I don't expect too much from the forum anyway

There...

It's complicated to expose the facts...

what?

haha you're saying what I'm thinking!

She is difficult to deal with, has posted good points from time to time but her problem is negatively assuming and blaming... accusing. Too much bitternes there, we could plug her to a generator and light up and entire country.

Makes sense in this context. We all want to go somewhere, getting there is another issue!

A friend used to say "women think more about what they want and where they want to go, we think more on how... to get there"

Thanks, if you feel like reading, after doing a search found this: http://bit.ly/MME4yH (the same title) not saying that I agree, it was just a refreshing reading with very direct ideas from the author

Exactly

Ha ha ha everything you said exactly!

	Seems like you're comfortable with yourself!

Actually yes. Many things need work but I feel happy, in peace, stable.

	Are you dating this girl again?

Not currently but saw signs of potential at the end, I feel nothing yet, I look for red flags and want to be friends first more than anything with everyone before thinking on "dating". But something happened, she rarely allows male friends at home and yet... we talked from saturday lunch, continued at home till midnight and then... early morning having breakfast... 6AM, said "gotta go" but she continued the conversation. No sex and no sleep. It was an accident... So I feel kinda weird regarding how a woman will react to that, or what does that mean in the long run for her, but no pressure nowhere, we are friends.

I can see clearly now. I know I have a trend as a caretaker, and she hasn't been taken cared of (was that well written?) and she is aware of her need, she is independent wanting to be taken care of... so I don't want to allow opposite complementary roles to interfere.

I want to stay as friends. Thanks for asking.

Yes that's what I was asking and you answered the question. Yes I agree that a lot of women are told to chase men who have things more so than men. I also agree that men tend to get happier as they get older b/c they accumulate more stuff that they want and they care less about sex; which oddly makes us MORE desirable to women.

Seems like you're comfortable with yourself! Are you dating this girl again?

	haha what prompted the thinking about it?

Opps sorry, can you rephrase? do you mean what made me think on that direction???

Well actually I thought of that two days ago (and your post opened a lot of range). Because we men suffer going after women at some age, and women enjoy that. But as we grow, we men (at least it is a trend) do less to pursue women, they start coming to us, why? because we somehow (perhaps but there must be many other reasons) feel more confident while they feel the contrary.

Many men suffer to give women what they want. Many fail and many THEN refuse to keep doing that. I get is as a trend but not a general rule. So, it seem that women have a lot of protection while they grow up until that courtine falls and then, they have to manage it by themselves.

The article hit me hard and I like it. I read it, really. I talked this woman this weekend. It was funny. She is older than me by 4 years and has X expectations, ok. We dated like 10 years ago, I was younger (still am younger than her he he) well, she focused on things to get, you know, goals. Now, many years later we talk and I feel more in peace, confident. She feels stressed. Why? she works hard (I work hard too) but somehow I reached many of my goals, she is still strugling (and she is a beauty, trust me, she had many things "easy") and at some part of our conversation we talked about my house... she is still renting and said "I want my own house too, but it seems I'm already late for that".

"I said no, you are still in time, don't say that" but it was obvious to me that reaching goals was a very diff story between us, life has been in some ways "harder" to me.


I feel confortable sharing this idea with you:
I've been told and received lots of pressure regarding REACHING many things and GETTING other many since early age. She received messages regarding getting SOMEONE who had this things. At the end I focused on that, she was thinking on other things like traveling, concerts, etc... but nobody told her life won't forgive nobody. So, we invested time in diff ways. I worked really hard in the past, now? just hard... and things change, now I feel more like staying home. She is tired, feels like that too but just... can't!!!!


Sorry just wanted to answer the "why", was that it???



I guess there is a point where women GET the fact that nobody will give them anything, and if they do, it is not for free. Things should be earned.

haha what prompted the thinking about it?

Thanks for the article, nice reading, been thinking about that lately and served a lot for a private discussion.

absolutely!

LOL. It does make sense right??

Awesome comment. Beauty vs assholes... falling for beauty makes sense, falling for a jerk makes the person looks more stupid... (I won't post there, I won't feed those threads)

Thanks, I try. Believe me, I've been tempted many times.

Thinks are not looking good, pretty sad. BTW I enjoy your points of view, I find them very healthy and without aggression.