Type delusion

[Meyer]

When I first learned about type I didn't really want to believe I was INTJ. I spent a period of roughly six months believing I was one type or another. As you all know once you take the test once you can choose answers to give you whatever result you want. I basically was every type of rational and even one or two of the idealists:yuck:. The funny thing is whatever type I was pretending to be at the time did actually influence my behavior. Maybe it was because I had read so much on the types that I knew in general how they would be. Anyway once I had become so off balance, I had to be honest with myself and I must say now that I am more understanding of the ways in which I function, I'm damn happy to be here. I was wondering if any of you have had any similar experiences.

[BlackMita]

The opposite happened with me. I was like "That's SO me!" after taking the test, overly played up being INTJ, finally crashed and burned from "fallen angel" attitude, then went back to being my more inconsistent- err.. natural self.

[Jedi_sena]

I once took the test for fun, not realizing that it was anything other than entertainment. I tested as a field marshal. A few things seemed accurate, but when I took the test again, giving deeper thought to my answers I tested as an INTJ and then I was a believer! Those results were spooky, dead-on.
But my coworker was taking the test and got a field marshal result, but I am almost absolutely sure she's an artisan-performer. She took the test after nearly several in the office had tested out to be field marshals and heard all of our discussion and I think she was trying to answer the same so she wasn't different. I saw her answers and she was definitely dishonest on a number of them.

[Wildflower]

In college I tested 50-50 on the J-P axis and the counselor told me this was a "weakness" and that I just needed to pick which I would prefer to be. Well, who wouldn't want to be neater and more on time! ;)

For a long time I thought I was INFJ but then getting deeper into the subject and learning about the difference between Fi and Fe, I can now laugh, I was never, ever Fe. I am very certain about being INFP now.

Reading more about the deeper emergence of Te in the 30's helped me to also recognize myself as INFP and the struggles I was begining to have making peace between Fi and the growing Te.

[The Rose]

When I first learned about type I didn't really want to believe I was INTJ. I spent a period of roughly six months believing I was one type or another. As you all know once you take the test once you can choose answers to give you whatever result you want. I basically was every type of rational and even one or two of the idealists:yuck:. The funny thing is whatever type I was pretending to be at the time did actually influence my behavior. Maybe it was because I had read so much on the types that I knew in general how they would be. Anyway once I had become so off balance, I had to be honest with myself and I must say now that I am more understanding of the ways in which I function, I'm damn happy to be here. I was wondering if any of you have had any similar experiences.I didn't want to admit I was a T either.
But after about 6 months of studying about it, I realized that I'm mostly a T, but a lot of the descriptions of F fit me especially when describing their need to be authentic, and always be on a quest for self-improvement. So I consider myself an F on the inside.

[Wildflower]

I didn't want to admit I was a T either.
But after about 6 months of studying about it, I realized that I'm mostly a T, but a lot of the descriptions of F fit me especially when describing their need to be authentic, and always be on a quest for self-improvement. So I consider myself an F on the inside.

Dealing with being an F in this world :yuck: and having my T be inferior, it is hard for me to imagine someone wanting to be F. ;D

[Hdier]

When I first learned about type I didn't really want to believe I was INTJ. I spent a period of roughly six months believing I was one type or another. As you all know once you take the test once you can choose answers to give you whatever result you want. I basically was every type of rational and even one or two of the idealists:yuck:. The funny thing is whatever type I was pretending to be at the time did actually influence my behavior. Maybe it was because I had read so much on the types that I knew in general how they would be. Anyway once I had become so off balance, I had to be honest with myself and I must say now that I am more understanding of the ways in which I function, I'm damn happy to be here. I was wondering if any of you have had any similar experiences.

The same thing happened to me (I mean exactly the same), except that I had some misconceptions about T and F; this was before I took on painstaking research, and so I thought that T's didn't care about people, etc. Once I figured out what T and F really were, I was Fine with being an INTJ, though I wasn't sure if I was J or P at first (I just didn't get the scale very well; it was also confusing because I have a few P habits even though I'm J)

To end on the same note you did, I am also glad I'm here, because I have only found one person that is remotely similar to me (though to be fair, that one person was pratically my clone...or maybe I was his), and a lot of people here are, in a general sense.

[mind_wander]

When I first learned about type I didn't really want to believe I was INTJ. I spent a period of roughly six months believing I was one type or another. As you all know once you take the test once you can choose answers to give you whatever result you want. I basically was every type of rational and even one or two of the idealists:yuck:. The funny thing is whatever type I was pretending to be at the time did actually influence my behavior. Maybe it was because I had read so much on the types that I knew in general how they would be. Anyway once I had become so off balance, I had to be honest with myself and I must say now that I am more understanding of the ways in which I function, I'm damn happy to be here. I was wondering if any of you have had any similar experiences.


