Which function/attitude do you cherrish most?

[Ijz]

Assuming your an INTJ, which letter in INTJ do you cherish most?

When put in other words, would you mind giving up I to become more an E? Looking at all the letters, which letter are you least likely to give up on?

[Rohsiph]

I'm curious about why it seems the majority on this board tend to ignore the deeper classification of what the sixteen profiles actually entail--

the four letters individually are not functions. I'll accept that they represent potential attitudes.

But the functions are: Ni, Ne, Si, Se, Ti, Te, Fi, Fe.

[Paul V]

I'd never give up N. The rest are expendable, but if you take away my intuition, my imagination, my sixth-sense... well, you might as well take away my whole life.

Regarding the above poster, this is the order in which I classify my functions, according to preference:

Ni. Ne. Ti. Te. Fi. Si. Se. Fe.

[AresX9]

T, by far. I can't imagine living without having a sense of logical progression and having order to the day. Small talk absolutely annoys me, which is the main reason why I usually am regarded as quiet, most of the conversations are about high school drama. Waste of time.

[Ijz]

I'm curious about why it seems the majority on this board tend to ignore the deeper classification of what the sixteen profiles actually entail--

the four letters individually are not functions. I'll accept that they represent potential attitudes.

But the functions are: Ni, Ne, Si, Se, Ti, Te, Fi, Fe.

Yes you are definitely right, those are the functions. However it was still my intention to ask the question the way I did, although the term function was maybe not the best choice. What term should I have used?

Perhaps I should put it differently.Would you rather give up Thinking to become more Feeling or give up iNtuition (and individuality?) to become more Sensing (traditional?) ?

My guess is that most people will vote N because its their primary function and their individuality and sense of uniqueness is holy ground for them. On the other hand, people that are closer to an INTP might vote T iinstead. But I'm really just curious about this.

[AresX9]

Yes you are definitely right, those are the functions. However it was still my intention to ask the question the way I did, although the term function was maybe not the best choice. What term should I have used?

Perhaps I should put it differently.Would you rather give up Thinking to become more Feeling or give up iNtuition (and individuality?) to become more Sensing (traditional?) ?

My guess is that most people will vote N because its their primary function and their individuality and sense of uniqueness is holy ground for them. On the other hand, people that are closer to an INTP might vote T iinstead. But I'm really just curious about this.

Yeah, ideally I would be a very strong J, but the way I act is very P. However, that changes relative to my environment. If I'm at home, I've noticed that I'm an INTP. Everywhere else, INTJ with no doubts.

[qwerty]

intuition for sure. What good is thinking if you can't see where you're going?

[Solaris]

I won't vote, but my T definitely. ESTJ and ENTJ are very similar, so I could handle that, but I could NOT tolerate myself as an F. I keep some Fs around me for balance, but I am not cut out to be one.

[Rohsiph]

Yes you are definitely right, those are the functions. However it was still my intention to ask the question the way I did, although the term function was maybe not the best choice. What term should I have used?

I think "attitude" fits a lot better, although still carries a little of the baggage I was driving at. Since it's a simplification you seem to be after, perhaps you could have asked "which Letter is your favorite?"--I think this would have been fairly easy to make sense of.

Perhaps I should put it differently.Would you rather give up Thinking to become more Feeling or give up iNtuition (and individuality?) to become more Sensing (traditional?) ?

My guess is that most people will vote N because its their primary function and their individuality and sense of uniqueness is holy ground for them. On the other hand, people that are closer to an INTP might vote T iinstead. But I'm really just curious about this.

Right . . . in these terms, you guess correct that I most value N. I'm trying to achieve a better balance of T and F in my life right now . . . and don't really have any attraction to S.

In the midst of my researching MBTI, I hit a snag when thinking back toward my childhood just before discovering the eight function descriptions / preferences for them based on type. Following the simplification, or otherwise interpreting the system in a way in which one can freely jump between the types (some will comment that they were "more INTP" at one time, or wish to become "more ENFJ" in the future), I've come to believe that I'm not very far off from INFJ--if only I valued people more, and had difficulty presenting my thoughts in public.

