About trust.

[moon]

Lately, i keep thinking about amount of trust we put in others.
I'll show few examples to better understand what trust means in this case.
There are more examples about this kind of trust, but i illustrated those three.

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Did anyone think about this?
Is this kind of trust good or bad for us?
I would like to someone convince me that i have nothing to worry about and that's perfectly normal, but my INTJ tells me that i can't cross the street or buy a food in a package without doubt.
Also, it's absurd that i never cross the street again or raise wheat to make my own bread to eat. Damn!

[radames]

Maybe they know that they can sue the person if they do try to run them over? I don't know, it would appear that this kind of trust is rather presumptuous. Then again, many people I think, understand that there are consequences to things and would rather not be the person having to go through the consequences of violating that trust.

[Monte314]

We need this kind of trust to function around other people. Life would be impossible without it.

[Released]

I think we put our trust in probabilities.

Regulations make it likely that the tuna is safe. There's little logical reason to suggest that a car stopped at a red light (already obeying the law) will decide to accelerate with people in the way, knowing the consequences that such a decision would entail. The pilot flying the plane has been trained and has professional accreditation. There are possibilities that could make our trust incorrect (any individual can choose to defy rules and cause harm), but the likelihood is minor.

Now, let me suggest a few other scenarios where your lack of trust might be warranted:

- You board a plane and overhear that this is the very first flight the pilot will be flying. And it's raining. Hard.

- The sign says "Tuna -- 80% off." But the tuna cans have no labels.

- You cross the street on a green and see a souped (sp?) up sports car racing toward the light at a speed obviously waaaay over the speed limit.

In these cases, trust should be shaken.

[zippikay]

wouldn't this thing is applied also to game theory? people would act in their own best interest...

we trust the pilot of our airplane, but we would also assume that it would be in his/her best interest not to drop airplane... of course we wouldn't go to any airline if we know that the pilot is suicidal

[Reon]

I don't think its 'trust' in the way you would trust a friend. I think you just know that, in the current situation you are in, it would inconvenience both parties if the negative action had occurred (the one that would cause harm) Would we really be able to do anything in life if we didn't 'trust' drivers to wait for the light to change?

[Plum21]

I trust one thing. and if all other things are not trustworthy, it's ok. I have all that I need by trusting. then i understand nothing else matters. death, sickness, injury...none of it.

*can't say what I trust on this page because it's not in the philosophy/ethics thread.

[punkyplatypus]

I also trust the sun will be still lit tomorrow, but I have no proof of this certainty. The thing is these things are out of my control. And it's scary not being in control. However, I'd say it's part of maturity accepting how things are and keeping an eye open while making basic assumptions to live out a "normal" and safe life. It's alright to trust pilots, but you may want to check the airlines records before you choose to fly with them. It's alright to cross the street, but that doesn't mean take your time and ignore the drivers sitting at the light. Eat tuna, but check for expiration dates and trust your senses if things don't seem right.

[dragonsscout]

I have thought about this, it's necessary for humans to function with each other effectively, create teams, etc. However, it helps me when I think about it from the other person's point of view. There's no reason for the pilot or car drivers to kill people. It would end up harming them as well. The tuna one, I just have to put my trust in the reputation of certain companies, government regulatory agencies, etc. It's between that and not having tuna (which I rarely do anyways, but whatever).

[Fanowene]

We need this kind of trust to function around other people. Life would be impossible without it.
Exactly.

Trust also has to do with experience. Have your past experiences taught you that <something or other> is trustworthy? Yes: Trust it but be cautious nonetheless. No: Be skeptical but still try to stay open-minded.

I normally am pretty trusting of everything unless I've had a negative experience with the matter/person or with something related to it/him/her. If a person has let me down it might take a long time go regain my trust, depending on the circumstances.

[volk]

I never trust drivers.. ever..

I agree with the general idea of trust presented above. What my level of trust towards things and people really boils down to is basically my previous experience with the subjects. I'll give a simple example:

You bought a new bike. You know how to ride and feel secure. Now on a rainy day you squeeze your front brake a bit too tight and go into a front wheel slide. Chills run down your spine and you feel terrified about being so close to an accident. Next time you ride your bike on a rainy day you will definitelly take into consideration the high probability of tire slides.

[radames]

Another outlook on this trust thing, should ring a different bell. What is the effect of trust that brings people to crave or need it? Is it comfort? Freedom from pain? I mean, you don't tell the serial killer, I trust you have added a few more victims to your list? Or a police officer, I trust you won't be giving me a breathalizer. Why does such a word need utterance? Ah, perhaps in the shadow of its opposite? So, when people say trust they mean, "I won't experience anything negative."

Something to ponder eh?

[moon]

So, you can't be independent or simply torned away from this system. I agree that trust veils our social structure, but i still think that's not good for me as individual. I feel mental fatique processing possibilities how to dodge "traps of trust". I don't want to be a collateral victim if i'm already aware. When i better think, people tend to have good intentions, but you may start to suspect when you perceive bad examples of human acts. This is about awareness and your adaptation, because concrete solution doesn't exist or it's a personal adventure, i guess.

[SeaCzar]

This may be a bit pedantic, but given the examples of the OP, I think I would use the word "responsibility" rather than "trust". The pilot is responsible for his aircraft. Bumble Bee is responsible for what goes into the tuna can. The motorist is responsible for stopping at a red light. Failure to live up to these responsibilities (especially in the United States) will result in a law suit.

To further the point, those who betray trust are screwing others. Those who betray responsibilites are (ultimately) screwing themselves.