Actually, everyone who took the MBTI was in denial. Yeah right, this is me, my chances to find my horoscope is so much higher then this BS. But, you know what, when its so valid we can't help it and tend to deny it; this goes out to everyone. Next, realize its ok to accept it; finally take everyone into consideration. OK, MBTI is not a bunch of BS and mumbo jumbo. Well, its kinda like what other posters in here, felt the first time taking this.

Hdier,
Its a lonely world to find only your clone, who can really talked too; but in a way its a positive thing. At least you don't get frustrated, easily to communicate; if both sides gets frustrated, its more sarcasms then anything else.

[L30]

My actual lifestyle is mostly that of a INTP, but I often test as INTJ in online tests, so I can delude myself thinking I'm INTJ, but sadly I perfectly know that I'm much more on the INTP side :/
In other words, I'm a digital lazy bum with delusions of J-ish grandeur.

[The Rose]

My actual lifestyle is mostly that of a INTP, but I often test as INTJ in online tests, so I can delude myself thinking I'm INTJ, but sadly I perfectly know that I'm much more on the INTP side :/
In other words, I'm a digital lazy bum with delusions of J-ish grandeur.If you looked at my messy desk, you might think I'm a P but I'm not.

What do you mean by P lifestyle? You might be mistaken?

[Hdier]

If you looked at my messy desk, you might think I'm a P but I'm not.

What do you mean by P lifestyle? You might be mistaken?

My room appears messy, but it's actually a very complex organization, which I barely understand consciously, but always know where everything is (almost; even the most organized room will have something lost in it at some point).

I agree that you should elaborate, L30, because I have a few habits of P's (some of the big ones such as procrastination), but overall I prefer to be structured over adaptable (though I hate not being adaptable as well; my plans are usually vague for that reason; I will have a general idea of each step, and follow that idea, but the details are generally improvised).

I know that that probably sounded odd, but I'm odd, so it should.

[rwyatt365]

When I first took the MBTI test years ago I had hoped for a different outcome – I was looking to be one of the artsy types (since I drew and painted oils, and stuff like that). But when I read the full INTJ description I said, "Screw that art stuff, this is me!"

[Hdier]

What, we can't be artsy?

...

Never mind.

[Ijz]

When I first learned about type I didn't really want to believe I was INTJ. I spent a period of roughly six months believing I was one type or another. As you all know once you take the test once you can choose answers to give you whatever result you want. I basically was every type of rational and even one or two of the idealists:yuck:. The funny thing is whatever type I was pretending to be at the time did actually influence my behavior. Maybe it was because I had read so much on the types that I knew in general how they would be. Anyway once I had become so off balance, I had to be honest with myself and I must say now that I am more understanding of the ways in which I function, I'm damn happy to be here. I was wondering if any of you have had any similar experiences.

When I first read the INTJ description I felt it fit me very well. However I could also see stuff of me in other descriptions so I still wasn't 100% sure. Only after coming to this forum and reading other people's post did it feel like a home-coming. All my life I've been adapting to other people and trying to fit in. Only recently (before I got in depth into MBTI) have I come the conclusion that I have to be myself in all circumstances and environments in order to feel good about myself. Faking to be some-one else might work on the short-term but eventually reality will catch up and you'll end up being a figment of your own imagination. Coming to this forum has definitely strengthenth my beliefs and given me the confidence to continue this new path.

[Hdier]

Yeah, coming here pretty much convinced me because of how everyone seemed so similar to me, in a general sense.

[rwyatt365]

What, we can't be artsy?

...

Never mind.
...only in an intellectual, detached manner. "Intuitively creative"

[GOD]

I first did the test on a University course, we had to do tests on each other and then analyse the results.

The other person I was doing the test on, stopped coming back to the tutorial so I never actually got my results! (Although I self tested via the same process and saw the type... I knew I'd be it inuitively anyway).

Biggest thing that surprised me, is that 1:100 are supposed to think my way. I actually don't believe it. If people score say +75 on both N & T and are definitely not a P coupled with a high IQ, a strong will/mind (And a 3,5,8 or 7 on enneagram) then I'll say there are some similarities. I believe 1:1000 or 5000 is more likely.

I also think theres more than a few so called INTJs on this board that are in fact not. Or they must be very close to the border.

