Precisely. Very good way of putting it.

I meant humans are a kind of animal with some natural traits that can be used. Granted such changes often take a generation or two to come to fruition.

When you say negotiation is taboo in dating, what sort of negotiation are you referring to?

Do you think you are able to objectively determine the cause of your experience? Do you think it would have been different if you lived in another era?

I don't really have a dog in that fight, though. I empathize with people who aren't able to reason their way out of unfair/unjust situations, but I don't have strong gender-specific feelings.

Not universally. In a nightclub, sure.

What I meant by "oblivious to social norms" was that he acted inconsiderate in ways that he would probably have recognized with more social exposure. But I agree with your closing sentiment.

Ooh that, yeah. But the entire thread as about plotthickens (and the usual femi bunch) being anti IrenaShav.

I'm sorry?

Lol, glad you pointed that out.

I'M NOT AN EXPERT, BUT I'M PRETTY SURE THAT'S FLAMING.

I knew I better be quick it was too easy. But it had to be done.

That hits the nail on the head. Which can be a murdering technique.

	Originally Posted by Minerva
	Is 100 miles to far for you to be interested in someone?

*wondered how long it would take to get a comment to this effect* XD

Well at least you want to live! That's something at least.

If I had to picture a happy life for you, it would look like this:

You find a woman who loves you. She's not perfect. The gap between her two front teeth is too big. Her boobs are a tad too small but you love her as is with all her imperfections. She loves you without trying to turn you into something you're not. She accepts all of the pieces of you, even the fucked up ones. You adore her, even her odd ball laugh and together it's you two against the world.
You have a job. You claim not to like it. You bitch and complain constantly about it but it challenges you so much that you don't realize 8 hours has flown by. You have just barely enough money, not too much but enough to pay your bills and your sexy, sweet gap toothed wife is notoriously cheap and good with coupons.
You may (or may not) have a few mini Autoptics running around. If you do, you do not yell at them. You do not hit them. You treat them how you wanted to be treated when you were their age. You do not talk to them like children. You speak respectfully because they are as human as you are and their opinions count like yours should have when you were a kid.
It makes me smile to picture this (though your future dreams, and results based on effort, may vary).

You don't try you fail automatically. Does failing hurt so much that it precludes you from trying? You can always talk yourself into not trying at all but can you do the converse?

I've heard the talk before, I think it's a Ted. She's talking about corporate patronizing while I am referring to something different. Courage in the face of adversity. Taking the step even though you're terrified you'll misstep. Identify your distortions. I can't help because you'll just parry my thrust away. Excuses abound aplenty but your life is yours to change or not. It's yours, not anyone else's! Be responsible for your outcomes. You're an outlier, do something with that...don't waste it. It's such a rare gift.

Optimists do best and they have a tendency to ignore probabilities.

I hope you find whatever it is that you are searching for.

Actualities are achieved by those who ignore probabilities-me

Lewis sounds like he's talking about SJ's. If my inference is correct, I agree with him