[Storm]

	Originally Posted by StoltenStolten To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Yet, the answer I was looking for is neither. I wonder what women feel that makes them so defensive about their gender. The cause of that feeling, though relevant, is already agreed upon.

I don't think you get it. Do you think that black people being offended at the public use of the N word is some kind of irrationally emotional, defensive quality that black people? Or that it's a result of the word and attitude around it being used for centuries as a way to dismiss and oppress them?

[curiousgeorge01]

Originally Posted by TheObserver To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Notice the word causes in my post. Correlation is not the same as causation. Your last source does a pretty good job of exploring the idea that testosterone is the reason men commit more crimes. According to your last source, testosterone goes down when men get married. Does the idea that testosterone is the cause of the crime gap between men and women make sense if it changes based on circumstance? Their testosterone goes back up when they get divorced and go back into the dating pool. How about that. It also goes up when they see someone they want to have sex with. Why gee george it is really hard to follow this. It's almost as if people are not governed by hormones rather the hormones are governed by people's brains and respond to their wants/desires. I guess we should just ignore that. That would be absurd.

What are you saying? Seems to be a lot of words but no real point.

[StoltenStolten]

	Originally Posted by Storm To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I don't think you get it. Do you think that black people being offended at the public use of the N word is some kind of irrationally emotional, defensive quality that black people? Or that it's a result of the word and attitude around it being used for centuries as a way to dismiss and oppress them?

I guess I dont get it. Please enlighten me.

[Storm]

Women are more offended than men at people expressing sexist opinions - such as seen above - than men because such attitudes have been used to oppress them. When you see people saying "men are pigs" - it's an entirely different context. It's done laughingly, and there's no threat that men are going to have less career opportunities, less rights, and such due to these things.

Not that I even agree with your assessment. You can always find people taking things personally in any situation.

[StoltenStolten]

Originally Posted by Storm To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Women are more offended than men at people expressing sexist opinions - such as seen above - than men because such attitudes have been used to oppress them. When you see people saying "men are pigs" - it's an entirely different context. It's done laughingly, and there's no threat that men are going to have less career opportunities, less rights, and such due to these things. Not that I even agree with your assessment. You can always find people taking things personally in any situation.

Okay. I get that.

But that's not all. I know it is not.

Please share.

[mieu]

I don't see why men don't take exception to being called pigs when the pejorative is sincere--many do. Perhaps women are apt to stand up for themselves because they know that sexist attitudes can have a very real impact on their life and relationships with others. Men should be just as wary of this form of marginalization, maybe they're not because it doesn't affect their lives, I can think of a few instances where it does. A lot of this type of rhetoric typically flies under the radar because of social conditioning, wherein one or neither party realizes just how perverse and damaging a particular line of thinking is.

But yeah, 'when is a joke a joke?', and all that.

Perhaps the term you're looking for is 'hypervigilant?' Subconscious hypervigilance? I think that everyone has certain things that set them off (including just plain stubbornness).

[ischuldt]

I believe that women do not poop. That's a big difference.

[JulietCapulet]

There are differences between every single organism on earth. Within and between genders.

[SwedenF]

	Originally Posted by Frosted To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I'm sure a lot of people here might hate me for saying this but i really believe women, on average (there are exceptions of course), have a poor mechanical aptitude. They seem not to have a feel for things of a physical nature and really aren't good drivers.

For reals. I find physics really... just wrong. It doesn't come off logical to me. I wouldn't say this affects my ability to park (got no problems with it, never have) or anyone elses for that matter, but it does strike me as though women in general tend to have a harder time comprehending physics. And note, I am not saying this is a fact, I am saying it's the observation I make. I just find it intriguing.

	Originally Posted by StoltenStolten To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Women dont seem to take it as lightly. Somehow, women often seem to take criticism against their gender much more personally, if she herself was on trial there.

