[Ricardo Diaz]

Originally Posted by Beric To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I have to love the innate bias of this thread. It starts with the assumption that population growth is bad. Population growth is how an economy grows. It's near impossible to have economic growth without population increase. Seeing as the Earth isn't even close to carrying capacity, I see no cause for concern. And particularly with our already overloaded entitlement systems, how do people expect to pay for them when there are no children? I also love how only "certain" people should procreate. Who is to say that wealth, IQ, a stable job, or location at all make someone a better or more qualified parent? Haven't some of our greatest entrepreneurs risen from the very depths of poverty, after being abandoned by their parents? And aren't education and knowledge the solution to anyone's starting position? I see an awful lot of short-sightedness in this thread. Oh, and I plan to have at least 4 kids. I'm the oldest of 6 myself, and most definitely don't see them as evil.

Those entrepreneurs are the exception not the norm. 99% of the poor leech off the wealthy and they drag the entire civilization down due to their not being up to the mark (not just financially). The earth is already beyond capacity because people live together in crowded cities not spread out across the land. It is time to start killing off the weak and the poor, and space exploration is still thought of as something far out or flakey when it should be the most important thing on the agenda if a free pass on reproduction is to be sustained or even be made beneficial.

[Sethis]

Originally Posted by Ricardo Diaz To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Those entrepreneurs are the exception not the norm. 99% of the poor leech off the wealthy and they drag the entire civilization down due to their not being up to the mark (not just financially). The earth is already beyond capacity because people live together in crowded cities not spread out across the land. It is time to start killing off the weak and the poor, and space exploration is still thought of as something far out or flakey when it should be the most important thing on the agenda if a free pass on reproduction is to be sustained or even be made beneficial.

Or is it actually the other way around?

Sieg heil!

[2obvious]

	Originally Posted by Haumea To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	It is reasonable to link welfare benefits to reversible birth control (there's no conceivable moral right to unlimited procreation at taxpayer expense)

I'm with this guy. (In fact, I raised this idea 2 or 3 years ago in the forum.) If you accept welfare, then we put you on birth control. This would unfortunately sparks a civil rights field day...

Is it elitist descrimination against the poor? Not intentionally, but yes.

	Originally Posted by Vhanon To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Education is the key point.

Naive premise. We've had the pill since 1960. Condoms have been around considerably longer. Schools teach sex ed.

	Originally Posted by Beric To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Haven't some of our greatest entrepreneurs risen from the very depths of poverty, after being abandoned by their parents?

False premise. If we're alluding to Jobs: you're only as poor as your adopted parents. (If we're alluding to some tycoon of a bygone era that I don't know: the economy worked differently at the turn of the industrial revolution.)

[JC22]

The two major problems:

1. Who will decide who should/should not reproduce?
2. Are their decisions truly wise?