Love is emotional or rational

[terencec]

I believe if a truely rational human being, he has no love (hate) feeling. Part of love (hate) is emotional feeling. So, there is no human absolutely rational! Do we say God "loves people"? So Is God absolutely rational?

[niffer]

There is no proof suggesting that just because something has emotions, it cannot simultaneously be rational. Furthermore, rationality is a human-made concept. Of course, no human with the ability to feel emotion is guaranteed to act totally rationally all of the time. There is no such thing as what you are describing, besides machines, and even then machines often have flaws.

>_> Why would you think God would be absolutely rational?

[Solaris]

Wouldn't God be the ultimate XXXX? After all, if he is the Alpha and the Omega, then He is probably balanced. Of course, this is built on my human limitations and logic.

[niffer]

The Christian God is not a human, and so shouldn't have a type. The closest equivalent to God would be...

..That he would BE the typing system! @_@

[Tarrick]

I dunno about that Niffer.

Anyways, "love" is not an emotion, it's like friendship. How do you define that?
However, it does spark an emotion, more often or not depending, that we commonly point to as love.

In my opinion.

[niffer]

The word love is kind of like the word fuck.

[terencec]

>_> There is no such thing as what you are describing, besides machines, and even then machines often have flaws. Why would you think God would be absolutely rational?

My conclusion is also only machine can be absolutely rational. I believe the more rational the person is, the more he is like a machine. On one hand, rational is desirable, on the other hand, became a machine is undesirable unless someone does not need a job or interact with another person!

If even God is not absolutely rational, sometimes he acts by emotion. I don't feel very comfortable. In general, I believe it is dangerous to act by feelings because the decision may not be fair or the best unless we accept God is not absolutely fair or make the best decision. I can't help thinking that my former boss. She acted on her feelings. Her feelings might depend only on her mood or her PMS cycle. I hated it so much.

I never take any risk to work for a woman since then! I go even further that I prefer not to have any female coworker in my group.

[Santana28]

Love is completely rational and voluntary i have discovered...

[terencec]

Love is completely rational and voluntary i have discovered...

Please give the reasons!

I keep thinking how love can be absolutely rational. Part of love is emotional without any reason.

[Paul V]

I am astonished by the sheer amount of topics being debated at once. I'm going to take my time to separate the topics in your posts and address them in an orderly fashion later on. I just don't have the time at the moment.

All I can say regarding the main question is: What is really Love? How can we define it? Depending on the chosen definition, we might be inclined to answer either way. I suggest you find a suitable definition for this concept, so we can all work with a certain degree of certainty (pardon the redundance).

[terencec]

I am astonished by the sheer amount of topics being debated at once. I'm going to take my time to separate the topics in your posts and address them in an orderly fashion later on. I just don't have the time at the moment.

All I can say regarding the main question is: What is really Love? How can we define it? Depending on the chosen definition, we might be inclined to answer either way. I suggest you find a suitable definition for this concept, so we can all work with a certain degree of certainty (pardon the redundance).

Let's define the love here the way below, especially the love between man and woman (couples). This is the Love I want to discuss,

Interpersonal love refers to love between human beings. It is a more potent sentiment than a simple liking for another. Unrequited love refers to those feelings of love which are not reciprocated. Interpersonal love is most closely associated with interpersonal relationships. Such love might exist between family members, friends, and couples. There are also a number of psychological disorders related to love, such as erotomania.

[terencec]

The Christian God is not a human, and so shouldn't have a type. The closest equivalent to God would be...

..That he would BE the typing system! @_@

If Christian God has MTBI type, he should be 'INTJ'. That is why we never see him in the party or hear his voice because he is absolutely 'I'.:) However, I am wondering if he is absolutely rational.

[terencec]

Please give reasons why you think love is rational. I doubt many people can accept Love is not "tatally" rational especailly for INTJ. Most INTJ are perfectists. It is hard for them to admit they are not absolutely rational to Love/Hate someone.

[The Rose]

My conclusion is also only machine can be absolutely rational. I believe the more rational the person is, the more he is like a machine. On one hand, rational is desirable, on the other hand, became a machine is undesirable unless someone does not need a job or interact with another person!