I know you don't really want that answer, but I think people have a point in saying it has to do with these people feeling it's a very real threat. It's hard to take jokingly what is a real threat in your eyes. And, I don't think this has to do with BEING woman or BEING black (because let's face it, racist discussions can be absurdities sparked by nothing at all) but rather with people in general. They seem to have such a hard time separating themselves from a debate, and take everything on a personal level. It's probably just more visible with women/racist-debates, because they are more frequently provoked. If you think about it, you can quite easily get this same thing from most men by somehow hinting you are saying they have a small penis.

Again, just my thoughts. But then again I am a woman who does not take offense at such things. I find it all very amusing. I'll never forget when the ex accidentally spurted out a "Hush woman!" and thought I'd eat him alive for being sexist. It was hilarious, and total waste of worry.

[SeverusSin]

	Originally Posted by JulietCapulet To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	There are differences between every single organism on earth. Within and between genders.

I think the differences between human male and human female are about as important biologically, sociologically and in reality as much as the differences between any animal's male and female members. It is what it is, there will be differences, some are more prominent others less so.

[Fevered Dreams]

	Originally Posted by curiousgeorge01 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Yes but that wouldn't be consistent with biology namely men being physically stronger to go with the better spatial ability. Why would you need thicker, stronger bodies to throw food? Unless they were all throwing watermelons and kept hitting each other. I'm being sarcastic, I really don't know why.

I know we're talking about humans, but let's speak about other mammals for a bit.
Female cats and lionesses do the main hunting. Actually, lions sometimes steal her catch after she's done hunting! Even if males are stronger, apparently lions would rather let that strength go to waste, let the lioness do all the work, then steal her catch. Damn!

Also, where I come from women are super strong, they are a lot thicker than their husbands. Really, I'm thinking of the men I knew who did physical labor, and they were all scrawny looking. Muscular, but very scrawny. Not beefy like body builders.
Women nowadays seem very frail, afraid to break their neatly manicured nails. My mom's generation washed clothes and blankets on a stream/river. If you've ever seen it, you've noticed that it's very difficult work that requires lots of strength! I'm getting dizzy just thinking about it! And yes, that means they carried the wet laundry back home. Ouch. And that's just an example of their daily difficult life.


My mom now is a tiny old lady, yet she can still pick me up and I struggle to get off. Wow. They don't make women like that anymore.

Obviously women do need more body fat than men to be sure they can carry a pregnancy, but that doesn't mean there aren't muscles underneath the fat, and that those muscles aren't strong.

But anyway... just sharing that for fun :-) So I'll move on.
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On topic, I think there are differences between women an men, obviously, and I wish that people would stop expecting women to be like men, or men to be like women. For example, even though nowadays men can care for children, it makes sense (biologically) that women care for their children. Babies need to breastfeed so frequently, so they should stay close to mom.
Women have different needs than men, yet because of fear of being "different than men" (as if different means inferior!), we (USA) don't seem to take women's needs into account. We're expected to be like men, yet, on top of that, be a woman as well. Jeez.

	I'm sure a lot of people here might hate me for saying this but i really believe women, on average (there are exceptions of course), have a poor mechanical aptitude. They seem not to have a feel for things of a physical nature

So does that mean women are bad at sports too? Chopping vegetables with a super sharp knife at a very fast pace without cutting their fingers off? How about women who balance really heavy baskets on their heads, without touching with their hands?

When I was a teenager, I used to run through dense woods really fast. I used to hang from the roof (two-story house) and use my hands to go to the other side of the house. Climbed really tall trees, hanged/jumped from branches, and ran/jumped from various objects in nature, like fallen tree trunk to tree trunk. Everyday I ran across loose stones on the stream, to get to the other side (it was faster than going to the bridge). Think "rural parkour".

I guess my mechanical aptitude was quite alright, then? The other girls seemed to do okay too.

And if you are moving that argument from mechanical to "spacial intelligence", or some other reason why women aren't good at math and science, check out the book "Unlocking the Clubhouse: Women in Computing". You might find it quite interesting.