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  1. eagleseven
    Today 02:06 PM
    Love that dream, lol! Gay Gary!

    Because this is Ohio, my Dad keeps trying to scare me into voting Trump, my friends Clinton lol...
  2. SkyBright
    Today 10:27 AM
  3. eagleseven
    09-24-2016 09:47 PM
    Johnson. So tired of that arguement, TBH.

    Beelzulbub and Astaroth are both princes of hell, and regardless of who you choose, you're still voting for a demon.
  4. yoginimama
    09-14-2016 11:48 AM
    Yeah, me too.
  5. yoginimama
    09-13-2016 03:49 AM
    yoginimama commented on Calvinism
    Yeah, I'm glad they're both accepted too. I balk at Limited Atonement myself.
  6. Carly23
    09-12-2016 02:05 PM
    Carly23 commented on I have a very odd addiction
  7. yoginimama
    09-07-2016 09:52 AM
    yoginimama commented on Help?
    Thank you! I will check that out.
  8. yes
    08-17-2016 07:01 PM
    Agreed. It took me years... but I also haven't had any depressive spirals in the past two winters, so I know it's going well.
  9. Namesake
    08-17-2016 10:40 AM
    If I had to call myself a posterchild for something, it wouldn't be T or J, it would be "IN" and limbic. When I was younger, I probably was a little more of your "classic strong T", and rounded out over time.
    I think from a functions-y perspective I in fact am probably NOT an "INTJ," to the extent I believe it is meaningful to be one of those types, although you know by now that I like to precisely distinguish different systems. There was a long period when I learnt all the functions theories stuff too, and almost universally people, including diehard functions fanatics, thought I'm more Ti>Te. *shrugs*
    From a purely "crazy rationalistic/logic-orientation" POV, I'm very much that, but as that isn't really one-to-one at all with T, I don't view myself as a T posterchild.
  10. Namesake
    08-17-2016 08:45 AM
    good to know you're feeling settled on that! Here's a little more rambling I couldn't help composing...

    One of the salient points here is that T is more a kind of toughminded attitude to logicality than a full-on valuation of logic to the highest degree.
    What this means is on balance, while in some cases idealism may waver from a truly logic-trumps-all outlook, since T is hardly one-to-one with such an outlook, there's no inconsistency with NT. In fact, the principles trump all outlook of a 1 (including having no problem if these are disagreeable to people's feelings) can be very consistent with T, hence why 9types' correlations don't surprise me.

    Actually, it's worth noting NEO-PI-R has a facet called Emotionality/openness to feelings in its Factor V dimension. This correlated at around 0.2 in a study by Furnham to F, meaning not all that strongly. I see no reason why someone can't be intensely emotional about meaning but be T-ish. An N who is intensely emotional probably is LIKELY to be this way, actually, based on Big 5 data I've seen. It's very easy to view all affectively based orientations as the same, but in fact this shows they can be very different.
  11. Namesake
    08-16-2016 10:21 PM
    You're welcome! I get a bit queasy changing my mind all of a sudden that way, but it seemed to me to just click in a way.

    The basic idea I was exploiting there is that personality dimensions defined by clusters are to be treated with care, because two clusters can overlap but be pretty different in spirit. The example I like to use is S and T both contain the word "practical" -- but in one case, it's opposed to "sentimental" and in the other, it's opposed to "theory" or some such....those oppositions carry different meanings.

    In the same spirit, it's easy to look at "idealism/thirst for meaning" and think hey, that's another stereotypical NF! But, other personality dimensions can contain the same idea "idealism" but of a different flavor. And it just struck me your idealism followed an E1 flavor, and not the typical F flavor.

