Won't it be a problem if we don't have the same source for everything? It could lead to some profiles being more specific than others...

I guess, but who doesn't now and again? I had a look at these aspects, and i'm starting to see what you mean about them being precise enough to work with. At times...oddly precise...

So anyway a couple of things, would you work with the Saturn Pluto aspect, or would it be a fixed rule of the tightest aspect whatever it is? We would need roughly the same amount of info for whichever was chosen, so does that mean we may be forced into only dealing with major aspects if there's more info about some than others? Which brings me onto my next thing, from where do we get the information about what each aspect means? Is there one place to get everything?

We're bound to get mainly INTJs, not much we can do about that unless we continue the experiments off forum in future. Just to clarify, how do i find the tightest aspect in a chart? This is my chart where i've reduced orbs to 10%. Doesn't seem to be anything there so this is the 20 % one. How do i find out what the name of that is?

Then i'm not sure. You know more about astrology practice than i do, so i'd have to entrust that decision to you. As long as it's fair that's my main priority. We could always do multiple experiments over time anyway. It's not like i'm expecting one experiment to be conclusive enough to determine its validity once and for all. We could begin on tight aspects, and then move on to other things in subsequent experiments. So would you actually be interested in doing this on the forum? i think it would be interesting. I'm more than happy to change my mind about tropical if it performs better than i think it will. It would be good at some point to compare results to sidereal data also.

Yeah, i read that manifestations of tight aspects can sometimes be beneath awareness. My partner actually said to me that it would help if participants all took some kind of quiz before being allowed to enter that determined their ability to self-report accurately. Kind of made sense, would probably be too much to implement as well though. Is there anything else we could use that is more clear cut and less prone to defective awareness or denial?

In that case would it be fair to use it? We wouldn't want anything that could potentially skew results.

Venus conjunct Uranus? sorry, couldn't resist that one

What about people who generally have more tighter aspects in their chart than others? Will that make a difference? Are tight aspects one of the best indicators for uniqueness in a chart?

Right. Sounds ok as long as the same rules were applied to each chart. They would each need to contain the same amount of information to increase fairness with none of it duplicated in the same chart. Though that could be a potential problem when picking out the features. Not every chart is going to contain the same amount and so some will be more in depth than others...are you sure we couldn't just use the automated charts they use on astrology websites? Seems like it would be more fair than us picking stuff out...it would be more work maybe but only in terms of people reading a bit more which we could warn them about before hand.....that's unless you can see an easy solution to that problem, in which case I'd be happy to do it in the way you suggested.

How would we know which are the most salient features? Couldn't we just copy/paste the whole description or would that be too labour intensive for the participants?

I'd be interested (for curiosity's sake) to help devise an astrology test for the forum if you'd like. Clearly you don't think previous studies are any good and it should be easy to make one here wouldn't you say? We could even incorporate sidereal into the mix and see which if any produces better results. I'm thinking of something along the lines of getting people who've never read their natal chart before give us their details, we then produce their real chart and a few random ones, then get them to pick the one that describes them best. If it works then more should pick the right one, as opposed to chance. We wouldn't be able to totally ensure that people aren't lying or faking somehow, that they said they never read their chart but really have done, and a number of others things but it might be doable. What do you think? Any ideas?

Yes I think you are right there. In my situation I suffered way too much to ever want to deal with that kind of pain again. So that is why I wouldn't go back to him or any other intj who resembles that. I think we aren't compatiable and it should just remain like that.

Thanks for the offer to read my chart. I will need to get the accurate birth time from my mother.

Very good points. Although, could it be facilitating social isolation?

Well said.

thanks for such a rich, enjoyable, completely absorbing and food for thought conversation. I could talk about this stuff all damn day.

*runs off to begin exploring this*

I have the charts of about 20 people and the MBTI results for them so this should be interesting.

LOL. I won't dominate your VM wall with this but last thing: Jupiter conjunct Pluto

A conjunction of Jupiter and Pluto confers the determination to achieve goals that will bring about improvements for both you and others. You have a very strong and penetrating insight, and a good deal of leadership ability. You are determined to enjoy life to its fullest. Dedicated to your ideals, you have a bit of the zealot in you.

Strikes me as a very well realized INTJ description - one who has realized their potential and presents as a leader in some way. There are some pretty amazing INTJ leaders out there. Given that a conjunction dominates the chart in some way, does this particularly resonate with you?

wow. Moon in Cancer - I'd imagine that lends itself quite well to introversion - do you find those traits to be dominant for you given it's in its home planet? What house is your Moon in? Strikes me that Mars in Virgo would also be conducive to INTJ as well.

and yeah Venus exalted in Pisces can screw off

As an afterthought (I get a tad obsessive when my interest is piqued) Do you think the correlation between MBTI and astrology is found more in the aspects? Placements? combination?

What are your Moon Mercury Venus and Mars in?

I love having Mars in Scorpio but loathe having Venus in Pisces - I think Mercury is well placed in Aquarius.