[Hdier]

...only in an intellectual, detached manner. "Intuitively creative"

That's why I said never mind (I mean, of course, the steriotype personality of 'artsy types', not being good at art)

[GOD]

...only in an intellectual, detached manner. "Intuitively creative"

INTJ's can be very very creative.

The big difference is that there will be lots of logic in it. In the techniques or the message or something.

INTJs think, so there will always be that underlying thought coming through somewhere. I think INTJs would be great at Modern art, simply because its fast and can relay lots of information (More message and less time).

[rwyatt365]

INTJ's can be very very creative.

The big difference is that there will be lots of logic in it. In the techniques or the message or something.

INTJs think, so there will always be that underlying thought coming through somewhere. I think INTJs would be great at Modern art, simply because its fast and can relay lots of information (More message and less time).
Actually, I dislike most "modern art" simply because I feel that (many times) the "artist" is laughing their ass off by attributing some deep philosophical rationale to a meaningless piece of drivel. "Look, I'll paint a black dot on a white canvas and call it 'The Meaning of Life', then charge $10,000 for it. What a bunch of idiots!" I won't be had like that.

[Hdier]

Actually, I dislike most "modern art" simply because I feel that (many times) the "artist" is laughing their ass off by attributing some deep philosophical rationale to a meaningless piece of drivel. "Look, I'll paint a black dot on a white canvas and call it 'The Meaning of Life', then charge $10,000 for it. What a bunch of idiots!" I won't be had like that.

I think that that probably happens about a third of the time.

Why do people say Doctors and Lawyers get a lot of money? They work An artist can just but a bunch of globs of clay together, call it 'the symbolism of humanity' and get set for the year! :laugh:

(No offense to any artists reading this)

[L30]

If you looked at my messy desk, you might think I'm a P but I'm not.
What do you mean by P lifestyle? You might be mistaken?



I agree that you should elaborate, L30, because I have a few habits of P's (some of the big ones such as procrastination), but overall I prefer to be structured over adaptable (though I hate not being adaptable as well; my plans are usually vague for that reason; I will have a general idea of each step, and follow that idea, but the details are generally improvised).


I procastinate and generally don't care about what happens. I don't care about deadlines, rules, authority, fixed structures... I only respect those things because of the imposed threat that comes with not respecting them. I don't understand people who live by the clock and by the rules, the strictness is just stupid to me.
I must understand things but have no strong drive to apply nor to communicate my thoughts (and this is just bad in absolute terms..).
I'm indecisive, skeptical, able to analyze and defend any viewpoint without actually choosing. I don't have firm beliefs. If I HAVE to decide something I also HAVE to absorb all the information available on that subject, otherwise I can't be content with the decision. I'm slow, I really hate it when I'm forced to decide something on the spot, I need time to think.
And lastly, my father, an xSTJ, despises me.

I can be J sometimes, when I'm in the context of something I already understand deeply (such as computers) or something that I already thought and planned ahead.
I can force myself to get stuff done in extreme cases, but it's stressful.

[Hdier]

To warn you in advance, I am going to deal with these separately, than consider them as a whole (so what I say might sound a bit odd). Also, I am assuming that everything is consistent, and not sparatic.

I procastinate and generally don't care about what happens.

While it is a P trait, procrastination does occur among J's (I'm a good example) :)

I don't care about deadlines, rules, authority, fixed structures... I only respect those things because of the imposed threat that comes with not respecting them.

I want to clarify something really quick: INTJ's don't respect authority figures just for their authority; they start off a little bit higher than other people, but they have to earn our respect like everyone else. (I'm not sure if you know this or not, but I want to make sure you do)

Other than that, that does sound very P-ish

I don't understand people who live by the clock and by the rules, the strictness is just stupid to me.

Just because someone is J doesn't mean that they will automatically say 'OK, at 3:05 I start playing chess and at 4:05 I stop', or whatever, so if you could elaborate a little bit more on this, that would help me.

I must understand things but have no strong drive to apply nor to communicate my thoughts (and this is just bad in absolute terms..).

That is very P-ish.

I'm indecisive, skeptical, able to analyze and defend any viewpoint without actually choosing. I don't have firm beliefs. If I HAVE to decide something I also HAVE to absorb all the information available on that subject, otherwise I can't be content with the decision. I'm slow, I really hate it when I'm forced to decide something on the spot, I need time to think.
And lastly, my father, an xSTJ, despises me.

First bold: That's related to being P, but I don't think that it really shows if you're P or J. Especially if you're a thinker, it is easy to dissect something and create an argument for it.

Second bold: Can you give an example of this? This is another tricky one that's close to being T as well, because it's hard to make a logical decision without facts (though many people still try to). However, this is another P-ish thing.