I'm still curious as to why so many on this board follow the simplifications . . . it would surprise me if it is actually the case that the INTJs here are aware of the deeper definitions, yet prefer the less-specific relativistic approach.

[Nomad]

Not giving up the intuition. Actually, I like myself, I feel I have a healthy sense of self worth. If I HAD to switch something, I'd probably trade judgment for perception, introversion for extroversion. But I really don't want to switch. If offered, I would refuse.

-Nomad

[Tarrick]

I couldn't live without either N or T, but I love my N a teeny bit more. Maybe because it's my primary aspect, or something like that. But the capacity to extrapolate things from what I take in is amazingly valuable to me.

[INTJoe]

I voted "N". It is clearly either N, or T, though. As I wouldn't mind being either Extroverted, or Perceiving.

But being a Sensor would blow. A feeler would suck, too, but at least you'd be popular. lol.

[Rei]

I had to say J

I could do without N... because I'm borderline anyway.
T is something I love... but I must say I can't stand not having my J.
The inefficiency of P's scare the crap out of me... I'll never ever get anything I want to do done if I were a P.

[BlackHawk]

iNtuition, definitely. An intuitive person can always develop his/her other sides, but it is entirely impossible for any person to develop iNtuition. iNtuition either comes naturally or it doesn't, making it far more valuable to me than any other trait.

[niffer]

:) I'm not an INTJ but I want to participate anyway.

I would be least willing to give up my E or P, equally. These two letters are what most make up the very essence of my mind (me, really).

[TruorTupnm]

From most cherished to, "It is still inferior, but I'd give it a day before going back to sensibility." N, T, I, J.

Intuition is the best, easily. Making all kinds of sense. Thinking versus Feeling? You crazy. Why would you switch those out and find yourself in some haze of irrationality? Sounds creepy. I guess that it might be more confortable to be extroverted, but I figure that I would merely become more obnoxious. I see no use for obnoxiousness. The Judging is great, but so is flexibility. I am quite annoyed by those who are too flexible, though. I. N. T. J. is the best. *thrusts nose into the air*

[stasis]

Ti. But I really enjoy your judging orientation. Your ability to actually get stuff done is bewildering to me. It's like seeing some sort of mythical creature in action.

[Ijz]

I'm still curious as to why so many on this board follow the simplifications . . . it would surprise me if it is actually the case that the INTJs here are aware of the deeper definitions, yet prefer the less-specific relativistic approach.

Well considering that there are quite a few INTJ/INTP borderlines on this forum, the 8 function approach creates sort of a dilemma. Another member accurately pointed out that INTJ's and INTP's share no identical functions (INTJ = Ni, Te, Fi, Se and INTP = Ti, Ne, Si, Fe). How this relates to being a borderline INTJ/INTP is not very clear to me.

[Rohsiph]

Well considering that there are quite a few INTJ/INTP borderlines on this forum, the 8 function approach creates sort of a dilemma. Another member accurately pointed out that INTJ's and INTP's share no identical functions (INTJ = Ni, Te, Fi, Se and INTP = Ti, Ne, Si, Fe). How this relates to being a borderline INTJ/INTP is not very clear to me.

Right, this is a dilemma. But I think there's a solution in encouraging anyone with an "equal distribution" to learn about all of the functions: the actual function preferences are supposed to be natural characteristics, things that are extremely hard to change. Thus, identifying how one functions most comfortably would solve the borderline problem.

Perhaps it's harder to decide Ni, Te vs Ti, Ne . . . but for myself, definitions of Ni matched very closely to the definitions I used before discovering MBTI to explain how my inner mind worked, and the definition of Te defines, very clearly, the way I proceed finishing almost all of my academic assignments (particularly, my strategy for writing papers--it's a very organized process).

Generally, I've found many board members who couldn't decide between INTP and INTJ (prior to the formation of INTJforum) to actually be ISTP (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.). Less often INTP. Almost never actually INTJ--the INTJ is bothered by leaving things open for too long, honing in and specifying should be more common.

Exceptions abound, of course, but not very many in my observations.

[Ijz]

Right, this is a dilemma. But I think there's a solution in encouraging anyone with an "equal distribution" to learn about all of the functions: the actual function preferences are supposed to be natural characteristics, things that are extremely hard to change. Thus, identifying how one functions most comfortably would solve the borderline problem.

