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  1. Zsych
    Yesterday 04:51 PM
    Zsych
    It's still your mind making choices... Even if the choices are made on a subconscious level. There is reasoning of sorts there, in even the most emotional actions... It just might not be tied well to your conscious understanding of things.

    The conscious mind is a thin layer created by the systems underneath... But it's the systems underneath that really determine stuff. How to move your hands in accordance with an intent? What you can consciously remember in a given situation? (The memories are there - they may not be judged relevant and made accessible in the current context... Even if you would consciously consider them relevant ... but the conscious mind can only actively work with so much, so what its fed does have be managed... And sometimes the information pulled isn't what it ideally should be)
  2. Zsych
    Yesterday 03:45 PM
    Zsych
    The concept of free will has an aspect of divinity or magic to it. If one runs into a problem though, how would one make a choice? By experience and some type of personal understanding, or some kind of randomness that derives from your soul and isn't a function of your nature and past?

    If you could be sent back in time, but also had all memories from that point forward erased and had to make the same choices again, what reason would you have to make others, while not knowing better?

    -

    I think we expect more from it than we should though. All choices we make are expressions of our unique personality and knowledge. Our actions derive from who we are at that time, and in terms of responsibility - within a human scope - both good and bad actions would derive from our nature at that time... And thus praise or correction / punishment, with a goal of making things better, would need to be applied to that person that we are.

    We are mostly free and independent agents, adapting to or environments.
  3. Zsych
    01-30-2015 07:52 PM
    Zsych
    Free will has an interesting premise. It essentially puts responsibility on the person (or should)... Which is often useful (if they aren't choosing to be rebellious), but one does also often up up making people responsible for things they didn't choose, or problems you know that average humans realistically will not manage to get out of, because they are limited by their habits (kinda for good reason... unfortunately, you can adapt to unfortunate environments - making you functional there but unable to get out)
  4. Zsych
    01-30-2015 06:14 PM
    Zsych
    Also, as far as it goes, I think humans maintaining egos makes sense - mostly because its part of how we interact with each other. Since we don't know the full details of other people and their networks / resources, their attitudes are a shortcut to understanding how to relate to them. As such, it also becomes valuable to people, to have high opinions of themselves (because in a human environment, that will often result in better treatment).... Its just a quality that's meant to function primarily in a human context, and not a larger one.
  5. Zsych
    01-30-2015 06:10 PM
    Zsych
    My main problem with the human view of God, is that humans project onto God, qualities that humans only have because of the constraints of human evolution... Or basically, we're trying to relate to God through empathy (because that's useful for understanding other humans who are already similar to you because they are a result of the same process)...
  6. Zsych
    01-30-2015 06:07 PM
    Zsych
    Separately, I think its interesting to think of what you might be like, if you were a billion years old. How much would you care about things? Who would you intervene for?

    If you actually had cared about something like humans... You're talking about millions of generations of humans that would live and die, on that timescale. How would you feel about ones from 600 million years ago, for example?

    (With God, we're also dealing with the minor problem of people not being able to offer him anything - in human relationships, you're not really expecting to be 100% altruistic. You help people because you expect at least something back, or generally because its good for the group... None of those immediate and evolved reasons apply to a God)
  7. Zsych
    01-30-2015 05:59 PM
    Zsych
    And yes, I personally favor the truth - I just acknowledge that it doesn't always lead me to correct choices... Not quite evolved enough for that yet
  8. Zsych
    01-30-2015 05:57 PM
    Zsych
    In the real world, the only thing that matters is the actions that get taken and change the world (to your advantage or against). How you get to them doesn't. Religions help supplement some of the weaknesses in human nature and problem solving that get in the way of humans being able to take correct action.

    (Doesn't matter how right you are, if you're dead and didn't positively affect anything)

    -

    As for God showing off... To who? Humans? Just look at how insignificantly small our galaxy is in the universe we know of. This universe itself is billions of years old. And for most of the 100K+ years of our species existence, we haven't been all that different from gorillas.

    And despite our suddenly increased egos - thanks to technology created mostly by other people, that we have little personal contribution to... Even our greatest technology is basically insignificant in any real sense. The total product of our species as a whole - if we used all the nukes we have, for example... would basically be unnoticeable on a larger scale.

    Shoemaker Levy 9 (a comet that hit Jupiter some years ago), hit it with power hundreds of times greater than the collective power of our entire international nuclear arsenal... 400 million(?) times the power of the nukes dropped on Hiroshima.

    Why would anyone even notice humans enough to want to show off for them? And what if they decided that cats were the chosen species that they wanted to favor and raise up? (If we ask for help, and actually get it from some greater force - that's really very kind of that being)
  9. Zsych
    01-30-2015 05:45 PM
    Zsych
    Ultimately, some beliefs improve productivity and chances of collective survival.

    Even basic stuff like "My child died, but all children go to heaven, and I can see him again" - is hope that might do you good and get you back into living your life. A valuable belief thus, for humans to have.
  10. Zsych
    01-30-2015 05:44 PM
    Zsych
    Also, going by the whole "chosen" idea (or people favoring certain animals as pets). Why would you assume all humans and "human" welfare, or the welfare of one whole species of animals, would matter to the source of universes? If even a few humans get special attention - that's not bad at all
  11. Zsych
    01-30-2015 05:41 PM
    Zsych
    I think making religions about God misses their real value. They didn't become widespread because they were "true". They became widespread because they add value to human civilizations.
  12. Zsych
    01-30-2015 05:34 PM
    Zsych
    Something I said a long time ago on the topic.

    Although I could still half-believe in a direct personal relationship with a God, just not something you can prove.
  13. Zsych
    I'd say it more like "Ultimately the first cause, has to have such a nature that it does not need a cause of its own - since we're obviously already here, as opposed to nothing existing, which is what we'd expect normally in a cause and effect based world"
  14. Saul
    01-28-2015 02:31 PM
    Saul
    No worries - I just wasn't sure how it was helpful to someone who's already out.
  15. Saul
    01-28-2015 02:51 AM
    Saul
    you're welcome? lol.
  16. Imagineering
    01-24-2015 07:34 PM
    Imagineering
    The mone yproblem is annoying. You ever going to retire?
  17. Imagineering
    01-24-2015 04:30 PM
    Imagineering
    Eventually your time will be up. I should design a ticking clock heart. Hhaha.
  18. Imagineering
    01-24-2015 01:35 AM
    Imagineering
    Nice clock.
  19. Kisai
    01-15-2015 11:20 PM
    Kisai
    The conclusions that he reaches is that we're all responsible for our actions and free to invent meaning is fitting.
  20. Monte314
    12-19-2014 09:39 AM
    Monte314 commented on Mohammed and Aisha
    Thanks for the article.

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