I feel.

[vampyroteuthis]

	Originally Posted by themuzicman To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Thank you for being an excellent example of what I was talking about.

Condescension with smarm and continued marginalization is exactly why queer people should vote Republican. Because where else are we going to get that?

[Savagelight]

	Originally Posted by themuzicman To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	The Democrat party is the party of victims and the politicians who exploit them. They pander to the victim status of various groups, and pledge to right the "injustices" and blame republicans for being mean oppressors who just want everyone to die. And that apparently appeals to the LBGT community.

And you expect the party of predators to win voters to that side by calling the other side the prey/victims?

Your rhetoric makes me want to vote for Obama.

[Integer]

Originally Posted by INTroJect To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Ooo. Goody-goody, I get to make a blanket statement!! Any gay homosexual who is not currently ditching the Democrat party to make an immediate rush over to the Republican party, is a dippity doo dumbass. Democrats make good talk, and put up some good theatrics, as far as supporting gay rights, and obviously some people are convinced by it, but none of this even comes close to comparing with the current reformations for equality going on in the Republican party. The movement for the restoration of freedom makes for the gay issues to be a non-issue, who needs gay marriage sanction, when we no longer need to get government-approved marriage licenses? This is a personal aggreement between two people and not the government's business to decide who can marry and who can not.

	Originally Posted by themuzicman To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	The Democrat party is the party of victims and the politicians who exploit them. They pander to the victim status of various groups, and pledge to right the "injustices" and blame republicans for being mean oppressors who just want everyone to die. And that apparently appeals to the LBGT community.

Your inner-Limbaugh is showing guys.

[INTJRyan]

	Originally Posted by Integer To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Your inner-Limbaugh is showing guys.

How dare you, sir. Those two gentleman have unassailable rugged independent bona-fides beyond reproach. It's just coincidence they continually agitate for GOP causes, because that would tarnish their independent status. In the future, do some soul-searching before slandering such paragons of virtue, please.

[Arcanist]

	Originally Posted by vampyroteuthis To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Condescension with smarm and continued marginalization

It's the "Christian" way.

[curiousgeorge01]

	Originally Posted by Aronnax To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	There is no "unknown grey area". If there isn't a law prohibiting something it's legal.

	Originally Posted by INTJRyan To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	What Aronnax said, plus fundamental liberties, such as the ability to choose a marriage partner, should never be up for vote.

Yes there is a grey area, the area known as "whether or not people will vote to give us full gay rights."

Ummm, isn't that up for vote by state legislatures as well as our federal legislatures?

[larkin]

	Originally Posted by themuzicman To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Thank you for being an excellent example of what I was talking about.

You can't imagine why opposing gay marriage, and in fact often advocating for the criminalization of the very behavior that defines an essential part of who we are, would be considered objectionable to a gay person? I guess that's the same total lack of comprehension that causes you to dismiss the people that do consider it objectionable, without irony, as simply playing the victim card.

[Arcanist]

It's not a part of who you are. It's just a silly personal choice. At worst, demonic possession. Just embrace jaysus and you will be healed.

[Integer]

	Originally Posted by INTJRyan To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	How dare you, sir. Those two gentleman have unassailable rugged independent bona-fides beyond reproach. It's just coincidence they continually agitate for GOP causes, because that would tarnish their independent status. In the future, do some soul-searching before slandering such paragons of virtue, please.

I've checked with my soul and it told me that they both are talk radio aficionados and one is a devotee of the lovely Ayn Rand...then it sang me some Al Green.

[INTroJect]

	Originally Posted by paleoeco To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Oh yeah, because the Republican Party has been so helpful in integerating the armed forced and stopping a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage and supporting marriage equality in the states and helping get sexual orientation included in hate crimes and helping include sexual orientation in non-discrimination laws and policies. Oh yeah, the Democrats are second best for sure.

Yeah. The Democrats are fine a long a you are willing to sell out for a few civil rights doggie treats every once in a while. The rhetoric from the Democrat party sounds convincing, but its its ok for those who are more interested in imposing the gay agenda upon the rest of the country.

	You're presenting a bullshit argument. You want to tell gays how great we'll have it if we dump the ONLY party that has done anything positive for us for the party that actively works against us, so we can bolster the libertarian wing of that party in the hopes it's enough to break the stranglehold of the Evangelical wing.

Like the evangelicals have any pull? Put down yesterdecade's newspaper.

	If you want gays to vote Republican, give them a Republican platform that doesn't work against their interests. Asking us to join so we can hopefully get that platform isn't enough, especially when there's an alternative, that, while not perfect, is leaps and bounds better and more amenable to having a platform inclusive and respectful.

Hello. Im right here. Gays already are voting republican, the democrats are doing all the work with losing the gay base with all of the bullshitting as far as doing anything substantial for the gay community.

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	Originally Posted by Integer To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Your inner-Limbaugh is showing guys.

Like I give a shit what Limbaugh uas to say?

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Originally Posted by Savagelight To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Why haven't Republicans offered a federal bill at the house level to legalize gay marriage nationally? What about at the state level? Why aren't Republicans passing dumb bills like stand your ground and voting to ban gay marriage? Explain why Republicans support such idiotic laws at the state level? They won't even decriminalize marijuana even though they keep talking like they want to. People don't support Republicans because Republicans for the last 10 years seem to only pass bills which take freedom away and reduce quality of life.

