Oh and the 2nd reason, I sucked with social interactions and used to call myself being "awkward" and then I started watching and making mental note of what people would do to convey certain emotions, WHY that conveyed their emotion, and slowly I began to piece it all together. And now at this point, I can psychoanalyze people (at an amateur level of course) really quickly and pick up on their reasoning and interact with people REALLY well. Like, I enjoy interacting with all MBIT types because everyone has their own unique perspective to learn from, and I can literally learn things I would have NEVER pieced together on my own because I merely talked to people XD.

Yeah I used to experience that reaction, and then I learned to stop saying it like that XD. Instead I say, "I'm like an amateur clinical psychologist. I wanna go to grad school for it!" and they generally are like "oh wow that's so cool" when really...it's the equivalent to people watching except it's the socially acceptable version.

I like people watching because humans DO seem to actually fall into the categorization systems that Myers Briggs set up. That's the part that really caught my attention. When I noticed how well the generic INTJ description fit me, I instantly was hooked. However, as you may have noticed, some of the things don't fit, and that's where the real fun began. I started questioning why they don't fit some cases, and that's literally why I'm gonna go into clinical psychology for grad school because it's fun and doing research in that field would make me happy AND make me money XD.

Yes, I rely very much on my own experience and perception. However, to keep from being ignorant, I also try to see things from another's standpoint.

After all, we're all "mad" in some way or another, aren't we?
What is normality but a subjective term? 'Normal' can depend on one's culture, way of living, location, religion.
I don't believe there is a universal "normal", therefore there is no true "weird". It's just what we perceive things to be.

It's Japanese for mad, disturbed and the like.
As a child, I was bullied and picked on often for being different, so I've taken that title and wore it like a badge of pride.

Thanks! I love feedback, so I truly appreciate your comment =P. It's hard to know what one "knows" without external validation from others, so senku senku!

A bit intimidating, yes. You seem to be an exceptionally well-mannered one though, or maybe my perception of them is just very unrealistic. Hmm, though I'm also often paranoid about forming conceptions of types based on online people because then I can't know if they're mistyped and all the data I'm learning is misplaced.

(Hence also why I've begun to develop my own visual-reading methods and such. But that's another topic entirely!)

Well I actually come from some other forum... woah, it's censoring the name. Thanks. I'll let you know what I come up with. ^^

Oh! ..by community do you mean like, city? country?

I see. Welp, there are plenty of non-relationship topics around I think. Though I've noticed there's something gravitating about them even for Rational types. I think rationals sometimes end up devoting all their analytical capacities toward untangling the mysteries of the emotional world. Or maybe that's just me.

Ah, I'm not too sure why I left. But I think I generally felt unwelcome or something. I ended up posting more on another forum. But I am returning because there's a lot I don't know about INTJs and I always prefer firsthand exposure.

yay! \o/

hi. it seems you're kinda new here too. how're you finding things?

Ah, so we've got a pianist on our hands? I love the piano. I play basically everything except double reeds and brass. I'm learning trumpet though. My main axe is classical alto saxophone for now.

Playing infront of people always scared me because I was shy. Not only as a player but as a person. I felt uncomfortable talking to people to order food or talking to a sales associate, etc.) I solved both these problems when I decided to say "to hell with it!" And play my face off with confidence infront of people.

I never open up to anyone usually. It's hard to contain something as irrational as my emotions. If I open up to someone and make myself vulnerable then I become sensitive and start fearing they might say or do something that wouldn't scathe someone else but cuts me to the bone.

It's different here. Most of us are INTJs and understand each other so I can trust that the people here. I usually go on here in my free time: mornings, nights, once or twice during the actual day.

well, i'm a musician. my view of "fun" is cynical. i spend HOURS cooped up in a practice room working on a song someone's gonna hear once. so yeah, i enjoy the frustration of typing people. i love a good, stimulating challenge. "life is indeed interesting" -could not agree more.

slothfulness... ain't that one of the 7 deadliest? not like sin matters though if you take the rest of that book into context.

and anything that makes an INTJ get in touch with their emotions is important. one must first understand oneself before understanding others. the same thing happens with me (go figure) it starts building up and then you short-wire when the floodgates burst open.

if you keep pushing yourself without taking time to consider how you feel you become depressed and completely detached. going through the motions w/o a lucid thought. and the end of it, you're out of service until you can recharge yourself and sort out the unkempt mess that was left to grow unchecked.

