[JC22]

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	since I am an alpha female...

Well, who is it? Examples peoples, examples.


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[zibber]

You need to define the term before illustrations may be given.

[anticlimatic]

Alpha females rule their houses with iron fists...and force other women they associate with to adopt their menstrual cycles.

[Distance]

Janeway and Katherine Hepburn.

[PlungingHornets]

Angela Merkel?

[Nonsuch]

Lucy van Pelt

[CaelestisPeste]

Boudica, Elizabeth I, and Joan of Ark.
Fictional: Scarlett O'hara? Liz Lemon?

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	Janeway and Katherine Hepburn.

Star Trek? I agree.

[Tocsin]

Margaret Thatcher... but there's no way I would have voluntarily gotten in the sack with her!

[ppu6502]

Dagny Taggart

[cizzo]

Ru Paul.

[Tocsin]

Well, if were going for fictional characters...

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[Distance]

Oh...Yeah, to Ripley! She AWOG'ed the other alpha!
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[JulietCapulet]

For sure not me. I'm too emotional.

Maybe someone like Angelina Jolie.

[ppu6502]

^ Oprah is alpha, and she is extremely emotional

[changos]

Ree, she fought and ruled, faced real life challenges and adversity


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[themuzicman]

	Originally Posted by JC22 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Well, who is it? Examples peoples, examples. To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

IMHO, there's a difference between the alpha male and the alpha female in the human species because of the how the "pecking order" works in each gender. For the guys, the "alpha male" is the one who represents the highest form of whatever the greatest value is for a given group. Among athletes, he is generally the strongest or fastest or most capable, or at least the one who stakes the claim to it. On the chess team, he's the one seen as the best chess player.

However, women don't tend to seek to be the best, but rather seek to belong. Thus, women who are on either extreme for the values of the group are often ostracized, whether standing out on the good side (especially vocally so), and the bad side. So, on a girls' athletics team, a woman who stands out and talks about it (like an alpha male would) is often on the outside when it comes to the group. So is the woman who cannot perform up to par.

The "alpha female", then, is the one who stands out by representing the middle, and represents the expectations of the group for themselves. This is why coaching girls' teams is both easier the men's teams (in terms of coachability, women are constantly concerned with what the new "norm" is, and who will grasp it), and harder than men's teams (in that individuals don't want to stand out or progress too quickly in her peer group, such that the group kinda has to progress together, rather than individually).

This is based upon my observations in coaching both boys and girls teams for several years.

(Obviously there are women who do not care about standing in the group, and can progress without the "norm" coming with them, but they are not seen as the "alpha female" in the group, but rather a rogue who has no concern for the rest of the group.)

[Beric]

Originally Posted by themuzicman To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

IMHO, there's a difference between the alpha male and the alpha female in the human species because of the how the "pecking order" works in each gender. For the guys, the "alpha male" is the one who represents the highest form of whatever the greatest value is for a given group. Among athletes, he is generally the strongest or fastest or most capable, or at least the one who stakes the claim to it. On the chess team, he's the one seen as the best chess player. However, women don't tend to seek to be the best, but rather seek to belong. Thus, women who are on either extreme for the values of the group are often ostracized, whether standing out on the good side (especially vocally so), and the bad side. So, on a girls' athletics team, a woman who stands out and talks about it (like an alpha male would) is often on the outside when it comes to the group. So is the woman who cannot perform up to par. The "alpha female", then, is the one who stands out by representing the middle, and represents the expectations of the group for themselves. This is why coaching girls' teams is both easier the men's teams (in terms of coachability, women are constantly concerned with what the new "norm" is, and who will grasp it), and harder than men's teams (in that individuals don't want to stand out or progress too quickly in her peer group, such that the group kinda has to progress together, rather than individually). This is based upon my observations in coaching both boys and girls teams for several years. (Obviously there are women who do not care about standing in the group, and can progress without the "norm" coming with them, but they are not seen as the "alpha female" in the group, but rather a rogue who has no concern for the rest of the group.)

Remarkable observant. I've had the opportunity to coach and lead boys' and girls' sports and game teams as well, and yes, the girls' teams are surely 10x easier. Outsiders will be ostracized by girls, where as an innovative deviant among boys who is successful will be admired, and even an unsuccessful boy's risk is admirable among boys. Again, this is speaking in generalities, among larger groups of girls and boys. Coaching girls is easy and relaxing, and makes for good conversation with them (girls often seem to be better conversationalists). Coaching boys is more difficult, but more funny and inspiring as well. I've tended to like coaching girls better, but partly because I'm a bit lazy.

And IMO this continues into the adult world, where successful entrepreneurs are male, as are the bottom of society, due to a propensity to be more independent. There are, after all, fewer female INTJ's.
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[Distance]

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Remarkable observant. I've had the opportunity to coach and lead boys' and girls' sports and game teams as well, and yes, the girls' teams are surely 10x easier. Outsiders will be ostracized by girls, where as an innovative deviant among boys who is successful will be admired, and even an unsuccessful boy's risk is admirable among boys. Again, this is speaking in generalities, among larger groups of girls and boys. Coaching girls is easy and relaxing, and makes for good conversation with them (girls often seem to be better conversationalists). Coaching boys is more difficult, but more funny and inspiring as well. I've tended to like coaching girls better, but partly because I'm a bit lazy. And IMO this continues into the adult world, where successful entrepreneurs are male, as are the bottom of society, due to a propensity to be more independent. There are, after all, fewer female INTJ's. To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Dis-AH-gree vehemently!

Firstly, judging people by the behaviours of children, is analogous to caterpillars representing the behaviours of butterflies. There's a reason there are multiple words to describe different stages in peoples' growth, then to maturation aka adulthood. Also consider the environmental impacts of forced closed environments like schools.

Next, there are successful women entreprenuers. They just don't posture or grab/utilise the media limelight, like men.

Lastly, take someone like Vamp. She's different but garners respect through her intellectual prowess. I'd dub her an alpha female and she's not an INTJ.

[momorawr]

1 vote sircockburn

[Cooper]

Not necessarily in this order...

1. Hillary Clinton
2. Jackie Kennedy
3. Ivanka Trump
4. Lady Gaga
5. Eleanor Roosevelt

[mastermind23]

	Dagny Taggart

<3

	Angela Merkel?

Seconded.

Hilary Clinton?

[Beric]

	Originally Posted by Distance To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Next, there are successful women entreprenuers. They just don't posture or grab/utilise the media limelight, like men.

I'm in an Entrepreneurship class, and in an Entrepreneurship club, and part of our Entrepreneurship forum. Yes, there are female entrepreneurs. However, there are just not as many as men. IMO this is simply because women are less likely to want to take risks. Even with women entrepreneurs, they're less likely to want take their business to bigger and larger.

I'm not saying this isn't due to society's pressures. But the media loves stories on female entrepreneurs, and yet just can't find as many of them. I'm trying to find the article I read specifically talking about the media's love for female entrepreneurs, but lacking in being able to find them, but I can't see to find it. But again, for whatever reason, there's an innate existence in society that scorns deviance in men less than that of women.

[Distance]

Originally Posted by Beric To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I'm in an Entrepreneurship class, and in an Entrepreneurship club, and part of our Entrepreneurship forum. Yes, there are female entrepreneurs. However, there are just not as many as men. IMO this is simply because women are less likely to want to take risks. Even with women entrepreneurs, they're less likely to want take their business to bigger and larger. I'm not saying this isn't due to society's pressures. But the media loves stories on female entrepreneurs, and yet just can't find as many of them. I'm trying to find the article I read specifically talking about the media's love for female entrepreneurs, but lacking in being able to find them, but I can't see to find it. But again, for whatever reason, there's an innate existence in society that scorns deviance in men less than that of women.

You're conflating risk-taking (
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) with alpha behaviour. Not necessarily, reliant on your subjective starting point. Risk taking can also blow up in your face a la global economic crisis style.

As far as the spirit of entrepreneurialship, bigger isn't always better. That's more a male attitude towards what's perceived as success/world domination.

[Subtle]

Sigourney Weaver?

[CaelestisPeste]

	Originally Posted by Cooper To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Not necessarily in this order... 1. Hillary Clinton 2. Jackie Kennedy 3. Ivanka Trump 4. Lady Gaga 5. Eleanor Roosevelt

Lady Gaga? How?