Perhaps it's harder to decide Ni, Te vs Ti, Ne . . . but for myself, definitions of Ni matched very closely to the definitions I used before discovering MBTI to explain how my inner mind worked, and the definition of Te defines, very clearly, the way I proceed finishing almost all of my academic assignments (particularly, my strategy for writing papers--it's a very organized process).

Generally, I've found many board members who couldn't decide between INTP and INTJ (prior to the formation of INTJforum) to actually be ISTP (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.). Less often INTP. Almost never actually INTJ--the INTJ is bothered by leaving things open for too long, honing in and specifying should be more common.

Exceptions abound, of course, but not very many in my observations.

Yes, the ISTP phenomenon is familiar to me. In fact I have typed ISTP in the past so perhaps I and others are. But still, why doesn't the test show up ISTP instead of INTJ or INTP? Is the test inherently flawed? I do know that in the past I felt I could never be myself and often adjusted myself to others instead. This is no longer the case and I'm more myself than I have ever been and feel completely comfortable now. Could this be the result of a weaker N function?

[The Rose]

Assuming your an INTJ, which letter in INTJ do you cherish most?

When put in other words, would you mind giving up I to become more an E? Looking at all the letters, which letter are you least likely to give up on?That's an interesting question.
I had the hardest time loosening up on "J". I LOVE for things to be black & white. I HATE gray areas! :cheesy: But being married to a "P" husband, I have had to learn to relax a little, and besides, LIFE isn't as black & white as I would like it. :irked:

I don't mind being more E.
I can always use a little more F.
And if I had more "S" I would get a lot less grief from my husband and my mother.:embarassed:

[rwyatt365]

By Rohsiph's point I'd be probably most adverse to giving up the Ni aspect of INTJ. Losing those "Eureka" moments of insight would be the thing I'd miss most.

To Ijz, I've tested ISTP on more than one occasion; which kinda horrified me! The possibility of a secondary Se (being "in touch with the universe") and inferior Fe (touchy/feely) seems so foreign that I can't imagine a result like that.

[Agogo]

I like my 'N' too. It's a much nicer looking letter than T:irked:

[rwyatt365]

I like my 'N' too. It's a much nicer looking letter than T:irked:
How amazingly perceptive and astute you are! ;)

[Hdier]

I'd never give up N. The rest are expendable, but if you take away my intuition, my imagination, my sixth-sense... well, you might as well take away my whole life.

Regarding the above poster, this is the order in which I classify my functions, according to preference:

Ni. Ne. Ti. Te. Fi. Si. Se. Fe.

The INTJ's functions are actually order like this (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.):

Primary Process:
Leading: Ni
Supporting: Te
Relief: Fi
Aspirational: Se


Shadowed Process:

Opposing: Ne
Critical Parent:Ti
Decieving:Fe
Devilish:Si

[Paul V]

The INTJ's functions are actually order like this (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.):

Primary Process:
Leading: Ni
Supporting: Te
Relief: Fi
Aspirational: Se


Shadowed Process:

Opposing: Ne
Critical Parent:Ti
Decieving:Fe
Devilish:Si

I know, I was just stating my preference for them (Which one I value the most, and which one I value the least).

[Hypomanic]

I like my Ti the best.

Ne is cool too, I probably give it less credit than I should.
It is like a sixth sense.. but it is not something I can brag to people about, unlike my logic.

[OneBadMother]

I value my INT, and to a lesser extent my P. I can't imagine being stuck without having a flexibility of mind. I like the craftsmen sensibility of S, but other than that I'm not a big fan.

[Emma]

Can't give up intuition, definitely. Without this N side, life would be so boring and, well, devoid of intellectual challenges *gasp*...

[Lensman]

Wow I'm with the majority, in not wanting to give up the N for an S.

[Night]

Wow I'm with the majority, in not wanting to give up the N for an S.

I agree.

My N component is easily my most valuable; the N seems to function as the cognitive soup that gives rise to all of my cherished secondary traits.

[Paul V]

I agree.

My N component is easily my most valuable; the N seems to function as the cognitive soup that gives rise to all of my cherished secondary traits.