    E1 is probably associated to the TJ interface (likely ITJ most), hence why I overall leaned that someone who is strongly E1, clearly IN, has many T-ish qualities but coupled with NF idealism might be described as an INtj holistically. Even if we could insist on being conservative, say INXX, and just discuss individual aspects of T-F and J-P.
  12. Namesake
    08-16-2016 03:23 PM
    Never mind, please scratch that F guess, and let me give you a more evenhanded analysis of why I think you're struggling. I think you identify as enneagram 1. That, to me, is significant a factor here. Enneagram 1 is not known for seeking harmony over a kind of pugnacious correctness. When you mentioned your relation to Step II facets, you marked almost all T options, and not surprisingly, 9types' correlations show 1 is overwhelmingly T, 9 overwhelmingly F (although INFJ with a 1ish vibe do exist and are very plausible).

    Now comes the punchline--while I don't think enneagram is a well-defined system, there are some observations one can make, including that 1 philosophies fit in very well with a kind of idealism. IMHO, that is displaying itself in your intensive quest for meaning, and so on. Some of these things can carry a NF>NT feel but on balance, I think the 1ishness swings you T.

    I think at the end of the day I'm going to have to guess you're more T and revoke what I said earlier. I think lowercase t seems right.
    INtj maybe.

    You probably could be a Jungian F though.
  13. Whoops
    08-16-2016 03:11 PM
    Whoops commented on What part of your MBTI type doesn't fit you?
    spoiler for fun
    seriously though... reads so infj!
  14. Whoops
    08-16-2016 03:07 PM
    spoiler for length
    i felt a little bit like perhaps i could see her point, and perhaps she couldn't see mine. i was being conciliatory for exit. here is a good example of age and self-comfort (rather than stereotypes of a typical entp or entj)... i'm interested in conversation, but i'm not interested in debate in intjforum. if you pay attention, regardless of self-described types and regardless of the subject matter, you'll see that nearly all arguments in intjforum (even the polite ones) are merely endurance contests. that really bores the hell out of me. i'm only interested in mutual exchange of ideas and information. it's no big deal to be wrong; it's the fastest way to become correct anew.

    i find it unlikely that the people you met (the infp, intj, and entj) had all typed themselves justly... but you never know
  15. Namesake
    08-16-2016 02:55 PM
    Alright, so for what it's worth, I think

    - if we placed F, T, and X on a continuum I place you as more X than F or T

    - if forced to choose, I think INf over INt at this whimsical moment! Why? Most of your "T-ish" qualities seem to reek strongly of introversion. It isn't unusual for introversion to contribute to a somewhat more austere, task-centric attitude. In fact, on the Big 5 (which is IMO obviously tapping into similar dimensions to the MBTI), this sort of thing can explicitly correlate with their version of introversion. Whereas your overall attitudes seem NF-y.

    - keep in mind from my perspective (which I'm sure is right, lol!), it makes no sense for identifying with Fi > Fe to sway you on J>P. Many INFJ will be more Fi-ish. But this was mainly on T-F and we can discuss J-P later.

    - Keep in mind I don't think forcing a choice leads to the most rational answer
  16. Namesake
    08-12-2016 02:45 PM
    Great; well if you have any questions on how it is similar to / different from MBTI/Big 5/etc, I can probably say stuff, because I've spent some time on that.

    Just to emphasize, I gave HEXACO as an example of how someone can be middle-road on one dimension while being more pronounced on a related one. For example, someone can value logic nearly as highly as possible, and be more middle on T-F than a strong T, because they rarely care for the toughminded aspects of logicality.
    The example I had in mind is someone can be somewhat high in Big 5 Neuroticism but middle in the relatively similar dimension of HEXACO Emotionality.
  17. willc
    Thanks for sharing the online attachment test that you use. I was surprised by the results. It appears I may not be as securely attached as I originally thought
  18. eagleseven
    04-26-2016 11:34 PM
    I will get through this. Just keep telling myself that!
  19. LonelyINTP
    04-26-2016 10:37 AM
    Thanks, it still kinda sucks lol. I did learn quite a bit for the future. Thanks for your advice and support!
  20. LonelyINTP
    04-26-2016 09:09 AM
    I was smitten. Anyway, I asked her she said no oh well.

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