Nietzsche

**Lightman** · 10-05-2011, 05:12 PM

A reader of Nietzsche will never achieve ubermenschhood.

Discuss.

**Tactical Panda** · 10-05-2011, 06:49 PM

*Builds a rocket*

**TheStranger** · 10-05-2011, 07:01 PM

You can only comprehend Nietzche if you look beyond good and evil.

**Firebrand** · 10-05-2011, 07:46 PM

lol You're not supposed to reach it. I'm continually amazed people don't get this.

**Tactical Panda** · 10-09-2011, 05:46 AM

Thus said Pandarathustra.

**peppersasen** · 10-09-2011, 06:31 AM

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	You can only comprehend Nietzche if you look beyond good and evil.

Or can't tell the difference between good and evil (including and especially the deluded).

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THE Joker made so much more sense in The Dark Knight:
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. Boy does Peppy love a realist...

**Tactical Panda** · 10-09-2011, 06:38 AM

Ubermunch.

The breakfast for the men of tomorrow.

(The official breakfast cereal of INTJs.)

**MONADANOM** · 10-09-2011, 07:14 AM

That which doesn't kill us weakens us for that which will.

**Equinox** · 10-09-2011, 10:36 AM

	Originally Posted by Firebrand9 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	lol You're not supposed to reach it. I'm continually amazed people don't get this.

^ The only person who gets it. I hate Nietzsche's views, but even more than that I hate people who misunderstand his views. The Ubermensch is what exists beyond and after humanity, so by definition no human will ever reach the status of Ubermensch.

**TheStranger** · 10-09-2011, 02:14 PM

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	Or can't tell the difference between good and evil (including and especially the deluded). ---------- Post added 10-09-2011 at 02:37 PM ---------- THE Joker made so much more sense in The Dark Knight: To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. . Boy does Peppy love a realist...

Yes, although I think looking beyond those two concepts one can then view "good and evil" with less prejudiced lenses and see the distinctions between the two become more fuliginous.

**peppersasen** · 10-10-2011, 08:59 AM

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	Yes, although I think looking beyond those two concepts one can then view "good and evil" with less prejudiced lenses and see the distinctions between the two become more fuliginous.

Interesting. I had this random thought while I was out getting my facial/wax today:

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When I say the "aware/alert", I'm referring to realistic folk...

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Realistic people who are able to see the gray world as is, that is...

**TheStranger** · 10-10-2011, 09:38 AM

I see what you're saying about delusional folk, in the sense that they wouldn't be able to comprehend distinctions between good and evil in specific situations if indeed they existed. However, going off of the foundation (the presumption) that there is no good and evil in a specific situation, or simply in general, it then becomes a hard thing to judge those that are delusional, as in judging them, in this particular sense. There are multiple paths to rightness, not all of them are truly justified.

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As in, the delusional can come to the same conceptual conclusions (in a vague way) for the wrong reasons. Comprehension and logic are tricky bedfellows.

**peppersasen** · 10-10-2011, 11:06 AM

The following tweet actually read: "The difference is that the sane see different shades of gray, while the insane see black as white and white as black. #MoralityMakesStupid"

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I'm liking my gray rainbow. I think Dude-Whose-Name-I-Can't-Pronounce liked it too...

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I think I'll just start calling it the gray rainbow of sanity and awareness from now on...

**TheStranger** · 10-10-2011, 12:19 PM

While I do agree that awareness can be a spark of sanity in itself, I'm not sure how representative it is of overall sanity, in the "emotional health of mind" sense. I suppsoe it depends on levels of awareness and sufficient coping mechanisms.

**Tactical Panda** · 10-11-2011, 12:31 AM

Good and bad as concepts are black and white. The management outside of a mere conceptual context, and the issue of certainty is less clear cut. Its like "life" and "death", the ideas are obviously a dichotomy even if the reality is that life involves decay and destruction and death involves an increase of living processes and organisms via decay. The concept and the reality are seperate and both have their place in careful management. To dimish the concept is to lose the yardstick that indicates direction and position, even if the concept is an unreachable ideal and superfically differs from person to person. It would be like doing away with numbers and a number system to abolish greed. Greed would exist, but merely without the rational authority of external checks and measurement. There would be no vocabulary or thought process available to rationally justify saying "something doesn't add up here."

Just a thought.

**Equinox** · 10-11-2011, 05:44 AM

I can't believe it's gone on this long and nobody got the joke the OP was trying to make.

**TheStranger** · 10-11-2011, 02:57 PM

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	I can't believe it's gone on this long and nobody got the joke the OP was trying to make.

I think some people did, although I don't think they really cared. I think the discussion has moved on to...whatever it is now. This is a thread bout Nietzche, it's bound to end up bizarre and "insane" much like Nietzche himself.

**Equinox** · 10-11-2011, 03:39 PM

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	This is a thread bout Nietzche, it's bound to end up bizarre and "insane" much like Nietzche himself.

"A little glass follows me around like a dog."