I find this odd coming from an ESFJ.

[INTJgal]

I find this odd coming from an ESFJ.

it's sort of annoying, night. you're going to have to explain your "i'm an intj who wants to rid all associations of the type with my thoughts, so i label myself the type everyone loves to hate" all the time!

but i suppose that's your call:thumbsup:

[snoogit]

I don't know if I'd want to change anything really. I love who I am, and although it hasn't won me a lot of friends, the friends I do have are more loyal then many.

[The Rose]

I find this odd coming from an ESFJ.Yeah he's not an ESFJ. From the other posts I've read, I think he's an INTJ. Not only that but he's registered as an INTJ on ***********.

I know people have reasons for putting down their wrong type, but I'm still learning this stuff and it throws me off to read somebody's posts and think those thoughts are coming from a certain type when they're not.

I would prefer a person not put any type down than to put down the wrong type and cause confusion like that.

[Paul V]

Yeah he's not an ESFJ. From the other posts I've read, I think he's an INTJ. Not only that but he's registered as an INTJ on ***********.

I know people have reasons for putting down their wrong type, but I'm still learning this stuff and it throws me off to read somebody's posts and think those thoughts are coming from a certain type when they're not.

I would prefer a person not put any type down than to put down the wrong type and cause confusion like that.

I have to agree. What's the point of a disguise, if you're not going to act "in-character"?

[The Rose]

...What's the point of a disguise, if you're not going to act "in-character"?Exactly.

[GOD]

I'd keep my T, and lose the N.

Life might be simpler without the N. I think it would be easier and less complex. I could imagine just doing a daily grind job and being happy with achieving the average.

An ESTJ sounds appealing.... us INTJs are our own worst competitor.

[Alpha Prime]

I would not change anything.

[Hdier]

I would not change anything.

That's nice, but not really the point of the thread (I think). Whenever I ask someone a multiple choice question and they come back with none of the above (assuming that none of the above wasn't one of the options), I give them this situation:

Someone has a knife to your throat, and it's impossible to escape. If you don't tell them which you'd keep, you'd die a horribly painful death.

So, you could choose to die a horribly painful death, but I doubt you would in reality.

P.S. I'm not trying to pick on specifically you, Alpha Prime, you just happened to be on my screen at the time (unlucky):)

[Oversphere]

In my view, I or E, T or F, J or P, are all value-neutral. I can see the inherent value, or complimentary advantages and disadvantages, of each. If I woke up one day and found that one of those functions had changed, I don't think I would be greatly distressed. N vs. S is another story, though. This may be a bit overstated, but it seems to me that sensing types are missing something fundamental to MY sense of what makes ME human. If I suddenly lost interest in attempting to form an understanding of the world around me(ie: started accepting things at face value), I might just eat a bullet. Then again, maybe such a change would simplify things, and I'd go on my merry way.

[The Rose]

In my view, I or E, T or F, J or P, are all value-neutral. I can see the inherent value, or complimentary advantages and disadvantages, of each. If I woke up one day and found that one of those functions had changed, I don't think I would be greatly distressed. N vs. S is another story, though. This may be a bit overstated, but it seems to me that sensing types are missing something fundamental to MY sense of what makes ME human. If I suddenly lost interest in attempting to form an understanding of the world around me(ie: started accepting things at face value), I might just eat a bullet. Then again, maybe such a change would simplify things, and I'd go on my merry way.
Yeah.
It might just be a relief.

[Hdier]

In my view, I or E, T or F, J or P, are all value-neutral. I can see the inherent value, or complimentary advantages and disadvantages, of each. If I woke up one day and found that one of those functions had changed, I don't think I would be greatly distressed. N vs. S is another story, though. This may be a bit overstated, but it seems to me that sensing types are missing something fundamental to MY sense of what makes ME human. If I suddenly lost interest in attempting to form an understanding of the world around me(ie: started accepting things at face value), I might just eat a bullet. Then again, maybe such a change would simplify things, and I'd go on my merry way.

Yeah.
It might just be a relief.

Maybe for the new, Sense-y me, but I would never be happy with anything being simple with the way I am now. :shudder: