[nath]

I'm really confused.

I've done those tests several times and always the same: INTJ!
But really... I think I'm different, cause I DO have feelings.
I feel everything, people hurt me or make me happy easily... I'm sensitive, yet I'm also very rational!
I love science and everything that an INTJ is supposed to like, except that I have lots of feelings too, but I'm also very logical.
I have feelings, I'm VERY emotional, but I never let my feelings go out, I just never express them, but they are intense. lol


and i'm not skeptical... I believe some occult related things.

Anyone can clear it up for me?
thanks.

[Atamagahen]

An MBTI profile shouldn't be looked at as a direct definition of someone. Two INTJs can be pretty different from each other, think of it like a rough guide to one's traits. I myself can be very emotional as well. Granted, I do have a mood disorder.
After all, these were made by humans and thus it has its flaws. The human mind is far from being fully understood.

[Scrotus]

Myersbriggs is a rough categorization of personality trends, and how they typically play out. The mere fact that you display other "traits" should be enough for you to realize that myers briggs has its own pitfalls. All humans seem to be capable of all the functions, it just requires some effort getting there. Consider yourself lucky that you haven't lost touch with your emotions to the point that you call them "irrational" like some members do.

What occult stuff do you believe in? And if you don't mind, what is your reasoning for believing whatever particulars you choose to share? I'm legitimately curious O_O.

[Korzybski]

As others have said, this is more a failure of myers-brigg than a misunderstanding. I'm in the same boat, i'd say my closest match is INTJ but my personality is incredibly diverse and shares similarities with other MB types.

[nath]

Hello.

With occult, I mean that I believe in God, but I don't like to be away from scientific views.
This is so hard to explain, because... I've never meet someone that thinks like me.
But I'm gonna try to describe it all for you.
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First, my motherlanguage is not english, so don't care if you find some incorrect grammars. lol

About me:
Ok, so I think that "To think" is not opposite to "to feel". For me, I feel because I think, I can't imagine me feeling without thinking. If I don't think about something, then I don't feel this thing. I'm too rational but also too emotional. I perceive everything that surrounds me, I'm very observative, I can feel subtle thing that most part of people can't feel. I'm extremely sensitive. And I love many people/things, I just don't know how to express it. I know that in truth I'm a warm person, but who sees me from the outside think I'm cold, because the only thing I let go is my intellectual knowledge. People hurt me easily, because they think I wouldn't feel, but I do feel, and I think that I feel too much more than I should feel.

About occult stuff:
You can't blame me about it lol. As I said I have rational mind, i'm brilliant studant, I love science, but I do think our universe has a spiritual side. It's hard to explain. What I like on occult is the alchemistic view that we are here to transcend our mind, "to transmute our Pb soul into Au soul", It doesn't matter anyway, I only said it to show that although I like science, spirituality is also important in my life.

thanks

[Persona]

Infj. Next?


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	Originally Posted by nath To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I've never meet someone that thinks like me. For me, I feel because I think, I can't imagine me feeling without thinking. If I don't think about something, then I don't feel this thing. I'm too rational but also too emotional.

[Laura C]

:3 I'm an INTJ, I think and I feel and yes, I like occult stuff too. Does it feel like sometimes your thoughts and emotions clash, battling each other out and fighting for control? Because, heck, I'm an INTJ, why am I so darn sensitive to what others say?

If yes, stop right there. Like
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already mentioned, MBTI description doesn't cover everything. No one person will fit 100% into these descriptions so don't force yourself to try and fit into the description.

:3 It's perfectly okay to have emotions. I'm NOT going to explain why one has emotions - I don't think I can do a proper job of it. But I probably can share how I've gone past that logic vs. emotions battle.

Take time to listen to your emotions, they are there for a reason. Process them and hear them out - write out everything even if it sounds illogical. Don't feel the need to do something about them - be it get rid of them or find closure. No suppressing them because it will just come back with vengeance. Then let go and come back and use logic to find the real cause of these emotions and weigh if there is a need to do something about these emotions. If yes, determine the most effective way. If not, just let go. <-- Short version. Let me know if you need the long version.

About people hurting your feelings, if you don't know how to address them. I guess, just say something like: Ouch, that hurts! or Wow, I think my feelings just got hurt. Something along those lines, after a while, they will realize that you have feelings and try to be mindful of what they say to you. Of course, if you're a guy (it doesn't say in your profile), that may not sound good - so might need to find another way to express the same things.

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Do I sound like an INFJ? lol!
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[nath]

I'm girl lol.

Infj, yeah, but in this case i'd say that i think a lot to be an Infj.

hahahah

[Arguendo]

A misconception about INFJs is that they are not intellects.

Anyways, what percentage of "F" are you? You might be a borderline T/F.

[Laura C]

	Originally Posted by nath To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I'm girl lol. Infj, yeah, but in this case i'd say that i think a lot to be an Infj. hahahah

Lol! Then the expression I shared would work, just follow it up with laughter. After all, girls are, according to stereotypes, supposed to be a bit sensitive, right? I love to play with stereotypes sometimes. It works for us in the most surprising ways when we least expect it.
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[SAAj]

Keep in mind that your MB type is only a foundation; it is the 'nature', whereas your upbringing is the 'nurture'. This generally materializes as maturity levels and shadow functions. It seems that you're either working on mastering your tertiary function, introverted feeling, or that you're under a great deal of stress and are utilizing introverted sensing.

Either way, rest assured that you're not alone; emotional awareness is part of an INTJ's maturing process.

[Havoc313]

I fell into the same problem I am an INTJ but some of the traits didn't apply to me because my sensing side was developed and I discovered that I am also an ISTJ.
You should take a test that tell you your percentage of how far your feeling side is developed and your sensing.

[Persona]

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Yes, actually
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Being sensitive but logical about emotions and vice versa... playing games with people's expectations and social norms... Especially with the smilies and other 'decorations' - INTJs scorn facial expressions that aren't "
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In summary: Te/Fe is more about trying to be impartial vs. accommodating, or justice vs. mercy. Whereas Ni/Ti (the introverted functions of an INFJ) are a viciously potent combination for logical endeavours, including sorting out what means what to you.

	Originally Posted by SAAj To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Keep in mind that your MB type is only a foundation; it is the 'nature', whereas your upbringing is the 'nurture'.

This is unfounded. No research on MBTI has confirmed the theory that type is consistent throughout one's life.

[dydx]

It's human to be emotional, and people express it in different ways. Reason and rationality helps put emotion in check from doing the wrong things, and making bad decisions. So you'll be just fine.

As others have said, these classifications are generalizations. They're not absolute buckets for categorizing yourself into.


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[PersianBlue]

I've taken the test a few times and I score equally between INTJ/ISTJ/INFJ. It's not perfect. I do share a lot of characteristics with INTJ's, but I can also see how I'm classified as an ISTJ and an INFJ. My past has also shaped who I am (and has lumped me with many things, including abandonment issues, which cause me to be more irrational and 'feely' than I would like) so really, the MBTI is just a rough guideline. It doesn't tell you who you are.

[manbearpig0]

Ur an intj.
Maybe with an almost higher F.
But you sound like an INTJ.
yes, intj's have feelings too and dont like rejection. we jus act like we dont care.

[Forte]

Originally Posted by nath To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I'm really confused. I've done those tests several times and always the same: INTJ! But really... I think I'm different, cause I DO have feelings. I feel everything, people hurt me or make me happy easily... I'm sensitive, yet I'm also very rational! I love science and everything that an INTJ is supposed to like, except that I have lots of feelings too, but I'm also very logical. I have feelings, I'm VERY emotional, but I never let my feelings go out, I just never express them, but they are intense. lol and i'm not skeptical... I believe some occult related things. Anyone can clear it up for me? thanks.

We are not emotionless. We do experience emotions like everyone else. But Logic for us is a "filter" before emotion. This acts as a control for emotion. First we think, and then we consider our emotions in the light of logic. You are INTJ and unique. Embrace being different and the most logical in the earth, except for me, since I'm a 'mastermind INTJ,' lol.

[Owfin]

What F is, is just evalutating things on values like good/bad, nice/ugly, etc. It definitely isn't out of the ordinary for even an F dominant type to not be very "emotional".

[Corvusalba]

Hi I am INTJ and like many of you I have feelings (emotions) I don't do rejection very well.

The way I resolve this in my mind is to go back to Jung's T/F dichotomy as the rational functions.
I tend to view feeling as being associated to objects and people. Thinking as disassociated and organizes the objects/people.

