[Kmal]

FYI, you can't be objective about something if you have a personal bias against it.

[Fubudis]

	Originally Posted by Kmal To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	FYI, you can't be objective about something if you have a personal bias against it.

Everyone has a personal bias. You can still argue with an objective stance. Do you have any idea what you're talking about?

[Kmal]

	Originally Posted by Fubudis To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Everyone has a personal bias. You can still argue with an objective stance. Do you have any idea what you're talking about?

Nor while playing the devil's advocate.

[Fubudis]

	Originally Posted by Kmal To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Nor while playing the devil's advocate.

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You're welcome.

[Kmal]

	Originally Posted by Fubudis To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
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Thank you.

	not influenced by personal feelings, interpretations, or prejudice; based on facts; unbiased: an objective opinion.

[Fubudis]

	Originally Posted by Kmal To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Thank you.

So if I believe X, but argue Y, could it not be assumed that Y is an objective argument, considering my beliefs do no coincide with Y?

[Kmal]

	Originally Posted by Fubudis To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	So if I believe X, but argue Y, could it not be assumed that Y is an objective argument, considering my beliefs do no coincide with Y?

According to the link you gave, no.

[Amphorian]

I try to be objective as possible in situations for the most part, but obviously we all have different levels of bias to particular subjects. It's not that easy to overcome bias, especially when there is negative experiences associated with topics.

[Zsych]

Its difficult to not let some level of bias creep into analysis but it is possible, especially if you know that that is what you're trying to do and watch for those times when emotions are trying to get you to modify what you say.

[acyckowski]

	Originally Posted by Kmal To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	FYI, you can't be objective about something if you have a personal bias against it.

Sure you can. Especially if you identify and qualify your bias. The tricky part is recognizing your own biases.

A simple and ridiculous example to illustrate. Say I really don't like the number 4. I hate everything about it, from it's aesthetic irregularity to my deep-seated religious convictions that 4 is the number of the devil. Even so, I can still say that 2+2 is 4, and that half of 8 is 4, and so on, and remain thoroughly objective despite my bias.

What you're doing is creating a false dichotomy between subjectivity and objectivity, that thinking can be either subjective or objective, but not both. The very basis of logic, that paradigm of objectivity, rests on the assertion of premises which may in fact be subjective. Requirements for demonstration, self-evidence, and especially stipulation, all require a subjective judgment of "good enough."

[Kmal]

If you achieve a state where you have no bias (objectivity), how are you still left with a bias?

[Bonamona]

We evaluate views through our subjective filters, because we are humans...We can attempt to be as objective as we possibly can, but we will still be clouded by values and past experiences which shape our judgment even when we conceal such judgment.

That is why philosophy itself is not grounded in complete objectivity.

[Samueza]

The most important source of bias imo is not our subjectivity, but lack of information. This will most likely make one point of view appear more salient and another less salient than both would appear if all the information would be available. I think personal bias can be explained in terms of information salience, meaning that we prefer one point of view because it simply is clearer to us than another point of view. Given our limited capacity for information processing and limited availability of information I think this challenge can't be overcome and so-called objectivity can't be reached.

[Zombicide]

	Originally Posted by Kmal To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	FYI, you can't be objective about something if you have a personal bias against it.

Hmm, I don't get it, I have a personal bias for objectivity. Why can't I be objectively opposed to something? I mean as in to say, for me such is primarily where most of my biases come from.

[Myth]

You mean the theory of value-laden observations?

[Dru]

the most objective person is only the one with the least amount of bias. consider complete objectivity akin to obtaining a temperature of absolute zero.

[Imperator]

	Originally Posted by Kmal To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	FYI, you can't be objective about something if you have a personal bias against it.

Yeah, actually, you can.

I have a personal bias against Christianity, but I can be objective about measurable good things associated with it. Nuns helped found the Mayo Clinic. A lot of schools and hospitals were founded by religious people, on behalf of that religion. These are just facts.

The fact that someone has a bias against something doesn't mean they can't push it aside and be objective on the matter. That's why scientists use peer-review, scientific method, double-blind studies, etc. The entire point is that even if they're biased, it's not going to get in the way.

And a good scientist will recognize when his bias might be clouding his thoughts on the issue. So long as one remembers that a theory should fit to the evidence, and not the evidence to a theory, one can be objective no matter how biased they may be.