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Objective and subjective objectivity
Old 08-23-2010, 06:10 PM   #51
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Objectivity is when you pull yourself out of the topic at hand and view it from the eyes of an outsider who has no prior knowledge or sentimental value toward the topic. You don't persuade yourself to believe or think one way, but see what is fact and undeniable. In seeing what is truly there, you may appear heartless because you reject any emotion from tainting what the topic truly is or means.

Subjectivity is instantaneous. You are pulled into a way of thinking by how you feel, the emotion evoked from the topic, and this thinking is the driving force to how you make in decision in how to interpret the topic. You may become sensitive and passionate as you feel a physical link toward the topic, attached and involved.

IMO, both objectivity and subjectivity have their pluses and minus. If you're 100% objective, you're a robot. On the other hand, if your emotions are EVERYTHING, then you can really miss the point. Also, if you want to persuade someone, tugging at their emotions is often better since they can relate to it with memories or people they know. It has more meaning, feels more like it deals with them, not just some statistic or random fact.

But statistics and facts are important, too. It's evidence, concrete indisputable evidence. If you want to be objective in persuading someone, you might pull out cold hard facts because that's the heart of the manner (excuse the pun
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). But facts and numbers have nothing to relate to. Sure, you can't easily argue numbers, but numbers can bore people because numbers are too far away, nothing to make them as recognizable as the Native American man crying at the display of trash littering everything in sight.

I think objectivity and subjectivity best in harmony and combined together. They both have their merits, and are best utilized together.
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Old 08-23-2010, 07:20 PM   #52
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People seem to be defining objectivity as logic and subjectivity as emotions. I don't think this is quite right. Something which is objective is something which can be shown in the outside world. Subjective values on the other hand, are shaped inwardly. Both Ti and Fi cognitive processes are subjective. They both are shaped by the experiences and thoughts of the user. Te and Fe, on the other hand, are both objective because they rely on what can be shown. Facts used by Te cannot be disputed and neither can people's actions as recognized by Fe. I think this also applies to the perceiving functions. Basically, all introverted functions are subjective and all extraverted functions are objective.
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Old 08-24-2010, 11:56 AM   #53
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Subjective means the truth of a statement is dependent on the world view of the person hearing it.

For example. "Barack Obama is a good person."

What is or is not "good" is dependent on the individual's personal beliefs about what good is.

Objective means the truth of a statement is determined by factual logic.

For example. "Barack Obama has dark skin."

What is or is not dark skin is not up for debate. His skin fits the definition of dark unequivocally. No two people could honestly agree to disagree about his skin being dark.
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