Third bold: So?

I can be J sometimes, when I'm in the context of something I already understand deeply (such as computers) or something that I already thought and planned ahead.
I can force myself to get stuff done in extreme cases, but it's stressful.

What exactly do you mean by 'be J'? Also, planning ahead is a J thing.





When I put it all together, it sounds like you might be like me, only opposite. It sounds like your pretty close to a balance of P and J, but still on the P side.

[L30]

Just because someone is J doesn't mean that they will automatically say 'OK, at 3:05 I start playing chess and at 4:05 I stop', or whatever, so if you could elaborate a little bit more on this, that would help me.
Uhm, maybe a true J wouldn't play chess at all... it's a purely theoretical and unproductive activity :P
Often I'm playful even on the job, while all the (S)Js are like someone shove something up their asses.. like, "we do that (now) or the world will fall to pieces"..
Then there are those who can't stand doing nothing for a minute, and the ones who everything-must-be-done-their-way.
The true J says you're a lazy bastard if you don't plan and do everything behind schedule.
No, really, I'm sooo much more laid back than most people. I don't necessarily like this trait, sometimes it's better, sometimes not.


Second bold: Can you give an example of this? This is another tricky one that's close to being T as well, because it's hard to make a logical decision without facts (though many people still try to). However, this is another P-ish thing.
Well, for example I have to buy a lcd screen but I'm delaying because I don't want to choose without enough info, but I know that gaining "enough info" will take some time to browse through the specs, the benchmarks etc.... and for some reason I don't want to do that right now......:/
Maybe a real J would be more decisive even if the choice is not perfect or even semi-random. I can do this but I'm not very happy doing it.


Third bold: So?
My xSTJ father despises me because A)I don't conform to his views on how one should live, B)I dare do stuff and think my own way instead of his.
I've been a disappointment for him the first day I woke up and did anything else before making the bed. Yeah, structure is everything :/


What exactly do you mean by 'be J'? Also, planning ahead is a J thing.
I'm capable of planning time (I'm never late to appointments, never lost a train etc..) but I seldom do it. My free time is completely random. Forcing myself to study a fixed amount of time every day is a herculean task (and actually it rarely succeeded).
In the few contexts where I'm competent enough, I can take the lead, order people around, decide how things are to be done. I don't do it very often, but when I do, it's evident. Also, on the job sometimes I had to remind myself not to be bossy with the younger ones.
Compared to most people I'm quiet anyway. I see the archetypal J as a decisive/leader type in any general situation, where on the contrary I'm usually laid back and agreeable also with family/friends etc.

[Hdier]

Actually, chess can help stimulate the brain and learn good strategy, among other things.

I dispute with my dad on many issues as well, but I'm J. Free thinking is a P thing.

All in all, it sounds like you were right and you are P. One more thing that I'd like to say, though, is that you should think about when you were younger. What were you disciplined and rewarded for? The MBTI measures what you naturally do, not what you learned to do.

BF

[The Rose]

I procastinate and generally don't care about what happens. I don't care about deadlines, rules, authority, fixed structures... I only respect those things because of the imposed threat that comes with not respecting them. I don't understand people who live by the clock and by the rules, the strictness is just stupid to me.
I must understand things but have no strong drive to apply nor to communicate my thoughts (and this is just bad in absolute terms..).
I'm indecisive, skeptical, able to analyze and defend any viewpoint without actually choosing. I don't have firm beliefs. If I HAVE to decide something I also HAVE to absorb all the information available on that subject, otherwise I can't be content with the decision. I'm slow, I really hate it when I'm forced to decide something on the spot, I need time to think.
And lastly, my father, an xSTJ, despises me.

I can be J sometimes, when I'm in the context of something I already understand deeply (such as computers) or something that I already thought and planned ahead.
I can force myself to get stuff done in extreme cases, but it's stressful.So, wouldn't you think you're mostly a P then, with some J?

[Hdier]

That's what I was attempting to say. Why can't I ever give a simple explanation?

[Hypomanic]

I debated being an ISTp... I know.

I just figured that I used Se and Ti A LOT, plus I was big on introversion.
I then learned that practically NO ONE is strictly an introvert or an extrovert.
I'm 48% introverted and 52% extroverted. Keirsey sums it up:

The more refined versions of Rationals include Fieldmarshals and Inventors. Both correlate to the Myers "Extrovert" letter in that they have something in common regarding their expressiveness towards the outside world. The problem is the E of ENTJ or an ENTP is quite different conceptually from the E as in ESFJ (Provider Guardian) even though some of the outside behavior aspects can be close.

