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  1. Monte314
    Yesterday 01:57 PM
    Monte314 commented on I just coined a new phrase...
    Hee! Hee!
  2. envirodude
    Yesterday 11:12 AM
    I think your chances are good. Get ready to update your résumé...
  3. Imperator
    08-20-2016 07:52 AM
    See, I'm more petty than that. I go for the low blow: Find other Christians who disagree and use their arguments. If I want to criticise catholics I ask protestants, evangelicals I ask Anglicans, Methodists I ask calvinists, or baptists, or episcopalians, and if I want to find out what's wrong with the First Southern Baptist Church of Christ, I go ask the Second Southern Baptist Church of Christ.

    There are 20,000 NT manuscripts, 6500 in Greek containing 400,000 variations resulting in several different canons and 100+ English transactions which are all interpreted a little differently by the 40,000 different denominations.

    All claiming to be the right one, or the best one, or the most authoritative, accurate, pure, incorruptible, etc.

    My simple and impossible question then becomes "why should I believe you?"

    Homosexuality is a sin. Why should I believe any given Christian on that, over the 100 different views out there? At best, it makes them look conceited and arrogant, at worst, delusional and cultish.
  4. oberonblue
    08-19-2016 09:32 AM
    It's one of the core arguments against the Bible being anti-gay, but few who need to understand it will pay attention or incorporate it into their world view. As the latest Bible/homosexuality shows. I got tired of reposting the same information over and over again, a long time ago.
  5. Imperator
    08-19-2016 07:41 AM
    You're getting exactly the responses I suspected
  6. Imperator
    08-18-2016 01:53 PM
    Thing is, pointing out these people are hypocrites with the bible doesn't necessarily invalidate their point. The bible says don't eat blood, but nobody follows it. Bible says "no homo", and they want people to follow it. It makes them hypocrites but not "wrong". Which is why I tend to criticize the translation, the hermeneutics, the textual criticism, and the like. Still might not make them wrong, but maybe it'll make them question why they follow the bible as they do, and whether they can actually fulfill their 1 Peter 3:15 obligation to "give the reason".
  7. Imperator
    08-18-2016 11:37 AM
    And yet Jesus says not a jot or tittle will pass from the law. So the whole law is valid according to Jesus, but gentiles only have to follow part, because they'll get more converts that way.
  8. Imperator
    08-18-2016 11:07 AM
    Like I said, the classical interpretation is one of many, and I don't have a real way of deciding which is most likely. In terms of the literalists, I have lots of counters, like stoning unruly children, wearing clothes of mixed fabric, etc.
  9. Imperator
    08-18-2016 10:54 AM
    And we can discuss whatever wherever. I'm basically just trying new shit right now.
  10. Imperator
    08-18-2016 10:53 AM
    Eh, I dunno. I get that I have to fight on their territory, but their territory often isn't clear, and they often don't actually put it up for discussion. Take the latest ID vs evolution thread as an example. Even if I say, ok, ID is correct, now how does it explain XYZ, I don't get an answer.
  11. Imperator
    08-18-2016 10:36 AM
    Put another way, don't pretend you're married to another man when you're not, and don't sleep with him as if he was your spouse. Now, they are spouses, so it should be fine. It fits, because the proscription is against fornication -- unmarried sex. Gays are married, so their sex is valid.

    I know, it's cheap, but against KJV only types, I don't have much I can bring to bear.
  12. Imperator
    08-18-2016 10:32 AM
    There's kinda a block against too many counters with the number of assumptions held at the start.

    I'm stretching at Romans. But if you say the bible is God's infallible word, and if you say the KJV is the perfect translation, and if you say all of God's commands apply today, and if you read that passage in the way such people do, then I'm forced to admit defeat. But that'd kinda like a "assume I'm invincible, now try to beat me" kinda stance. Only other shot is to say reading it LITERALLY literally "lying" does not hold any sexual connotation, or rather, man "lying" with man "as with a woman" implies the marriage bed, which was not possible then, but is now nullified because gays can marry.
  13. Imperator
    08-17-2016 07:40 AM
    Take the whole damn month if you want. I got shit to do too. It's not timed.
  14. Monte314
    08-16-2016 10:23 AM
  15. Monte314
    08-16-2016 09:41 AM
    His arguments can be intricate.
  16. Monte314
    08-16-2016 09:32 AM
    I admire his unique use of language... very purposeful, and well-integrated... tight arguments having few wasted words.
  17. Monte314
    08-16-2016 09:03 AM
    I do admire him.
  18. Monte314
    08-15-2016 04:12 PM
    Monte314 commented on Anyone else aspire to be like Socrates?
    You mean, like...DEAD!?
  19. yoginimama
    08-15-2016 03:53 PM
    I will make it a point to tell you.
  20. yoginimama
    08-15-2016 03:50 PM
    I have. My daughter actually became a Unitarian Universalist when she was five years old and I took her every week until she decided she didn't like it anymore (one too many sad stories with no warning). UUs are great, but I'm looking for something a little more overtly Christ-centered.

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