[Uytuun]

*originally posted at some other forum*

Me: high Ni, not so great Te (hence the lowercase j - for some reason I still feel like NT, probably also because of decent Ti, but it's the dealing with the outer world that indicates weak Te. This is less about the abstract thinking Ni-Te team than about Te in everyday life)

To me, using Te is often very exhausting, but also quite rewarding at times. I have this tendency to hoard stuff I have to do and make it a Te day and inevitably, I'll curse the advent of such days. On the other hand, I also have really productive days during which I get a load of stuff done and that seems to energise me. All in all, I would say that I turn on the Te engine very reluctantly, but then run with it quite nicely for a certain amount of time. I notice that I'm more Ni-Te during the day and more Ni(-Ne) at night or during holidays etc...it is my preferred modus operandi and the more whimsical and free Ni(-Ne) combination is more energising than the Ni-Te one, but I can only operate in it when the constraints of everyday life have been met with Te.

I guess it's a bit of a necessary evil to me in this capacity.

[patata]

Originally Posted by Uytuun To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Me: high Ni, not so great Te (hence the lowercase j - for some reason I still feel like NT, probably also because of decent Ti, but it's the dealing with the outer world that indicates weak Te. This is less about the abstract thinking Ni-Te team than about Te in everyday life) To me, using Te is often very exhausting, but also quite rewarding at times. I have this tendency to hoard stuff I have to do and make it a Te day and inevitably, I'll curse the advent of such days. [...] I notice that I'm more Ni-Te during the day and more Ni(-Ne) at night or during holidays etc...it is my preferred modus operandi and the more whimsical and free Ni(-Ne) combination is more energising than the Ni-Te one, but I can only operate in it when the constraints of everyday life have been met with Te.

Do you consider yourself INTJ or INTP?


Me? I hardly "exhaust" myself using Te. It's the man in my head who orders all the mess that Ni does. And he's quite good at that. I NEED and I like Te.

[Uytuun]

INTJ - I'm quite certain.

[Autoptic]

Ni never stops while I'm anything short of unconscious and probably not even then really. When anything interesting/important is perceived that Ni doesn't identify already, Te begins a compulsive assessment unless Ni stands it down later or until it decides the thing is not sufficiently interesting/important anymore. This can be exhausting but unless Te or Ni notices and prioritizes the problem, the process won't stop. That's actually hard to do even then, if it is really interesting/important. Whimsy and relaxation are more a matter of Fi or Se though they never get the right of way and are chaperoned.

I'm never sure if I'm getting the functions right. Descriptions are numerous and sometimes ambiguous.

[Kisai]

I am not a very good Te team player at all. Everyone has to shut up so I can think. Sometimes I'm thinking so furiously that I 'black out' and come back with the answer.

There was this time in physics lab where our team made a mistake somewhere along the lie and the data was completely off. I started thinking about what went wrong, and of course everyone else on the team was useless. After five minutes I'm still thinking. One girl, and obvious team organizer, interrupts me and wants me to go over the entire experiment step by step. I stare at her crossly and say, crossly, "I'm thinking!". Two minutes later I had the answer, but the girl dropped out of the class the next day.

[dogwoodlover]

I mainly feel my Te kick into gear when someone says something that my Ni perceives as false; my Te begins sorting out why its wrong so as to provide the perpetrator with the appropriate evidence.

I also experience my Te when attempting to think out the logical conclusions of an idea I just took in, often from a book, article or a friend.

I am currently working on strengthening my Te--I love to debate and I hate that my debate skills aren't sharp enough (Te isn't developed enough) to always defeat the pesky ENTJs I know, who constantly irritate me with their preposterous claims.

[Vicimdhar]

Originally Posted by dogwoodlover To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I mainly feel my Te kick into gear when someone says something that my Ni perceives as false; my Te begins sorting out why its wrong so as to provide the perpetrator with the appropriate evidence. I also experience my Te when attempting to think out the logical conclusions of an idea I just took in, often from a book, article or a friend. I am currently working on strengthening my Te--I love to debate and I hate that my debate skills aren't sharp enough (Te isn't developed enough) to always defeat the pesky ENTJs I know, who constantly irritate me with their preposterous claims.