If even God is not absolutely rational, sometimes he acts by emotion. I don't feel very comfortable. In general, I believe it is dangerous to act by feelings because the decision may not be fair or the best unless we accept God is not absolutely fair or make the best decision. I can't help thinking that my former boss. She acted on her feelings. Her feelings might depend only on her mood or her PMS cycle. I hated it so much.

I never take any risk to work for a woman since then! I go even further that I prefer not to have any female coworker in my group.I know how you feel.
I hate working for/with women also - unless she's an NT.

[ArtisticThinker]

I know how you feel.
I hate working for/with women also - unless she's an NT.

You "hate" working for/with women "unless" she's an NT. Interesting choice of words. you experience emotions of hate had you worked for an emotional person unless she has a specific score on MBTI which brings up the assumption that she is not a "feeler".
Yes, you make sense.

[The Rose]

You "hate" working for/with women "unless" she's an NT. Interesting choice of words. you experience emotions of hate had you worked for an emotional person unless she has a specific score on MBTI which brings up the assumption that she is not a "feeler".
Yes, you make sense.Who made you my judge?

I believe if a truely rational human being, he has no love (hate) feeling. Part of love (hate) is emotional feeling. So, there is no human absolutely rational! Do we say God "loves people"? So Is God absolutely rational?I have been taught that the highest form of love is that which seeks the highest good of the other person.
That kind of love acts apart from how it is feeling about a certain person and therefore is rational, not emotional.


Love is patient and kind;
it is not jealous or conceited or proud;
love is not ill-mannered or selfish or irritable;
love does not keep a record of wrongs; love is not happy with evil, but is happy with the truth.
Love never gives up; and its faith, hope, and patience never fail.
1 Corinthians 13:4-7 GNB

[terencec]

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God love is unconditional. I am wondering if unconditional love is rational. I believe there are people who are bad enough and they deserve to be destroyed since they cannot be changed. Or in general, is unconditonal love (without any limit) rational?

[Santana28]

Please give the reasons!

I keep thinking how love can be absolutely rational. Part of love is emotional without any reason.

Sorry...i would have posted it last night but it was 4am and i needed to sleep :)

In my mind, love is "life" itself - it is the creative and destructive element. Love and Hate are two heads of the same entity (life), and the opposing entity is apathy or indifference (anti-life).

Emotions, as we all know, can be wholly apart and independant of rational thought. At times our emotions themselves contradict what our head is telling us. To "love" someone, in my eyes, is in actuality the quest for perfection and ultimate harmony in mind, body and soul.. in ourselves, through ourselves, and in and through those who choose to embark on that journey with us. In my life there are very few things i "hate" - apathy, indifference, unwillingness, stasis, and fear. To me, the ultimate negative i can have towards someone or something is to be apathetic towards it - to have no will, emotion, or thought for it at all; it is unworthy of consideration. If i "hate" someone or something i am demonstrating respect for that person or thing in the belief that through my "hate" or "anger" i am working towards an ultimate creative, harmonious, and mutually beneficial end.

In my life i value friendship above all other relationships. I love my friends - willfully loving them. Emotionally, who knows - my feelings are always extremely mixed. I can simultaneously feel fond for and also repulsed by someone. Physical love... just a further expression of the basic creative desire at its most...at its least just an itch to be scratched, or a means to an end.

I'm sorry if none of that makes any sense. defining love has been a topic of interest for me most of my life (parental love, emotional love, God's love, physical love, and so on). I'll have to dig up some of my journals on this subject. Anyways, thats just how it works in my head.

God is love; Love is not God. Dwell on that one for a bit.

[The Rose]

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God love is unconditional. I am wondering if unconditional love is rational. I believe there are people who are bad enough and they deserve to be destroyed since they cannot be changed. Or in general, is unconditional love (without any limit) rational?Unconditional love must be rational. If it was based on feelings, it wouldn't be unconditional (because feelings are always changing).

PS:
That Wisconsin website is irrational, and I'm serious.