If feeling is directed out (Fe) it wants to be close to the object/person. If directed internally (Fi) then its more interested in the subjective value attached to the object/person.

Fi is the 3rd function for an INTJ.

As an INTJ I have emotions I just keep them more to myself.

Hope this helps.

[SAAj]

	Originally Posted by Persona To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	This is unfounded. No research on MBTI has confirmed the theory that type is consistent throughout one's life.

By research, do you mean case studies? Until we get much, much better at collecting and analyzing data from the brain, we don't have any real empirical research for or against MBTI. The theory itself holds that your MB type is your foundation (nature-side), and that your environment can alter it via your maturity level and shadow functions (nurture-side). I have heard of subtype theories, but never a theory about types changing throughout a person's life. I might be wrong, but I'm not sure what such a theory would prove that Occam's Razor wouldn't designate to the standard theory of maturity/stress progression.

[Persona]

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By research, do you mean case studies? Until we get much, much better at collecting and analyzing data from the brain, we don't have any real empirical research for or against MBTI. The theory itself holds that your MB type is your foundation (nature-side), and that your environment can alter it via your maturity level and shadow functions (nurture-side). I have heard of subtype theories, but never a theory about types changing throughout a person's life. I might be wrong, but I'm not sure what such a theory would prove that Occam's Razor wouldn't designate to the standard theory of maturity/stress progression.

If there isn't any data, then why do we have a theory at all?

Research shows that test-retest reliability for the MBTI instrument goes down over time. That means people are more likely to come up as a different type the longer it is between two tests. This is directly at odds with the theory that type is constant.

What do you mean by "standard theory of maturity/stress progression"?

[Laura C]

Hurhurhur! <-- Borrowing from Scrotus.

Now, you people are speaking my language - ancient civilizations are interesting! Contemplating getting a degree in Archaeology after I finish my postgrad in Marketing. Why did the ancient civilizations build their structures that way? Sorry this is hijacking but seriously how did all those folktales and myths come about? Also the numerology and tarots. Like what? How did they come about that certain traits are expressed by certain numbers? Did they perform some focus group, experiments, observations, etc? Etc, etc, etc. My brain is tickled! :3

[SAAj]

	Originally Posted by Persona To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	If there isn't any data, then why do we have a theory at all? Research shows that test-retest reliability for the MBTI instrument goes down over time. That means people are more likely to come up as a different type the longer it is between two tests. This is directly at odds with the theory that type is constant. What do you mean by "standard theory of maturity/stress progression"?

The data is in the form of case studies, not empirical data. The research relies very heavily on a person's understanding of him/herself, which will obviously vary greatly.

The problem with the research you're citing is that it doesn't account for the fact that as people get older, they become more well-rounded. A 12-year-old INTJ will probably have no problem picking Thinking over Feeling, because he/she is still relatively undeveloped and has not mastered the tertiary INTJ function, Introverted Feeling. A 50-year-old INTJ, who has had a lot more time and experience, may have a harder time picking between the two, since he/she is likely comfortable with both thinking and feeling due to an overall higher maturity level. The older people get, the more overall functions they master, and the harder it gets for them to easily distinguish initial strengths and weaknesses. The maturity/stress levels explain this much more accurately, and in line with the core theory; the idea that types change throughout one's life neither fits the theory nor explains this tendency satisfactorily when compared to the maturity/stress system.

The maturity/stress system is standard MBTI; it states that each type has a Dominant, Auxiliary, Tertiary, and Inferior function, which are mastered with maturity, as well as 4 levels of stress that trigger Shadow Functions that the type only resorts to when necessary. What this means is that the more mature the subject is, and the more stress he/she is under, the less accurate a simple MB test will be. It will seem like their type is changing, when in reality, they are simply accumulating maturity and/or stress.

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	Yes, alchemy of the soul is hidden and censored in our culture since Catholic Istitution was created and people were made to think that Jesus was always divine and perfect and that he is something out of us and the only thing we need to be saved is to have faith and idolatre him and believe he is something separated from us.

Buddha was likewise deified against his will, but that has nothing to do with the objective truth. The state of being you're talking about is scientific; the term for it in psychology is Self-Actualization.

[bolter1]

Don't worry, I believe that the explanation just means that we don't express our emotions so we appear emotionless. I have some very extreme emotions myself they are just not really seen, except anger.

[Paul Siraisi]

I've known some F'ish INTJs. It happens.