yup! us INTJs gosta sticks togethers! *reassuring pat on back*

i almost wanted to say it was my SJ influences and i'm sure that has something to do with it but ENFJ makes more sense for the stronger desire to teach than to help. i help by teaching and, sure, i like doing things for people but it's not for them rather the greater good. it really cuts me though when they turn down my help because i want the system to succeed (ISTJ-ish)

it really frustrates me how variable people are when i'm trying to type them. my core is obviously INTJ and those aspects fit me constantly but it's a mater of filtering through everyone's conditionals to find their real center. pain in the neck!

i am very uncomfortable with stillness. it makes me feel bad about myself, even guilty, that i'm not doing something i should be doing but i simply cant motivate myself to do or am too tired to do.

this is true. for a long time i was ignorant of the differences but it caught up to me and really tore me down. i'm no longer happy in my world of isolation and i yearn for human embrace. the biggest step to this is overcoming the differences.

why do you seem so shocked about my enneagram results? they actually seemed very accurate. it said 6w5, 8w9, 3w2 but i felt that 3w2 was more accurate than 8w9. Based on this site's interpretation, for me, whenever 9 is manifested it seems to be the negative side.

as my enneagram indicates, i like progress. complacency is suicide.

welcome to the forum

I figured it was but I wanted to hear it from you, an authority on what time you live in, lol. I never was good at time zone math. I'll be sure to look that book up. You have an author name?

Theoretically, one could prove you wrong by scoring 100% as one personality at least 30 times in a row. Conversely one could also prove us both right but doing the same but scoring 50% towards each side. Just because something hasn't happened before just means it hasn't been done yet. I put my Enneagram results in my "about me".

I suppose your complacency observation is rather accurate, a classic human archetype. We just have more to be complacent about. I haven't done much traveling and nothing out of country. Myrtle Beach SC (I hate the beach),Disney World in Florida, Tucson Arizona, Chicago IL. Boston, MA was by far my favorite. Such a wonderful city. I've been around the states near me too of course. I actually don't like traveling that much but when I do I usually enjoy it.

yep, i finished. i procrastinate way to much into the night and talking this late at night keeps me awake enough to finish. now i just happen to be up (btw what time is it there it's 3:15 over here)

I'm my own enigma. (caused by flipping inside 2 letters. ISFJ is INTJ's) if i prefer to be an EXXJ then i'm 2 enigmas at once not including my original and alter personality (OMG! I'm psychotic, but it's okay.) I can probably attest to the drunkINTJ=soberENTP thing. it sounds about right. and maybe you'll get to see my "warmth and insight about people" ENFJ-ness sometime.

I'm assuming (before i check) that those Enneagram tests are online. I'll be taking one after this post, thank you for the recommendations.

and don't you think that people outside of the US are generally smarter and more knowledgeable? My country is stupid. land of the free and all that but still, we're idiots with too much freedom and no discipline (compared to many of those in other countries).

lol! hun, i'm old enough to manage my sleeping schedule...besides, i gotta get this damn report done. you're actually helping believe it or not. i'm being an extrovert and Es feed off of conversation.

oh my lord, an ESFP? really? you couldnt be more opposite that way. my persona is usually more like an ENTP or an ENFJ. i love my "N" even if no one gets it. i think it would be interesting to be an ESTP.

tell me more about Enneagrams/types. i hear everyone talking about it but i never learned what it was. also, if you s/n reflects your real name then you sound rather Americanized. and you do this english thing so well. is it true that people overseas speak english better than we do (lol) or did you move?

That's a good idea. I have an INFP friend that swears shes the listening type but she usually gives me really damn good advice, haha.

I totally agree with the SJ parent thing. I'm very non-empathetic but i've learned what to say/do to create the illusion that i'm emotionally involved. I also have an innate nature to help someone whenever I can. No matter how uninvolved I am, it's almost a duty for me to help others. and yeah, the parent this is a discussion in and of itself

I don't really know any SPs but the NFs have that same effect on me. Before I knew it, I was putting myself out there to be friends with people. and shush up, i play nice! I don't bite that much! lmao!

i can't stand talking without hearing advice. what's the point of stating a problem if you don't get an answer? idk why others do it and i don't really know how to react when people just want someone to listen. i'm hellbent on figuring out solutions.

also the SJ thing shows. both of us sound a bit more rounded. on one of those "i prefer to be" MBTI quizzes i got EXXJ. my dad's an ISTJ w/ Aspergers (i have it too) and my mother is an ISFJ. bad paring. didn't end well.

in much the same way. i don't see it as a barrier to anything. i know what i want.