Ha. Thats just plain funny. Like the Democrats give a shit about freedom. Last time I checked they extended the patriot act, amongst many othe freedom diminishing bills. Maybe there is a democrat here in there who wants to decriminalize marijuana, in quite a queer way of doing it with the "Lets legalize it, and regulate it and then we can tax it for revenue!" Whereas, the growing Republican base wants to get government's grubby fingers out of the drug war business completely.

[Dru]

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Why do so many gay and feminist people gravitate to the Democratic party? It seems like they would both tend to be relatively high wage earners with few tax deductions, assuming less or no children relative to the traditional family where the guy is the breadwinner and the mother stays home with the children. Wouldn't the traditional Republican party with its low taxes stance be more appealing to them? 'But Autumn, the religious right is just unbearable to associate with so we must be Democrat.'... What makes you think the Republicans take the religious right seriously? Several times in the past 20 or so years they have held two of the three branches of government at which time they could have easily made abortion illegal. Time after time they did not do that. That tells me Republicans don't really care about the religious right beyond trying to get their vote. From my perspective both parties are corrupt and bad for America so its not like I'm wearing an elephant pin. Please explain what you think the allure of the Democrat party is.

on the same token, why are there so many closet-homosexual republicans?

i fucking wonder.

[CrudeHypothesis]

I was about to wonder why there are so many polysexual politicians in the first place, but then I remembered that politicians love fucking EVERYBODY.

[INTJRyan]

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. I just don't get how every gay person isn't donating to the GOP; they're just so open and inclusive.

[Autumnleaf]

	Originally Posted by INTJRyan To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. . I just don't get how every gay person isn't donating to the GOP; they're just so open and inclusive.

From your link:

"In a statement obtained by Right Turn, Grenell says:

I have decided to resign from the Romney campaign as the Foreign Policy and National Security Spokesman. While I welcomed the challenge to confront President Obama’s foreign policy failures and weak leadership on the world stage, my ability to speak clearly and forcefully on the issues has been greatly diminished by the hyper-partisan discussion of personal issues that sometimes comes from a presidential campaign. I want to thank Governor Romney for his belief in me and my abilities and his clear message to me that being openly gay was a non-issue for him and his team."

Someone either got it all wrong or Grenell is a liar. Which is it?

[eagleseven]

I have no doubt that Romney supports LGBT rights, given his history in MA...but Grenell took heavy flak from the religious right (proud sinner) and the gay left (traitor). I don't blame him for wanting to avoid that shit-storm.

[larkin]

	Originally Posted by Autumnleaf To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Someone either got it all wrong or Grenell is a liar. Which is it?

It's irrelevant what Romney personally thinks. What's relevant is he let his personal opinion be dictated to him by the religious right. A dynamic that shows no sign of slowing down for the campaign, by the way - he'll be nothing less than their total prison bitch.

	Originally Posted by eagleseven To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I have no doubt that Romney supports LGBT rights, given his history in MA...but Grenell took heavy flak from the religious right (proud sinner) and the gay left (traitor). I don't blame him for wanting to avoid that shit-storm.

Sorry, but only one of those groups got him fired.

[colonelburger]

You yanks crack me up.

[eagleseven]

	Originally Posted by larkin To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	It's irrelevant what Romney personally thinks. What's relevant is he let his personal opinion be dictated to him by the religious right.

Romney threw a friend under the bus for political expediency. Remember when Obama disowned the man who baptized his kids and officiated his wedding, Reverend Wright?


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I really don't think you want to go there.

	Originally Posted by larkin To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Sorry, but only one of those groups got him fired.

Irony isn't your strong suit. He's been savagely attacked by leftists in this very thread, no different from the mud slung from the religious right.

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	Originally Posted by colonelburger To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	You yanks crack me up.

Remember, it was our civil war that killed the most Americans, in which we lost 2% of the population in four years. Fighting eachother is a national pastime.

[larkin]

	Originally Posted by eagleseven To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Romney threw a friend under the bus for political expediency. Remember when Obama disowned the man who baptized his kids and officiated his wedding, Reverend Wright? [...] I really don't think you want to go there.

I really could give a shit about Obama, so feel free. But the situations aren't comparable. Obama disavowed the things that Wright actually said for being too extreme. Romney fired a man for being gay at the request of extremists. It doesn't matter if it were a matter of political expediency (yes, they were both probably expedient) or deeply held belief; it's a suitable preview of exactly what to expect from them both in office.

	Originally Posted by eagleseven To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Irony isn't your strong suit. He's been savagely attacked by leftists in this very thread, no different from the mud slung from the religious right.

Grenell has been savagely attacked by "leftists" on this thread? Perhaps you'll be kind enough to point out where. But either way, again - criticisms of Grenell from the left are rooted in objections to policy. From the right they're rooted in objections to, you know, gayness. You can't tell the difference (as in the false equivalency with Wright), or want to live in denial about it? Good luck with your great friends the Republicans.

[Daoist]

	Originally Posted by INTroJect To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Like I give a shit what Limbaugh uas to say?

I have yet to meet someone who will admit that they do give a shit...yet he gets those millions of listeners from somewhere.