I use Te mainly to apply my Ni-ideas in the world. Usually, my Ni comes up with some general idea/vision and my Ni and Te will cooperate to figure out a plan to realize it. I tend to automatically engage in Te when I'm trying to accomplish something around other people. I'm quite capable of using it in an ENTJ-like way, but I only do that when it's absolutely necessary and I can't maintain it that long. As using Te can also result in the 'stubbornness' that people often notice about INTJ's, I've learned to sometimes repress my Te in such situations. When alone, I'm also using Te much less.

Using Te for meeting daily life situations is something I tend not to do unless it becomes vital. My Ni has to be engaged as well.

[Thrifty]

I am not very fond of Te. For instance, as I am writing these lines I have to force myself to use Te to give coherence to what I am trying to convey, and it is a bit straining for me, "giving form" to my intuitions. I think this is more or less the process that my line of thought follows:

1. My preference is INTJ, but I've observed that for some reason I prefer to operate on Ni+Ne most of the time. That way I can juggle many hypotheses in my mind at the same time, without arriving at a conclusion necessarily (although my tendency is to always push for closure). Ni feeds me hypotheses, and with Ne I consider other variables I may have overlooked. This results in a "blob" of intuition that needs sorting out if it is going to serve any purpose.

2. Next, I apply a Ti+Fi ("analysis functions") filter. I mentally point out any logical or ethical problems. I could stop here if after careful scrutiny the idea is inviable.

3. Adding Si+Se; I check for the possible applications of said theory in the real world, and I ensure that I am not deluding myself over the effectiveness of said intuition by checking facts and past experience. I could stop my "brain-work" here if I don't envision any practical application for said intuition.

4. Using Te+Fe, I implement said theory/idea/intuition into the real world.


I usually operate on Levels 1 & 2, which I am going to label as "analysis mode". Steps 3 and 4 only occur when I want to "project" my insights into the world, which is a rare occurrence. Then, there are instances where Ni overrides everything else, and I just output it, in an epiphany of sorts.

If this is accurate and I'm not self-deluding myself, it means that I use all of the cognitive functions. Hopefully it makes sense :P

[curiousjane]

Te helps me survive in the business world. It also, I believe, comes into play when I work on a writing project (organization) that is complex, or when I work on an artistic project, to sort it out. I think it is useful for graphic design.

I wish I was like ENTJs. I long for the ability to speak my mind, make decision, and have instantaneous come-backs. Instead, I typically mull things over and make sure I say the right thing.

Oh ... and I strongly suspect Te is the reason I love the Dewey Decimal system, alphabetizing, and folders with labels. Or why I am fascinated by Info-graphics and Information Architecture. I *heart* organizational systems that WORK!


To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

[Uytuun]

	I long for the ability to speak my mind, make decision, and have instantaneous come-backs.

Yeah, these are aspects of Te that I do recognise in myself. And value greatly.

	That way I can juggle many hypotheses in my mind at the same time, without arriving at a conclusion necessarily (although my tendency is to always push for closure). Ni feeds me hypotheses, and with Ne I consider other variables I may have overlooked. This results in a "blob" of intuition that needs sorting out if it is going to serve any purpose.

*nods*

I've noticed an amusing contradiction in the interplay of my entertaining all kinds of different perspectives (relative) and my desire to find a principle that can unify them all (absolute) and which I then necessarily have to question.

[dogwoodlover]

Originally Posted by Thrifty To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I am not very fond of Te. For instance, as I am writing these lines I have to force myself to use Te to give coherence to what I am trying to convey, and it is a bit straining for me, "giving form" to my intuitions. I think this is more or less the process that my line of thought follows: 1. My preference is INTJ, but I've observed that for some reason I prefer to operate on Ni+Ne most of the time. That way I can juggle many hypotheses in my mind at the same time, without arriving at a conclusion necessarily (although my tendency is to always push for closure). Ni feeds me hypotheses, and with Ne I consider other variables I may have overlooked. This results in a "blob" of intuition that needs sorting out if it is going to serve any purpose. 2. Next, I apply a Ti+Fi ("analysis functions") filter. I mentally point out any logical or ethical problems. I could stop here if after careful scrutiny the idea is inviable. 3. Adding Si+Se; I check for the possible applications of said theory in the real world, and I ensure that I am not deluding myself over the effectiveness of said intuition by checking facts and past experience. I could stop my "brain-work" here if I don't envision any practical application for said intuition. 4. Using Te+Fe, I implement said theory/idea/intuition into the real world. I usually operate on Levels 1 & 2, which I am going to label as "analysis mode". Steps 3 and 4 only occur when I want to "project" my insights into the world, which is a rare occurrence. Then, there are instances where Ni overrides everything else, and I just output it, in an epiphany of sorts. If this is accurate and I'm not self-deluding myself, it means that I use all of the cognitive functions. Hopefully it makes sense :P

While there's certainly no way I can decisively tell what functions you do and don't use, it seems extremely unlikely that you could actually operate in this manner. For most personality types, the last four of the eight functions are archaic and buried in the unconscious. Their use tends to be infrequent, inefficient, and often times undesirable as they don't function well. For INTJs, the "first four" functions are what come "naturally" to us in handling the world as opposed to the "last four."