[Santana28]

wow, i can't believe noone has commented about my love theory yet. i was waiting for the onslaught :)

[Nomad]

wow, i can't believe noone has commented about my love theory yet. i was waiting for the onslaught :)

I don't agree with everything you posted, but it makes sense, and in fact dovetails with my spirituality. Why should engage in onslaught?

-Nomad

[Santana28]

I don't agree with everything you posted, but it makes sense, and in fact dovetails with my spirituality. Why should engage in onslaught?

-Nomad

i'm not sure how much i posted on the subject but it compliments and is essential to my personal theology as well...

onslaught? ah...i just forgot where i was posting. elsewhere, others don't really enjoy having their core ideals challenged.... ;)

[ps646566]

The Christian/Moslem/Judaic God is type XXXX -- believe it.

[Solaris]

wow, i can't believe noone has commented about my love theory yet. i was waiting for the onslaught :)

I thought it stated your thoughts pretty well. Also, I agree with it. The first time I read the words "love is not the opposite of hate, it is indifference" , I thought: "Yes! That's it, that's completely true." You just took that further.

Hate is generally misguided love for a person I once respected, but have had cause to cease having this respect. There is true hatred, however, that is nothing like love. This hatred is rarely experienced by people, but it does exist.

[rwyatt365]

In my mind, love is "life" itself - it is the creative and destructive element. Love and Hate are two heads of the same entity (life), and the opposing entity is apathy or indifference (anti-life).

Emotions, as we all know, can be wholly apart and independant of rational thought. At times our emotions themselves contradict what our head is telling us. To "love" someone, in my eyes, is in actuality the quest for perfection and ultimate harmony in mind, body and soul.. in ourselves, through ourselves, and in and through those who choose to embark on that journey with us. In my life there are very few things i "hate" - apathy, indifference, unwillingness, stasis, and fear. To me, the ultimate negative i can have towards someone or something is to be apathetic towards it - to have no will, emotion, or thought for it at all; it is unworthy of consideration. If i "hate" someone or something i am demonstrating respect for that person or thing in the belief that through my "hate" or "anger" i am working towards an ultimate creative, harmonious, and mutually beneficial end.

In my life i value friendship above all other relationships. I love my friends - willfully loving them. Emotionally, who knows - my feelings are always extremely mixed. I can simultaneously feel fond for and also repulsed by someone. Physical love... just a further expression of the basic creative desire at its most...at its least just an itch to be scratched, or a means to an end.

I'm sorry if none of that makes any sense. defining love has been a topic of interest for me most of my life (parental love, emotional love, God's love, physical love, and so on). I'll have to dig up some of my journals on this subject. Anyways, thats just how it works in my head.

God is love; Love is not God. Dwell on that one for a bit.
Actually Santana28 the body of your love-theory is quite eloquent.

I've been told by my SO, and others, that, "You don't love me because…", of this reason or that reason. My reply has always been that you'll know for sure if I didn't love you because you would be of no consequence to me. I always told them that they don't want to be "not loved" by me – they couldn't take it. Emotional love is feelings that ebb and flow – I don't trust them as a way to live my life. And physical love is just satisfaction of an urge – part of my animal instinct.

[Santana28]

Actually Santana28 the body of your love-theory is quite eloquent.

I've been told by my SO, and others, that, "You don't love me because…", of this reason or that reason. My reply has always been that you'll know for sure if I didn't love you because you would be of no consequence to me. I always told them that they don't want to be "not loved" by me – they couldn't take it. Emotional love is feelings that ebb and flow – I don't trust them as a way to live my life. And physical love is just satisfaction of an urge – part of my animal instinct.

Thank you, i appreciate the feedback.

The difficulty is living it out. You wouldn't think living and loving people to be a difficult thing to do - but most people live according to the preconceived notions in their heads, and some of the things i have done can appear to be quite contradictory by outside appearance... it all makes perfect sense to me... but most people dont get it. I do have a couple of people in my life who DO understand though, and our relationships are really quite beautiful and precious to me. I couldnt possibly begin to explain them to anyone other than an INTJ.