The Fieldmarshall is not "extroverted" very much, and the Inventor is even less. Sure, both the Fieldmarshal and the Inventor can be "gregarious" or "not shy", in fact they can be sometimes overbearing. They are usually pretty friendly at parties and open to people to some extent. Although they don't have to be. Moreover, if Fieldmarshal is finding a particular person "boring" (and that can be in a few seconds) he quickly will find any excuse to exit the scene very quickly or rake the person over the coals, so to make sure that person realizes he is not considered worthy. So the Fieldmarshal is an "extrovert" with a purpose (they are pragmatic -- their sociability is often contingent). Sometimes that purpose can be very narrow, such that the common notion of "extrovert" is not well suited for the Fieldmarshal. Same is true with the Inventor. The Inventor often appears like an Artisan Promoter, always interested in having an "interesting" time. Only the difference is the Inventor is "looking" for new experiences, new ideas, or some way to promote his ideas, so those who don't help in this endeavor are quickly cast off. That is, the Inventor is an "extrovert" with an interest (outer-directed might be a better term), and that specific interest often being so narrow that the term "extrovert" is misleading. Although in casual acquaintance they appear to be "extroverted."

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[Night]

I would say that my closest "silhouette" MBTI would be the ENTJ.

I find that I can be problematically decisive and work to reduce dissent, such as my enfeeblements permit.

Does anyone else feel their pulse occasionally sneer towards the ENTJ archetype?

[Meyer]

I would say that I may seem a bit ENTJ when working towards a goal. Its usually " get on board or get the f--- out of my way". I am making a serious effort to tone this down however. I have reached a point in my life where I understand that,at least for me, accomplishing my goals is not worth completely alienating myself from those around me. Especially those that I care about.

[Solaris]

My xSTJ father despises me because A)I don't conform to his views on how one should live, B)I dare do stuff and think my own way instead of his.
I've been a disappointment for him the first day I woke up and did anything else before making the bed. Yeah, structure is everything :/

Sounds more like the INTJ high need for independence expressing itself as rebellion against an overly structured parent than a problem knowing whether you are J or P. That's just my thoughts though.

[Zilal]

After I read the INTJ description, full of things I had always thought I was weird or wrong for doing/thinking, I liked MBTI quite a bit and while I don't think it can be applied to the real world as much as some people seem to think it can, I know it's helped me be more comfortable with myself.

It was all from how well the description fit me. I'm a huge skeptic, and with personality tests/astrology/etc. I always checked the other descriptions to see if they also fit me. With a poor system, of course, they do. But with MBTI, even INFJ, ENTJ, INTP are way off from how I am. So I've never wandered about any in my conception of what my "best fit" type is.

But I also see different things in the I, N, T and J than a lot of people do. I don't think introverted means I can't talk a lot around my friends, I don't think intuitive means I can't be good at practicality too, I don't think T means I'm not an INTJ because I care about people's feelings and I don't think the J means I can't be laid-back or procrastinate. I know that I recharge by being alone, tend to want the big picture, tend to want to be logical and tend to want things planned out, and I fit the INTJ description, and that's all I need. (I know, total J.)

[Antares]

I once took the test for fun, not realizing that it was anything other than entertainment. I tested as a field marshal. A few things seemed accurate, but when I took the test again, giving deeper thought to my answers I tested as an INTJ and then I was a believer! Those results were spooky, dead-on.
But my coworker was taking the test and got a field marshal result, but I am almost absolutely sure she's an artisan-performer. She took the test after nearly several in the office had tested out to be field marshals and heard all of our discussion and I think she was trying to answer the same so she wasn't different. I saw her answers and she was definitely dishonest on a number of them.

I tested ENTJ as well, and I didn't really believe it (because I could never imagine myself as an E) and forgot about MBTI until much later, I tested INTJ and was in denial for a while. I didn't want to think that I was intuitive, arrogant or idealistic. My parents, who are both 'S's, instilled this belief in me that somehow being realistic is 'better'. Now, I realize that both have advantages and they are actually quite equal and I've come to terms with my true self.

It's quite strange now that I think of it. I have many 'P' habits, but I've never been tested as a P. I sometimes wonder if I could be an INTP, but my test results seem to disagree.

[curious1]

The opposite happened with me. I was like "That's SO me!" after taking the test, overly played up being INTJ, finally crashed and burned from "fallen angel" attitude, then went back to being my more inconsistent- err.. natural self.

What do you mean by "fallen angel" attitude? I have felt like this my whole life. Like as a child, I was saintly, but then I turned to the dark side. I always thought I was an INFP because of it.