That said, its quite possible to develop the "last four" functions, but most people simply cannot utilize all eight functions in any sort of an efficient or desirable way.

I would venture to say that you may be confusing your Ni-Ne partnership with an Ni-(weak)Te relation. Your Ti-Fi is also likely Te-Fi joining forces, *especially* because the psyche does not like to alter between two rational functions (or information-gathering functions) if they have the same orientation... that is, if theyre both introverted or both extroverted. So it seems much more likely that Te and Fi are cooperating in an INTJ than Ti and Fi.

Just some thoughts...

[Autoptic]

When I said compulsive I didn't mean easily or effectively, thus my probably obvious repeated post edits, too much spinning wheels in park and grinding away over the years. I'm hoping this improves soon.

[Thrifty]

Originally Posted by dogwoodlover To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

While there's certainly no way I can decisively tell what functions you do and don't use, it seems extremely unlikely that you could actually operate in this manner. For most personality types, the last four of the eight functions are archaic and buried in the unconscious. Their use tends to be infrequent, inefficient, and often times undesirable as they don't function well. For INTJs, the "first four" functions are what come "naturally" to us in handling the world as opposed to the "last four." That said, its quite possible to develop the "last four" functions, but most people simply cannot utilize all eight functions in any sort of an efficient or desirable way. I would venture to say that you may be confusing your Ni-Ne partnership with an Ni-(weak)Te relation. Your Ti-Fi is also likely Te-Fi joining forces, *especially* because the psyche does not like to alter between two rational functions (or information-gathering functions) if they have the same orientation... that is, if theyre both introverted or both extroverted. So it seems much more likely that Te and Fi are cooperating in an INTJ than Ti and Fi. Just some thoughts...

Hm... it is possible that what I perceive as Ni-Ne and Ti-Fi interactions is simply a not very efficient Ni-Te-Fi interaction. But that would make me somewhat incompetent and I dislike the idea a great deal. Furthermore, the downside to using all functions and being a "jack of all trades" is that you loose efficiency. Perhaps it is much better to specialize and not be an amorphous blob of matter. I'm also convinced that I've been at least INFP INFJ INTP and INTJ throughout my life, that would make mean I have used Fi-Ne, Ni-Fe, Ti-Ne and Ni-Te as main two functions at some stage, that could be a hint.

I never stated I was proficient at all C.Functions(I wish...), I only stated that I think I use all of them at some stage. If I had to self-asses myself (because unfortunately there aren't any tests that specifically test your proficiency with each function) I would say that my Ni,Fi,Ti and Ne are pretty good, my Fe is not bad, my Te is sub par (for an INTJ that is) and my Si and Se are hideous (I bump into things all the time and my memory is well... not the best one -_-).

Many people report "out of the norm" cognitive function interactions. Also, I find it very hard to believe that absolutely everyone is going to fit in those 16 little MBTI boxes. My guess would be that the MBTI theory, while on the right track, is incomplete.

[dogwoodlover]

	Originally Posted by curiousjane To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I wish I was like ENTJs. I long for the ability to speak my mind, make decision, and have instantaneous come-backs. Instead, I typically mull things over and make sure I say the right thing.

ENTJ women seem to struggle more with dealing with female stereotypes than INFP women do.

I like INFP women--when I was younger my internal "ideal" of a woman definitely was of a very INFP nature.

That said, our society is probably least favorable towards INFPs. It seems that ESTJs are best suited for "the American way." My dad and little sister are INFPs and I know they have both always struggled to "fit in," not just socially, but in the way they think and work and live. My ESTJ mom doesn't understand either of them and is always seeking to "correct" their "deviance."

[True Rune]

It gets in the way of "teh crazy"..
Usually it has me thinking of other people as fools for getting mad over nothing.