[idoj]

How do the pressures of Modern Society impact your nature?

There have been several times in my life that I’ve felt such strain, that I have completely withdrawn from everything; I could get to leave…

I’ve found that when I take on too much I can’t fix anything… I get panicked.

I obsess over the big picture and the details fall through the cracks.

Similar experiences, if so what methods do you use, to keep details dealt with, and keep realistic perspective of what is doable?

[Cooper]

Sticky notes.

[JC22]

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How do the pressures of Modern Society impact your nature? There have been several times in my life that I’ve felt such strain, that I have completely withdrawn from everything; I could get to leave… I’ve found that when I take on too much I can’t fix anything… I get panicked. I obsess over the big picture and the details fall through the cracks. Similar experiences, if so what methods do you use, to keep details dealt with, and keep realistic perspective of what is doable?

Take more off of your plate, and re-evaluate your goals. We aren't atomically powered.
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[spect]

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	I obsess over the big picture and the details fall through the cracks.

thats kinda interesting. because i thought when stressed, intj/p's often fall into the trap of obsessing over the smallest details to the expense of seeing the bigger picture... hunh.

[ctiquila]

Augh. When I'm stressed, the smallest details are what I focus on. I usually have to step back and reassess what I need to get done first. Either that or the ensuing maelstrom makes everyone around me run. Since this usually only happens with family, I've had to learn to plan ahead. So much more efficient.

[idoj]

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	Sticky notes.

I should own stock in post-its
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The details lead down the paths to all the things they affect and become impossible to manage.

Cleared plate today. Tossed it all. Starting over...

[Odie]

You have access to a computer, chances are your life isn't that bad. Consider reducing the complications in your life. Or should I bring out the pictures of Africans again? Real doozies.

I can't speak for the rest of the world, but my experience in America has been quite unpleasant. These people have all the resources in the world, but only the slightest hint of understanding. The individual is granted excessively large amounts of freedom and power without any real responsibility. The law requires only that they follow very light guidelines - issues beyond the understanding of animals, they don't touch. The whole thing annoys the piss out of me. Spend most of my day keeping the people around me from throwing shit at each other. Not because I give a flying fuck about the childish fools, but because some of that shit will invariably hit me.

[stealthfighter]

There's just too much to do that you don't want to do but you have to do.

[idoj]

Originally Posted by Odie To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

You have access to a computer; chances are your life isn't that bad. Consider reducing the complications in your life. Or should I bring out the pictures of Africans again? Real doozies. I can't speak for the rest of the world, but my experience in America has been quite unpleasant. These people have all the resources in the world, but only the slightest hint of understanding. The individual is granted excessively large amounts of freedom and power without any real responsibility. The law requires only that they follow very light guidelines - issues beyond the understanding of animals, they don't touch. The whole thing annoys the piss out of me. Spend most of my day keeping the people around me from throwing shit at each other. Not because I give a flying fuck about the childish fools, but because some of that shit will invariably hit me.

It's not that my life is bad. It's very comfortable.

I started a master's program where I thought I was going to be studying learning disabilities and how to help kids with LD function in a system that refuses to accept them. Unfortunately, I found that most people refuse to see that system as something that is malleable and can be changed. Instead, they advocate "appropriate' education, which isn't best, and a deficit based model! It was like being thrown back into high school! The classes were small. Every project was a group project with a presentation and I still hadn't gotten a handle on all of their acronyms. I miss the psychology department. Where you took small things and made them big ideas. The education department takes big ideas and boils them down into small poorly executed mandates that those implementing don't grasp, at all!

The pressure of having my work and writing count for several others' grades was more than I could take. It was no longer mine. How could I be honest and risk someone else's grade. I froze. I ran. Second attempt scheduled for spring...

Basically, I need to know… How do you so that which isn’t meaningful to you, anyway?
In order to get to that which is...

[Odie]

Ya, the education system is far from perfect. I once knew a young woman who worked in the, what's the word, caretaker? field. Lovely personality. In group projects, you simply don't do their work. I keep hearing people complain about this over and over, I don't get it. You don't do their work. You don't do their work. You don't do their work. Put your fair share in then leave it alone. If your teacher is hassling you about it, you go higher up the chain. Course that requires the ability to handle people, but it's the right course.

I'm assuming you just asked, "What do I want?"

As I see it, and I've spent quite a bit of time on the matter, it's quite simple. What's meaningful to people are the things required of keeping them fed, comfortable, and fucking. Everything else invariably stems from that. Test the theory out, track back every thought and habit, you'll find it all grounds out to one of those three things. Socialization for example falls into all three categories as other people are tremendously useful when cooperative. We'll take the example of someone obsessed with a seemingly meaningless thing, like unicorns, it makes them happy for whatever reason which is a form of comfort.

[Tactical Panda]

Sometimes I wish the eletricity would just shut down for an afternoon so people would take to the streets and talk to each other or just explore, free of modern pressures.

Which happens each time something goes wrong with the power line.

[PlungingHornets]

I idly threaten to become Amish.

[jonnyb]

	Originally Posted by idoj To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	How do the pressures of Modern Society impact your nature?

Adversely most of the time. I made and continue to make decisions on what is important to me personally. I try to base what I do on those 'values'. My value system also changes over time as some things become less important than others.

	There have been several times in my life that I’ve felt such strain, that I have completely withdrawn from everything; I could get to leave…

I have felt that strain numerous times but have been unable to withdraw myself from life for various reasons. I am in a position to mostly withdraw now and I sense that time approaching in the not so distant future.

	I’ve found that when I take on too much I can’t fix anything… I get panicked.

I usually want to do too many things. I get overwhelmed and the accompanying 'decision paralysis' sets in if I am not careful.

	I obsess over the big picture and the details fall through the cracks.

I obsess with big picture and details, both can easily fall through the cracks.

	Similar experiences, if so what methods do you use, to keep details dealt with, and keep realistic perspective of what is doable?

As for methods, currently I use pragmatism, compartmentalization, and selfishness.

I employ selfishness to deal only with the tasks that I want to. Things that will bring me satisfaction, growth, interest, curiosity, fulfillment, etc..... I avoid taking tasks that others would want me to do unless it specifically interests me. Granted, I cannot always treat occupational endeavors with the same value scale, but I do well to avoid additional tasks that don't appeal to me and actively volunteer for a few jobs that seem interesting and positively challenging.

I see the big picture and then compartmentalize the categories of details to a predetermined level and possible sequences. I seldom sub-compartmentalize past the second or third level.....depending on the project. This is akin to eat an elephant one bite at a time. It took me a lot of practice when I decided to employ the method, but it comes quite easy now. I utilized it while changing my timing belt recently.

I have a natural advanced use of pragmatism in determining effort vs reward. I ruthlessly employ the minimum effort/maximum return philosophy. If a task requires obscene amounts of my effort, I quickly determine how personally important the task is and act on it according. This is also the point in which I decide to undertake something myself or seek someone out who can perform the task for pay while I perform other tasks I find more doable. This is not related to laziness as much as it is to knowing my own abilities and shortcomings.

I also learned to recognize the beginnings of feeling overwhelmed and momentarily stop thinking about or doing what I am working on to re-center myself before proceeding. Brief meditation and/or Qigong breathing exercises work best for me lately. Furthermore, I am not afraid to challenge or say no when it comes to pressures to conform.

[MrFreakaficial]

I'm leaning more and more toward avoiding complicated things, and pursuing a simple existence by making the most of the (relatively fortunate) system I was born in without becoming too entangled in it.

[Thinker]

	Originally Posted by idoj To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Basically, I need to know… How do you so that which isn’t meaningful to you, anyway? In order to get to that which is...

Keep your eye on the long term.
If you need to compromise, look to compromising the short term over the longer term

[Yvoire]

Rebel.

[MotleyCruel]

Originally Posted by idoj To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

It's not that my life is bad. It's very comfortable. I started a master's program where I thought I was going to be studying learning disabilities and how to help kids with LD function in a system that refuses to accept them. Unfortunately, I found that most people refuse to see that system as something that is malleable and can be changed. Instead, they advocate "appropriate' education, which isn't best, and a deficit based model! It was like being thrown back into high school! The classes were small. Every project was a group project with a presentation and I still hadn't gotten a handle on all of their acronyms. I miss the psychology department. Where you took small things and made them big ideas. The education department takes big ideas and boils them down into small poorly executed mandates that those implementing don't grasp, at all! The pressure of having my work and writing count for several others' grades was more than I could take. It was no longer mine. How could I be honest and risk someone else's grade. I froze. I ran. Second attempt scheduled for spring... Basically, I need to know… How do you so that which isn’t meaningful to you, anyway? In order to get to that which is...

Mrs. Starwars Hair lady,
My first piece of advice is what I tell others that need to hear it. CALM THE HELL DOWN! Yep. That is step one.

2ndly, (this was mentioned above), but you must keep the long term in mind. The short term is just a set of occasionally annoying, occasionally interesting, occasionally droll steps toward that goal. At some point apparently (good choice in my opinion) you've decided that you must attain the a piece of paper permanently enshrining you within the real life master's league. Never loose sight of why you are there.

3rdly, much of academics is playing the game. You went you their school, enrolled in their department, and are being blathered at by a pack of old dudes and old chicks that learned their rock of knowledge decades ago. Most academics are very resistant to change within their own fields, because that may compromise their "realm of expertise" (which I find to be a laughable hypocrisy, seeing as how the majority of these people blindly cattle about, bellowing about change constantly and promoting the holy glory of the chosen one). To get what you want, you must play their game. So, show up, and play the game. Its not hard. Don't waste your ideas on unreceptive minds.

4th. If you breeze through this level of education, I recommend getting a PhD, where you are paid, encouraged, and congratulated for publishing original ideas. Yes... This might be right for you.

I am a 3rd year Operations Research PhD student about to enter dissertation phase, so I'm not just some crazy man stumbling in here to unleash a tirade of nonsense. (I think? I hope?)

[Polymath20]

	thats kinda interesting. because i thought when stressed, intj/p's often fall into the trap of obsessing over the smallest details to the expense of seeing the bigger picture... hunh.

It depends on what problem we are thinking about. If we are thinking about the big picture we drift WAY up into the clouds and have an existential meltdown. If we are thinking about something from a reductionist standpoint we continue to divide an issue down into atoms, and of course that's just far too many atoms to account for.

[Dreizehn]

I remember that most people in the world have it worse in many ways and buck up my ideas.

[greasemonkey]

I dont feel any pressure from modern society. I'm very aware that this is probably one of the easyest times in the history of the human race to live. And the western world is one of the easyest places to do it.

Flight tickets dont cost a fortune, just save a couple of pound, or dollars per day for a year, then book yourself a ticket somewhere like the phillipines, or india. Go live in a slum for a while, dont worry, their nice people, budget about two dollars a day for living expenses.

It'll help keep things in perspective.

[chaostheory]

It forces me to consider the value of my existence.

[Dung]

Pressure is ok. I'm loving it. I'll win.

[TheStranger]

The pressures don't impact your nature, they reveal it.

[Silverblitz]

The thing about pressure for me is that it nags that I want to do whatever I can to get rid of it but that leads to screw ups mostly. What I've learned is to apply my pressure on to it. I move at the pace that I can and make sure no one and nothing forces me to lose focus.

[fatkattykat]

I have noticed, especially within the last 10 years, how fast-paced everything is. I am already pretty high on the "J" and so I struggle with patience in wanting answers. Now, you can get instant everything.

Another thing that is sad is that while communication is easier, it is always on a superficial level. I rarely use the phone anymore...the only way to get a hold of someone is texting or Facebook. I really miss the days where I could call up a friend, and I know we could have a nice chat. Everyone is so busy busy busy because technology enables us to do more. As an INTJ who values efficiency, there are some awesome aspects to this, but at the same time, I like to feel like I have a connection with people every now and then.

I moved up to the DC area this past year, and the disconnection has been difficult. I must be the only person up here who does not have a smartphone lol. The family I have up here is not reliable, so I run into difficulties sometimes when I need people to watch my cats when I travel, or stuff like that.