INTJ and Jury Service.

[CaptainA]

This thought came to me while reading the death penalty thread.
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Juries are stupid, and misunderstand or cherrypick evidence.
Made me wonder about INTJ's and Jury Service. It would seem, accepting the quote as fact, that we would make a perfect jury.

I have never done jury service, but expect it to get called eventually, just by the law of averages. I don't know how I would deal with it, unless the case was extremely interesting, though that would also involve extended time, which I also would have problems with.

How do/would you deal with jury service? and also thoughts on the concept of a jury completely of INTJ's.

[Moriarty]

A jury is gonna end up probably representing the spectrum of types, so I can see myself ending up on trial for strangling another juror who just doesn't get it.

Composed entirely of INTJs, I'd expect a lengthy but focused deliberation followed by a verdict that is absolutely correct no matter what.

A jury of INTPs would never complete deliberation, and would probably present the judge with a verdict of maybe, maybe not if they did. Note that they wouldn't be a hung jury..they'd all agree to keep their options open.

[Roland Ansgar]

My personal feeling on it all is, if you're on a jury remember the right of a jury to nullify the law.

[Saint]

The only INTJ I know that was picked for jury duty failed the entrance test thing. They asked some question that was something like "would knowing XYZ change your judgement?" and he said "Of course"

So they dismissed him.


After prescreening or whatever, I wonder how many INTJs make it into the jury seats at the end.

[cncracer]

I have been called three times and all three times I have been rejected. Two were DWI cases, and I think I was rejected due to my non drinking status. The other I am not sure why. In truth I am always glad to be cut free. I am not too good at sitting still for days at a time.

[penny lane]

I had to report for jury duty this past Monday for a term that would have lasted a week (It was for driving and petty misdemeanors) however, I got out of it by claiming financial and educational hardships

[Monte314]

I have been called in for jury duty several times. But as soon as I open my mouth, I'm scratched off the list.

[dogwoodlover]

It would seem, accepting the quote as fact, that we would make a perfect jury.

As a kid, I was always baffled when my parents would complain and try and get out of jury duty. I never understood it--I always thought it would be interesting.

I sit on the judicial board at my school, and I actually enjoy it. I get called in and get to listen to cases of students appealing their charges of violating campus policies, and I get to make decisions based on the evidence provided by both sides whether the student is "responsible" or "not responsible." I think I'm the perfect person to do it too.

[michael ingram]

As a kid, I was always baffled when my parents would complain and try and get out of jury duty. I never understood it--I always thought it would be interesting.

I sit on the judicial board at my school, and I actually enjoy it. I get called in and get to listen to cases of students appealing their charges of violating campus policies, and I get to make decisions based on the evidence provided by both sides whether the student is "responsible" or "not responsible." I think I'm the perfect person to do it too.

Do you support redistribution of lunch money?

[Antares]

I have been called in for jury duty several times. But as soon as I open my mouth, I'm scratched off the list.
Next time when you want your opinion to count for something in a court case, pass the prescreening by being more erm... socially acceptable (I assume that's why you were scratched off?). Then vote according to your reasoning.
A jury of INTPs would never complete deliberation, and would probably present the judge with a verdict of maybe, maybe not if they did. Note that they wouldn't be a hung jury..they'd all agree to keep their options open.
What about a jury of NTs?

[gadjitfreek]

Never served, but I would like to. Unless it's a gang murder case in which the gang will go kill the jury members...

[Antares]

Never served, but I would like to. Unless it's a gang murder case in which the gang will go kill the jury members...

I thought votes are anonymous?

[Karamazov]

I've never really been interested. Since people in general let their personal feelings dictate what decision they will reach, instead of reason, jury duty isn't my thing.

Naturally, we all have our personal feelings, but it exists on a spectrum. When it comes to deliberating on a person's fate in Court, reason should always win out. Many people though, wouldn't agree.

[TheLastMohican]

I thought votes are anonymous?

When the vote is unanimous, that doesn't help much.