**TheStranger** · 10-11-2011, 03:41 PM

Yes, well, there have been many books that detail analysis on his writings, that comment on his propensity to seemingly contradict himself. Although I think Nietzche himself admitted it. Not that that's a bad thing.

**what yeah okay** · 10-12-2011, 10:26 PM

	Originally Posted by Equinox To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	^ The only person who gets it. I hate Nietzsche's views, but even more than that I hate people who misunderstand his views. The Ubermensch is what exists beyond and after humanity, so by definition no human will ever reach the status of Ubermensch.

I'm pretty sure Adam Jensen is the ubermensch, eh kills illumiantii and doesn't afraid of anything.

**Equinox** · 10-13-2011, 05:22 AM

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	I'm pretty sure Adam Jensen is the ubermensch, eh kills illumiantii and doesn't afraid of anything.

"so i herd u liek augmintationz"

Also, he's afraid of EMP until you get EMP protection.

Actually you might be on to something. The idea behind the ubermensch is that it will completely surpass and replace humanity, so if we're all cyborgs then I guess that's it.

**Bisclavret** · 10-17-2011, 01:51 PM

This could apply to genetically modified humans. A new breed of humans bioengineered to surpass us (Nietzche was talking about us after all).

Anyone here read Oryx and Crake by Margaret Atwood?

10-05-2011, 05:12 PM	#1
Lightman Member [11%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 456	A reader of Nietzsche will never achieve ubermenschhood. Discuss.
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10-05-2011, 06:49 PM	#2
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10-05-2011, 07:01 PM	#3
TheStranger Core Member [148%] MBTI: intp Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 5,943	You can only comprehend Nietzche if you look beyond good and evil.
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10-05-2011, 07:46 PM	#4
Firebrand Member [40%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,638	lol You're not supposed to reach it. I'm continually amazed people don't get this.
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10-09-2011, 05:46 AM	#5
Tactical Panda Core Member [133%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 5,328	Thus said Pandarathustra.
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10-09-2011, 06:38 AM	#7
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10-09-2011, 07:14 AM	#8
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10-10-2011, 09:38 AM	#12
TheStranger Core Member [148%] MBTI: intp Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 5,943	I see what you're saying about delusional folk, in the sense that they wouldn't be able to comprehend distinctions between good and evil in specific situations if indeed they existed. However, going off of the foundation (the presumption) that there is no good and evil in a specific situation, or simply in general, it then becomes a hard thing to judge those that are delusional, as in judging them, in this particular sense. There are multiple paths to rightness, not all of them are truly justified. ---------- Post added 10-10-2011 at 08:40 AM ---------- As in, the delusional can come to the same conceptual conclusions (in a vague way) for the wrong reasons. Comprehension and logic are tricky bedfellows.
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10-10-2011, 11:06 AM	#13
peppersasen Veteran Member [63%] MBTI: INxx Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 2,555	The following tweet actually read: "The difference is that the sane see different shades of gray, while the insane see black as white and white as black. #MoralityMakesStupid" ---------- Post added 10-10-2011 at 07:10 PM ---------- I'm liking my gray rainbow. I think Dude-Whose-Name-I-Can't-Pronounce liked it too... ---------- Post added 10-10-2011 at 07:29 PM ---------- I think I'll just start calling it the gray rainbow of sanity and awareness from now on...
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10-10-2011, 12:19 PM	#14
TheStranger Core Member [148%] MBTI: intp Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 5,943	While I do agree that awareness can be a spark of sanity in itself, I'm not sure how representative it is of overall sanity, in the "emotional health of mind" sense. I suppsoe it depends on levels of awareness and sufficient coping mechanisms.
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10-11-2011, 12:31 AM	#15
Tactical Panda Core Member [133%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 5,328	Good and bad as concepts are black and white. The management outside of a mere conceptual context, and the issue of certainty is less clear cut. Its like "life" and "death", the ideas are obviously a dichotomy even if the reality is that life involves decay and destruction and death involves an increase of living processes and organisms via decay. The concept and the reality are seperate and both have their place in careful management. To dimish the concept is to lose the yardstick that indicates direction and position, even if the concept is an unreachable ideal and superfically differs from person to person. It would be like doing away with numbers and a number system to abolish greed. Greed would exist, but merely without the rational authority of external checks and measurement. There would be no vocabulary or thought process available to rationally justify saying "something doesn't add up here." Just a thought.
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10-11-2011, 05:44 AM	#16
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10-11-2011, 03:41 PM	#19
TheStranger Core Member [148%] MBTI: intp Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 5,943	Yes, well, there have been many books that detail analysis on his writings, that comment on his propensity to seemingly contradict himself. Although I think Nietzche himself admitted it. Not that that's a bad thing.
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10-17-2011, 01:51 PM	#22
Bisclavret Veteran Member [62%] MBTI: INTP Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 2,502	This could apply to genetically modified humans. A new breed of humans bioengineered to surpass us (Nietzche was talking about us after all). Anyone here read Oryx and Crake by Margaret Atwood?
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