[punkyplatypus]

I was called to duty once, but was far down the list and never even got to the prescreening part. If I ever got to prescreening I'd try to get out of it. Something about being forced into group to decide the fate of someone else doesn't sound appealing. I don't think I would participate any more than making my choice and letting it be known when asked. I don't need to explain my views nor do I need to lecture others on the law or ethics. I wouldn't ignore any discussion or the court session or be unmoving in my decision if I felt persuaded to change my mind; I just wouldn't participate.

[dogwoodlover]

Do you support redistribution of lunch money?

Yes.

[Purple]

I pretty much see jury service as a great waste of time. I don't think they really go for the intelligent think for themselves type so most of the time you go home with crappy compensation for your time. Jury nullification is a grand idea but they will ask you if you will follow the judges instructions. These instructions generally keep you from nullifying laws that you find unjust. If you tell them you will follow the instructions but don't you may be removed from the jury or in some instances find yourself on trial.

All in all I think I'll continue throwing the summons in the paper shredder :)

[le Duc]

Outside of law school, my impression of the system of jury selection is one of amusement. My father and I have the same first and last name, and once, a couple weeks after he served jury duty, I got a reimbursement check for the time spent. The summons had actually been for me.

The care and concern they put into getting just the right people is outstanding. And it's a bit frightening to think that fate of the trial is in the hands of twelve people that weren't clever enough to figure out how to get out of it...

[Onotheo]

The only INTJ I know that was picked for jury duty failed the entrance test thing. They asked some question that was something like "would knowing XYZ change your judgement?" and he said "Of course"

So they dismissed him.


After prescreening or whatever, I wonder how many INTJs make it into the jury seats at the end.
That's unfortunate, as I believe INTJs would make excellent jury. If it is true to most situations involving INTJ for jury service, then they're missing a lot. I personally would find it interesting to be in one, however I also realize that it is a BIG responsibility. I certainly could see why I would be cut out of the jury selection process.

[dragonsscout]

I just got my first summons for jury duty. I can't go right now since I'm about 450 miles away and will be for the next few months. I don't think I'll be picked since I'm pretty smart and lawyers generally don't like smart juries. The jury concept is a good idea though. Hopefully one rational person will slip through the screening.

[jadefalcon]

I actually look forward to jury duty when it is convinient. I have a strong sense of justice, and I look forward to a challenging case where it is difficult to make a decision. By no means do I feel sympathy for the guilty and I wouldn't feel bad about sending someone to the chair.

[Kathryn]

An all-INTJ jury would be great, but I'm pretty sure the chances of *that* happening are slim to none. I've been through two selection processes and was tossed out. I believe it probably had to do with my work (making fact-based decisions affecting income) and, presumably, my pretentiousness at stringing a coherent sentence together.

jadefalcon, the summons never arrives when it's convenient...

[MrJibbles]

This thought came to me while reading the death penalty thread.
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Made me wonder about INTJ's and Jury Service. It would seem, accepting the quote as fact, that we would make a perfect jury.

I have never done jury service, but expect it to get called eventually, just by the law of averages. I don't know how I would deal with it, unless the case was extremely interesting, though that would also involve extended time, which I also would have problems with.

How do/would you deal with jury service? and also thoughts on the concept of a jury completely of INTJ's.

*attack!!!!*
We'd be fine when there was hard evidence and all that goodness. But if it were a case where there are lots and lots of witness testimonies and it's more based on reading a persons emotions and how they're feeling about something, we fail.

A Jury, in my opinion, should consist of 16 people. Each of a differing personality type so the case is seen from all perspectives and nothing is missed. INFP's would be very useful when working with INTJ's on a jury. If you think of the INFP as a set of eyes while the INTJ is a rational mind. But the INFP would also function as an ethical and emotion moderator for the times when the INTJ's are too cold with their reasoning. INTJ's and INFJ's would also make a great team for a case, especially if there was an INFP and an ENFP thrown in the mix. If all were in cooperation there wouldn't be much that was overlooked. But you're also going to want something like an ESTJ to tell you what's right there staring you at the face. Someone who'll point out obvious facts that you're kinda wondering why you didn't notice.

Blah....I could go on and on about his, I have something written down somewhere in my list of things to do after I take over the world that involves all the personality types working together to come up with the best solution possible.